11-20-2003, 02:53 AM | #81 (permalink) | |
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He was Michael Jackson of the Jackson 5. He started with the jackson 5 when he was like 6 years old. He never had any friends when he was a kid. He didn't live a normal childhood like most people do. He did live a messed up weird twisted childhood. He was also the most known and loved member of the jackson 5. All he wants now is to be a child again, thus the reason why he created neverland. He wasn't allowed to have a childhood, and when he was able to and not in control of his father, who could he trust? Who was he able to be friends with? He had millions of dollars, only thought of music, lived in a house that is probably bigger than anyones houses on this board, and lived with a garaff, tiger and a monkey as his best friends. This was at 16, so obviously you could tell that he felt that he missed out on something at that age, and he's probably been feeling that way ever since. I'm just saying that this is maybe why he's weird now, but in no way does this defend him for his actioins of he did some sick twisted shit though. Also, i'm just wondering where you got this '30 years of adult action' and where it comes from? To my knowledge, and from what i remember, the media and people in society started picking on MJ right when he started changing his image. Before that he was looked upon as a person who was loving, giving and full hearted. Every person who knows him sees this side of him, and tells people this, but no one listens. I guess what i am asking is, what deviant behaviour patterns? And what actions has he had to be accountable for? All he has done is take some kids under his wing. At first it was viewed as a nice guy who is known and loved worldwide helping out some kids in need. Once he started changing what he looked like, it was 'now he's a sick guy who molests people'. Other than that, what actions? All he ever wanted was to help people!!! I just don't understand what actions he needs to be accountable for, and how you would know about these other actions and why you think that he wasn't punnished for anything that he did 'wrong'. I do agree that jackson has some severe identity issuses. I think society just needs to put something on jackson to explain why he's so weird. People would me more at ease with why he's so weird if he is convicted of this. So many things have blinded our eyes from who michael jackson is, and it's all because of the media and plastic surgery. I suggest that everyone go back and watch some videos, and some interviews and things like that about/with michael jackson before all of this bullshit and come back and tell us what you think. Listen to his songs and come back and tell us what you think. The media is playing a huge role on a lot of things here. Also, JoenOcoee, you are right. The only dipshits that would allow their kids to be alone with jackson are people who view him as family. However, if he is convicted and actually guilty, i agree, those parents probably have some problems. I honestly think it's just the fact that they view him as family. If he were as sick as the media is saying, all these other kids whom he 'molested' would come forward and say something. Why does someone come forward only every 10 years? Last edited by taog; 11-20-2003 at 03:37 AM.. |
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11-20-2003, 03:21 AM | #82 (permalink) |
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I really don't know what to think. The man is obviously completely nuts, of course that doesn't make him a paedophile... I can't say I've ever been a fan, but it's been sad to see MJ deteriorate to such a state. If he really has committed sex crimes then I hope he's punished (8 years seems far too lenient for child sexual abuse), but perhaps he hasn't, people will do anything for money so I wouldn't be surprised if it were those that were making the complaint who were guilty, time will tell I suppose...
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11-20-2003, 06:50 AM | #83 (permalink) |
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I never had any respect for Michael Jackson. The fool fucked himself up, as far as I'm concerned. "King of Pop" my ass.
He should get a fair trial, and he should go to jail if convicted.
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11-20-2003, 07:33 AM | #84 (permalink) |
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I'm waiting to hear what the result is.
Jackson is, in my mind, a very strange and damaged human being. I have reason to at least strongly suspect that he has interfered sexually with children before. If he is found guilty in this case, I hope he goes to jail for a very long time. Sadly, he's rich, and therefore will get the best justice money can buy. I'm not going to say he did it or he didn't, because I don't know, but I'm glad this case is being taken seriously.
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11-20-2003, 08:30 AM | #86 (permalink) |
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If he was a NAMBLA member would it make it alright???
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11-20-2003, 08:49 AM | #87 (permalink) | |
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Have you ever heard about or seen any of the other Jacksons (ie Latoya or Tito)? Haven't you noticed the many complete personality transformations Janet Jackson has gone through? Don't you think there's a reason that, as adults, the Jacksons have never managed to stay together as a group through an entire album recording and its following tour? I guess that my last question sums up the previous ones: what hole do you live in? |
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11-20-2003, 09:41 AM | #88 (permalink) |
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A few thoughts on this situation. I feel saddened that it is happening to someone I used to have a lot of respect for. I mean, I used to like quite a few of his songs and music videos. I think a majority of you who have posted have liked a song or two of his.
I think a lot of you are also condemning him before he is proven guilty. This reminds me a little of people who are racist, homophobic, etc....they immediately disassociate themselves with things they are scared of or things they don't understand. A lot of you are scared of the fact that he is odd and lives a very ecclectic lifestyle. You condemn him regardless if he is guilty or innocent. Michael never had a "real" childhood. From the start, his life has always been manipulated by someone else. Can you really blame him for being child like now? He is living out what he never had the opportunity to do when he was a child. So, when he says he has kids over for sleep overs, I "want" to think that it is purely innocent and he is just living out his childhood fantasies because he never had the opportunity to do so before. On the other hand, if he truly did do something to those kids and the accusations are not some way to extort millions from him again, then he should suffer the ultimate consequences for his actions. In short, I could go both ways on this argument. Either way, I am saddened by it.
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11-20-2003, 11:25 AM | #90 (permalink) |
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Has he turned himself in yet? Or is he getting plastic surgery done on his asshole to make entry easier?
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11-21-2003, 01:46 AM | #93 (permalink) |
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mm. self, I tend to go with this: http://www.msnbc.com/news/995303.asp
as opinion.
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11-21-2003, 05:01 AM | #94 (permalink) |
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I don't believe he's guilty. He's damned weird but I don't believe he could/would do what they say he did. He's supposedly this big germaphobe and yet he'll masturbate a kid?
He's been accused twice. He's forty something years old, and has been hanging out with kids for the last 30 years, why are there no other accusations? Quite the opposite happened around the first case with other kids coming out and saying nothing inappropriate ever happened. I have doubts about the first case because the parents and the "victim" settled. I agree with others who said they would want to see the bastard that did that to my child punished beyond just monetarily. I mean, how could I go on without giving my kid some legal closure to it? Yeah, I know some will say they didn't want to put their kid through a trial, but rather you'll put them through the rest of their life without having fought back against the abuser? The prosecutor in the case is the same guy from the first trial. He's supposedly known for holding grudges. The raid was timed to coincide with Jackson's latest album release. Accident? I say probably not (especially since MJ allegedly wrote a song about the DA on the HIStory album). I think MJ will be vindicated and this case will be shown to be a fraud.
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11-21-2003, 06:24 AM | #95 (permalink) |
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Well, settlement isn't even an option this time. He will be facing criminal charges, not civil. What happened last time is that he was facing civil charges and got a settlement with the victim's family. The law did not allow the state to prosecute without the victim's (now lacking) cooperation. They have since changed that law, and can press charges with or without the victim's cooperation. Anyway, I don't think you can settle with the government in a criminal case, just plea bargain.
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11-21-2003, 06:32 AM | #96 (permalink) | |
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It is possible that MJ can pull off a similar pay off. The prosecution would have a more difficult time with the case if the victim is uncooperative or unavailable for testimony. I don't believe he will do this since he got crucified over the last payoff. This is gonna be a battle, I think.
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11-21-2003, 06:34 AM | #97 (permalink) |
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After the first accusations Jackson should have learned better. Sure, have kids around you. But never ever be alone with them. Why put yourself in the situation to be accused again? Guilty or not, he should have learned his lesson the first time.
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11-21-2003, 06:41 AM | #98 (permalink) | |
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11-21-2003, 09:06 AM | #99 (permalink) |
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I don't think at this point it really matters - his money is what has kept him out of trouble and this will probably end all of his sources of income. He supposedly owns a lot of music rights that are worth in the neighborhood of $ 250 mil (nice neighborhood) and these are already in hock for about their net value - His music no longer sells enough to even cover the costs of the videos he makes so lets hope this finishes him off - then lock his ass up and let the big dudes deal with him.
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11-21-2003, 09:12 AM | #100 (permalink) |
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Law & Order, Guilty or Innocent, aside, I wish the guy would've gotten some help along time ago. I think he's sheltered himself from his demons for too long. With enough therapy he may have avoided this mess altogether. This is one of those cases that makes me sick for all involved. If he's innocent poor Michael and poor kid, if he's guilty poor kid. Same with Kobe. If he's innocent poor Kobe, if he's guilty poor woman-who-filed-charges.
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11-21-2003, 09:13 AM | #101 (permalink) |
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I think he is quite obviously mentally ill. If nothing else, the "man" needs counseling. If he's guilty, I hope he doesn't get O.J.'d and instead pays for his actions. I can only imagine that the prosecutors really made sure to dot their i's and cross their t's this time around - the old "fool me once..." saying applies I'm sure.
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11-21-2003, 10:53 AM | #103 (permalink) | |
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11-21-2003, 12:36 PM | #104 (permalink) |
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maybe it does... but who are we to convict someone... especially when the story hasn't even been heard?
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11-21-2003, 01:25 PM | #105 (permalink) |
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Um, that's what the jury system is based on, us convicting/freeing someone.
Seriously though, the Smoking Gun has some info on the parents of this kid. Maybe Jacko's innocent after all? Edited: Good job Dano, you moron. You forgot to post the link. Sorry, here it is. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mjaccuser1.html
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11-21-2003, 01:42 PM | #107 (permalink) | |
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11-23-2003, 03:59 PM | #108 (permalink) |
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I am waiting to hear what the "rubba rubba" game is that he supposedly played with boys.
And while an occasion might occur where a 13 year old would sleep with a man who was not his father or brother, to make a practice of it seems very suspect.
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11-24-2003, 02:47 AM | #112 (permalink) | |
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Go to therapy. Talk this out. Exorcise your personal "demons" and get on with your life. But act like an adult, for Pete's sake! Okay, I realize that 45 is about the time when a lot of men have their mid-life crisis, but since Michael's been doing this for pretty much his entire adult life, I don't think it qualifies as "crisis"-type material. I agree with Art....just as the Catholic Church is dealing with its mess - rather publicly, I'm glad to say - the law's focus is moving on to Michael Jackson. In both cases, loads of money have been thrown about, but now that it's gone to criminal proceedings there cannot be a settlement in either case that doesn't involve some sort of jail time. Good! I'm sure Michael will make someone a lovely wife in the "big house".... Oh, and just so you know: the reason he's so afraid of the sun is simple - he can melt, you know! That much plastic surgery on anyone is just inviting disaster..... Last edited by wry1; 11-24-2003 at 02:50 AM.. |
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11-24-2003, 08:14 AM | #113 (permalink) |
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I find this whole public lynching even sicker than the thought of him being guilty of what they accuse him of having done.
A replay of what happened a decade ago. He paid to make the trial go away, and quite frankly, I would have too. When bullshit like this gets started, common sense and facts go out the door. Few people on this board have any facts regarding this case, all of it is based on what you read in the papers or watch on FOX. Sorry, but to me that is not enough evidence to get a public lynching and bashing any support from me. Even if he were a pedophile, he's a far cry from being the only one. I'd say that few pedophiles out there get as much media attention as this alleged one. He's a pop icon, he's rich, he's socially awkward. So naturally he MUST be guilty of at least SOMETHING. He's innocent as far as I am concerned unless he gets convicted. The fact that he paid to make the trial go away 10 years ago proves nothing to me, one way or another. The kid whose parents took him to court ten years ago said at the time that MJ never did anything to him. Besides, if my child was sexually abused, I wouldn't accept a plea bargain. That's like setting a price tag on your child's innocence and emotional security. It doesn't matter what you end up using that money for. It's immoral to accept a cash settlement under such circumstances. But that's just me. The public needs someone to vent on. The media needs someone to make money off of. This month is MJ, next someone else. Who gives a fuck.
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11-24-2003, 11:07 AM | #115 (permalink) | |
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Of course, I am of the opinion that he will be vindicated and I think the last thing he will do after the public relations fiasco of the last time is settle. I just wanted to point out that there are ways around the new law and that it isn't as broad in scope as the prosecutor and the media make it out to be.
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11-24-2003, 01:12 PM | #116 (permalink) |
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From MS-NBC
“I am told that this whole thing started when the boy went to a therapist and started talking to the therapist,” says Levin. “And certain things were said that alarmed the therapist. Under California law, he has a duty to contact authorities if the therapist either believes or has reason to believe that there’s child abuse. And that’s what the therapist felt.” I don't know about MJ in all of this, but I do know that I do NOT trust anything that comes from the couch of a therapist. And before anyone rushes to defend therapy...no I have never been, no this is not based on anything more than a gut feeling, yes I am glad that therapy works for some folks, etc. etc. Mainly I guess I'm too afraid of false memory to trust therapy. Especially on a young child who has apperently been previously abused by his father. |
11-24-2003, 01:28 PM | #117 (permalink) | |
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Apparently the accuser is the boy who was in the documentary. I'd post a link but I don't know what the protocal is on that here.
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I saw the documentary with this boy, and it was CREEPY. I'm not sure why it was revealed that this is the accuser. It could be totally false, ala the Kobe Bryant leak.
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11-24-2003, 02:47 PM | #118 (permalink) | |
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11-24-2003, 03:16 PM | #119 (permalink) |
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Yes, and I say they're idiots. You can only do so much with editing. Jackson said the things he said, there is no doubt about that. You can't edit words into people's mouths.
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