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slimcr · 11-02-2003, 05:31 PM

Im sure 100% of you have had fast food to eat, possibly around 75% if not more consume fast food regulary and perhaps some dont eat anything but fast food.... If you even care a little about your health, you should go out and buy this book, it will err, change the way you look at the crap you re currently eating.

I know many of you will not have the will to do so but those that do will benefit from reading it.

The name of the book is called "Fast Food Nation, The Dark Side of the All American Meal", written by Eric Schlosser. The book is only 285 pages long and is throroughly enjoyable. I know most here are couch potatoes who couldnt give a **** if they dropped dead tomorrow but those that are a little interested in your health, youll love this book.

Perhaps some of this quotes will persuade to get it...

"God strike me dead before I consume another fast food product...Fast Food Nation is the kind of book that you hope young people read because it demonstrates far better than any social studies class the need of government regulation, the unchecked power of multinational corporations, and the importance of our everyday decisions"

"Overall this disturbing page turner will almost certainly curb your appetite"

"Fast Food Nation...Enough to make a vegetarian out of Arnold Schwarzenegger"

"Sit down for half an hour with Eric Schlossers treatise, Fast Food Nation, and you will experience the best diet plan ever devised"

if you care a bit about your own health and are concerned you too may consume too much fast food, I think you should take the time to read this.

If someone does buy the book and somehow manage to read it, Id love to hear feedback.

Slim

YourNeverThere · 11-02-2003, 06:47 PM

book sounds good, but suggesting that most people here eat fast food most of the time is kind of odd, also, is it really really necessary to type **** instead of 'fuck'? I mean were all 18+ here, if you are offended by it, then why use it in a sentance? and if you aren't offended by it, then why the astrics? Something I will never understand about people.

Jam · 11-02-2003, 06:54 PM

he didnt say most of us eat it regulary he said most of us have eaten it and some eat it regularly

billege · 11-02-2003, 07:01 PM

Is this just an ad for the book? Did the book teach you something you might want to share with us?

Does this belong in the Health and Fitness Forum? Or, maybe the Literature Forum, where people go to discuss books.

You are a rookie, so I just noticed, so I mean to help.

Instead of just posting what you did, which provides me with no useful information, except you liked the book, please post something from the book we can discuss.

Maybe you could tell us why fast food is so yucky. Then you could ask why we are dumb enough to eat that crap, etc.

rainheart · 11-02-2003, 07:59 PM

Uhhh it doesn't take a genius to figure out that fast food is bad for you...

Gun · 11-02-2003, 08:06 PM

Sometimes you have to sacrifice nutrition for convenience.

McDonald's was never intended to be a dietary supplement.

bermuDa · 11-02-2003, 08:41 PM

I've been meaning to get this book.

This isn't about the health concerns of fast food so much as the disgusting things they put in it.

Plan9Senior · 11-02-2003, 09:29 PM

The closest thing to fast food that I will eat would be pizza, and even then... that is only once a month. Fast food makes me feel like crap.

anti fishstick · 11-02-2003, 10:25 PM

yeah i should read this. it always catches my eyes at powell's book store. i work for fast food too :-D

Chingal0 · 11-02-2003, 10:56 PM

Haha yea, I've heard stories about this book. Its a biography, of sorts, on the fast food whatever as a whole. Where who gets what food from, what this is fried in, stuff like that. Definetly a good read, I would have read it myself if I didnt have paper mache doughnuts to make....

edit: Review from Amazon.com

Quote:

On any given day, one out of four Americans opts for a quick and cheap meal at a fast-food restaurant, without giving either its speed or its thriftiness a second thought. Fast food is so ubiquitous that it now seems as American, and harmless, as apple pie. But the industry's drive for consolidation, homogenization, and speed has radically transformed America's diet, landscape, economy, and workforce, often in insidiously destructive ways. Eric Schlosser, an award-winning journalist, opens his ambitious and ultimately devastating exposé with an introduction to the iconoclasts and high school dropouts, such as Harlan Sanders and the McDonald brothers, who first applied the principles of a factory assembly line to a commercial kitchen. Quickly, however, he moves behind the counter with the overworked and underpaid teenage workers, onto the factory farms where the potatoes and beef are grown, and into the slaughterhouses run by giant meatpacking corporations. Schlosser wants you to know why those French fries taste so good (with a visit to the world's largest flavor company) and "what really lurks between those sesame-seed buns." Eater beware: forget your concerns about cholesterol, there is--literally--feces in your meat.
Schlosser's investigation reaches its frightening peak in the meatpacking plants as he reveals the almost complete lack of federal oversight of a seemingly lawless industry. His searing portrayal of the industry is disturbingly similar to Upton Sinclair's The Jungle, written in 1906: nightmare working conditions, union busting, and unsanitary practices that introduce E. coli and other pathogens into restaurants, public schools, and homes. Almost as disturbing is his description of how the industry "both feeds and feeds off the young," insinuating itself into all aspects of children's lives, even the pages of their school books, while leaving them prone to obesity and disease. Fortunately, Schlosser offers some eminently practical remedies. "Eating in the United States should no longer be a form of high-risk behavior," he writes. Where to begin? Ask yourself, is the true cost of having it "your way" really worth it? --Lesley Reed --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

From Publishers Weekly
In this fascinating sociocultural report, Schlosser digs into the deeper meaning of Burger King, Auggie's, The Chicken Shack, Jack-in-the-Box, Little Caesar's and myriad other examples of fast food in America. Frequently using McDonald's as a template, Schlosser, an Atlantic Monthly correspondent, explains how the development of fast-food restaurants has led to the standardization of American culture, widespread obesity, urban sprawl and more. In a perky, reportorial voice, Adamson tells of the... read more --This text refers to the Audio Cassette edition.

Book Description
Fast food has hastened the malling of our landscape, widened the chasm between rich and poor, fueled an epidemic of obesity, and propelled American cultural imperialism abroad. That's a lengthy list of charges, but here Eric Schlosser makes them stick with an artful mix of first-rate reportage, wry wit, and careful reasoning.

Schlosser's myth-shattering survey stretches from California's subdivisions where the business was born to the industrial corridor along the New Jersey Turnpike where many fast food's flavors are concocted. Along the way, he unearths a trove of fascinating, unsettling truths -- from the unholy alliance between fast food and Hollywood to the seismic changes the industry has wrought in food production, popular culture, and even real estate. He also uncovers the fast food chains' disturbing efforts to reel in the youngest, most susceptible consumers even while they hone their institutionalized exploitation of teenagers and minorities

Journeyman · 11-02-2003, 11:10 PM

I read it back in the day. I can crisply recall two things from it, the first being that it's mostly about the way fast food companies/franchising interacts with society and the economy (ie turnover rates, low wages, no benefits, etc).

The second being a story about (I *think* it was Jack in the box) a fast food company that had poisoned a few people with... maybe E. Coli, but something specific. There were two facts that could have been extrapolated from the poisonings: The virus that was ingested was only feasibly carried via feces (ie the cows tend to shit around when they're being slaughtered, and some of it makes its way into the meat), and that the product was not being cooked at a high enough temperature to kill the virus.

The solution was to cook it more. What was widely ignored by the company and the media was the other part: "There is shit in the meat."

Sun Tzu · 11-02-2003, 11:14 PM

Yes, do not eat fast food instead save your homeostasis for all that lovely frankenfood your buying unless you shop at a 100% organic food store. My special favorite is pig thats been genetically crossed with spinach; yum!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/1780541.stm

Not attempting to get to far off the topic here, but if anyone reads the article at this link, what is your impression of the last paragraph?

Eldaire · 11-03-2003, 12:13 AM

My philosophy is: "YUMMY!!! ME EAT!!!" I was a wrestler and had to cut weight all the time, so now that I can eat bad and stuff, I'm gonna. I suppose when I get older I may want to start respecting my body or whatever and may regret this, but for now I will enjoy my youthful metabolism .

wario · 11-03-2003, 12:23 AM

Everybody says this book will change the way I feel about fast food, yet when it comes to any examples they can give, it seems rather tame. Sure gross stuff goes on at fast food joints. Also happens at the real restaurants, too. Gross stuff also happens in slaughterhouses. Too many people handle my food before it gets to me. I'll just have to trust them. One guy told me that the meat is tasteless and the flavor comes from bottled chemicals. No big deal there. And if that's so, I want a bottle of this "Whopper in a bottle." I'd make everything taste like a Whopper. I could even eat my vegetables! Hell, they should market this stuff. You can eat healthy with all the taste of fast food.
But yeah, I'm sure I really don't want to know where my food comes from.

billege · 11-03-2003, 01:22 AM

There are things you don't want to know about in all your foods. There are a certain number of insect parts allowed per/(whatever)unit in your cereal. Your broccoli has insect feces in it, dirt, dust, and you don't want to remember what kind of mites live in your pillows.

The world is full of fun stuff we like to pretend isn't there. That's why we have immune systems.

Are this many people that naive? No one should be surprised that their food is not 100% devoid of things they'd rather not know about? C'mon people.

Surprise number 2: Many restaurants serve cleaner food than you do at home.
Very, very few home cooks have been through any of the sanitation, cleanliness, or cross-contamination classes that professional cooks do.

I'd still like to discuss something other than ads for this book. The TFP is not supposed to be an advertising forum for people who can quote book reviews from web sites.
How 'bout some quality here. I want direct lessons from this book that are supposed to be soooooo surprising. I want some shocking new information that will change the way I think about food.
Tell me more than I can learn from the FDA standards.

Loup · 11-03-2003, 04:52 AM

There's already a discussion of Fast Food Nations here.
And just for the record, I thought the book was a little to biased.

castex · 11-03-2003, 05:37 AM

The part about advertising to kids really gets my goat. This really should be stopped, and the insidious presence of McD et al in schools, colleges is really beyond the pale. Someone needs to take these monsters in hand, and I reckon a couple of rounds in a small ring with Naomi Klein would sort any of those non-spinach-spliced corporate pigs.
What do I think about the last paragraph, Sun Tzu? I think all concerned need their heads examining. A 1% survival rate means they clearly don't know what they're doing They should all be rounded up in a non-GM field, and shot. There, I said it.

irseg · 11-03-2003, 08:01 AM

Goddammit is this Fast Food Nation thing some kind of cult? I'm serious. Some people talk about FFN exactly like the Scientologists I knew would always talk about Dianetics.

I have yet to see an example of anything from that book that was at all shocking. I might check out that book for the hell of it but from my understanding it can be summed up as follows: "Animals have to die so we can eat meat and people who flip burgers make shit money so corporations are evil and taking over our lives and going to kill us all!"

Kaos · 11-03-2003, 03:41 PM

People live way too long these days anyways...I say everyone over-indulge, lower the average death age, die earlier and make room for everyone else.

gwr_gwir · 11-03-2003, 05:16 PM

if you want people to not eat fast food, just have them work at a fast food place for a few weeks. I've worked at McDonalds for a few months now, and barely ever eat fast food anymore, short of Subway occasionally..

tikki · 11-03-2003, 06:02 PM

I am afraid to read this. If I do, I will run out of places to eat since I live off fast food.

pocon1 · 11-03-2003, 07:10 PM

What killed me about the book is the fact that our meat processors like preparing meat for the European market because their standards are higher and the workers have a better-paced job. Why is it that we prepare better standards for people who are not American? Why should our standards be any less than anyone else? That is crazy, we should have the best and people should hope to be at our level. That is why I only eat kosher hot dogs now, because they are prepared at a higher standard of all beef and no entrails or anything like that.

Boo · 11-03-2003, 08:20 PM

And that McD's

"Crowing like a Rooster"

rap song needs to GO!!!!!!

GakFace · 11-03-2003, 09:11 PM

Don't need the book for that.. Just go to McD's and order their Chicken. I don't know WHAT its made of, but its no LAND animal, I can tell you that. I like to call it, "The Chicken of the Sea." Couldn't finish the meal, never had that shit again.

Subway though, at least I can see what they are putting in there. Pizza Hut uses really hot ovens... and Yes I like Taco Bell, and that my friends is why I thank my extremely powerful Immune System.

Snakebyt · 11-03-2003, 10:14 PM

i love my fast food ....couldnt live without it.. i know its going to kill me, but i bet the smoking gets me first

lafemmefatale · 11-03-2003, 10:36 PM

I thoroughly enjoyed the book because it was very objective, it wasn't over the top with exaggeration and all the chapters were well supported. It didn't, however change my fast food eating habits. I don't eat much of it to begin with, but i have no problem with eating it ocassionally, and I still don't.

My favourite section though, was when eric schlosser wrote about the flavourists who created smells for just about anything we use. It was very interesting to say the least, and not in a bad way.

Quote:

Originally posted by Sun Tzu
Yes, do not eat fast food instead save your homeostasis for all that lovely frankenfood your buying unless you shop at a 100% organic food store. My special favorite is pig thats been genetically crossed with spinach; yum!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/1780541.stm

Not attempting to get to far off the topic here, but if anyone reads the article at this link, what is your impression of the last paragraph?

Organic foods and GM foods are a touchy topic so this is STRICTLY my own opinion. Although the idea of dying piglets is sad, there will come a day where overpopulation will be so problematic that there will be, more commonly, dying people from the lack of food. In which case, the idea of GM foods, which may be able to grow more effeciently will be more helpful, in spite of the piggies. But that's a disputable idea.

More directly relating to the article and your question, while only 1% of the pigs survived, this is also an experiment. So at least it's not en masse. At the same time, I've dissected fetal pigs before in biology and these things get delivered in boxes of a hundred...it's really difficult get attached to it when it's such a scientific approach.

FINALLY. if you couldn't tell, I support GM foods in most ways [not environmentally though]. It's processed food that are dangerous. Which brings us full circle back to the book. It gives you zits, adds to your thighs and from reading the book, fast food is deeply involved in politics as well. So for a good read...give the book a try.

juanvaldes · 11-03-2003, 10:51 PM

#1 you have an agenda, we don't like that.
#2 this is the wrong forum
#3 there is already a thread on this book.

as djp pointed out go here.

11-02-2003, 05:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
slimcr Insane	If you eat fast food.. Im sure 100% of you have had fast food to eat, possibly around 75% if not more consume fast food regulary and perhaps some dont eat anything but fast food.... If you even care a little about your health, you should go out and buy this book, it will err, change the way you look at the crap you re currently eating. I know many of you will not have the will to do so but those that do will benefit from reading it. The name of the book is called "Fast Food Nation, The Dark Side of the All American Meal", written by Eric Schlosser. The book is only 285 pages long and is throroughly enjoyable. I know most here are couch potatoes who couldnt give a **** if they dropped dead tomorrow but those that are a little interested in your health, youll love this book. Perhaps some of this quotes will persuade to get it... "God strike me dead before I consume another fast food product...Fast Food Nation is the kind of book that you hope young people read because it demonstrates far better than any social studies class the need of government regulation, the unchecked power of multinational corporations, and the importance of our everyday decisions" "Overall this disturbing page turner will almost certainly curb your appetite" "Fast Food Nation...Enough to make a vegetarian out of Arnold Schwarzenegger" "Sit down for half an hour with Eric Schlossers treatise, Fast Food Nation, and you will experience the best diet plan ever devised" if you care a bit about your own health and are concerned you too may consume too much fast food, I think you should take the time to read this. If someone does buy the book and somehow manage to read it, Id love to hear feedback. Slim

11-02-2003, 06:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
YourNeverThere Practical Anarchist Location: Yesterday i woke up stuck in hollywood	book sounds good, but suggesting that most people here eat fast food most of the time is kind of odd, also, is it really really necessary to type **** instead of 'fuck'? I mean were all 18+ here, if you are offended by it, then why use it in a sentance? and if you aren't offended by it, then why the astrics? Something I will never understand about people. __________________ The Above post is a direct quote from Shakespeare

11-02-2003, 07:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
billege Watcher Location: Ohio	Is this just an ad for the book? Did the book teach you something you might want to share with us? Does this belong in the Health and Fitness Forum? Or, maybe the Literature Forum, where people go to discuss books. You are a rookie, so I just noticed, so I mean to help. Instead of just posting what you did, which provides me with no useful information, except you liked the book, please post something from the book we can discuss. Maybe you could tell us why fast food is so yucky. Then you could ask why we are dumb enough to eat that crap, etc. __________________ I can sum up the clash of religion in one sentence: "My Invisible Friend is better than your Invisible Friend."

11-02-2003, 08:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
bermuDa don't ignore this--> Location: CA	I've been meaning to get this book. This isn't about the health concerns of fast food so much as the disgusting things they put in it. __________________ I am the very model of a moderator gentleman.

11-02-2003, 10:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
anti fishstick Post-modernism meets Individualism AKA the Clash Location: oregon	yeah i should read this. it always catches my eyes at powell's book store. i work for fast food too :-D __________________ And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. ~Anais Nin

11-02-2003, 06:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jam Junkie	he didnt say most of us eat it regulary he said most of us have eaten it and some eat it regularly

11-02-2003, 07:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
rainheart Psycho	Uhhh it doesn't take a genius to figure out that fast food is bad for you...

11-02-2003, 08:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
Gun Banned Location: Long Island	Sometimes you have to sacrifice nutrition for convenience. McDonald's was never intended to be a dietary supplement.

11-02-2003, 09:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
Plan9Senior Banned Location: Orange County, California	The closest thing to fast food that I will eat would be pizza, and even then... that is only once a month. Fast food makes me feel like crap.

11-02-2003, 11:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
Journeyman Like John Goodman, but not. Location: SFBA, California	I read it back in the day. I can crisply recall two things from it, the first being that it's mostly about the way fast food companies/franchising interacts with society and the economy (ie turnover rates, low wages, no benefits, etc). The second being a story about (I think it was Jack in the box) a fast food company that had poisoned a few people with... maybe E. Coli, but something specific. There were two facts that could have been extrapolated from the poisonings: The virus that was ingested was only feasibly carried via feces (ie the cows tend to shit around when they're being slaughtered, and some of it makes its way into the meat), and that the product was not being cooked at a high enough temperature to kill the virus. The solution was to cook it more. What was widely ignored by the company and the media was the other part: "There is shit in the meat."

11-02-2003, 11:14 PM	#12 (permalink)
Sun Tzu Conspiracy Realist Location: The Event Horizon	Yes, do not eat fast food instead save your homeostasis for all that lovely frankenfood your buying unless you shop at a 100% organic food store. My special favorite is pig thats been genetically crossed with spinach; yum! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/1780541.stm Not attempting to get to far off the topic here, but if anyone reads the article at this link, what is your impression of the last paragraph? __________________ *To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit.- Stephen Hawking* Last edited by Sun Tzu; 11-02-2003 at 11:19 PM..

11-03-2003, 12:13 AM	#13 (permalink)
Eldaire Loser Location: Davidson College, NC	My philosophy is: "YUMMY!!! ME EAT!!!" I was a wrestler and had to cut weight all the time, so now that I can eat bad and stuff, I'm gonna. I suppose when I get older I may want to start respecting my body or whatever and may regret this, but for now I will enjoy my youthful metabolism .

11-03-2003, 12:23 AM	#14 (permalink)
wario Insane	Everybody says this book will change the way I feel about fast food, yet when it comes to any examples they can give, it seems rather tame. Sure gross stuff goes on at fast food joints. Also happens at the real restaurants, too. Gross stuff also happens in slaughterhouses. Too many people handle my food before it gets to me. I'll just have to trust them. One guy told me that the meat is tasteless and the flavor comes from bottled chemicals. No big deal there. And if that's so, I want a bottle of this "Whopper in a bottle." I'd make everything taste like a Whopper. I could even eat my vegetables! Hell, they should market this stuff. You can eat healthy with all the taste of fast food. But yeah, I'm sure I really don't want to know where my food comes from.

11-03-2003, 01:22 AM	#15 (permalink)
billege Watcher Location: Ohio	There are things you don't want to know about in all your foods. There are a certain number of insect parts allowed per/(whatever)unit in your cereal. Your broccoli has insect feces in it, dirt, dust, and you don't want to remember what kind of mites live in your pillows. The world is full of fun stuff we like to pretend isn't there. That's why we have immune systems. Are this many people that naive? No one should be surprised that their food is not 100% devoid of things they'd rather not know about? C'mon people. Surprise number 2: Many restaurants serve cleaner food than you do at home. Very, very few home cooks have been through any of the sanitation, cleanliness, or cross-contamination classes that professional cooks do. I'd still like to discuss something other than ads for this book. The TFP is not supposed to be an advertising forum for people who can quote book reviews from web sites. How 'bout some quality here. I want direct lessons from this book that are supposed to be soooooo surprising. I want some shocking new information that will change the way I think about food. Tell me more than I can learn from the FDA standards. __________________ I can sum up the clash of religion in one sentence: "My Invisible Friend is better than your Invisible Friend." Last edited by billege; 11-03-2003 at 01:25 AM..

11-03-2003, 04:52 AM	#16 (permalink)
Loup Pup no More Location: Voted the Best	There's already a discussion of Fast Food Nations here. And just for the record, I thought the book was a little to biased. __________________ "If you cannot lift the load off another's back, do not walk away. Try to lighten it." ~ Frank Tyger Last edited by Loup; 11-03-2003 at 04:55 AM..

11-03-2003, 05:37 AM	#17 (permalink)
castex Psycho Location: france	The part about advertising to kids really gets my goat. This really should be stopped, and the insidious presence of McD et al in schools, colleges is really beyond the pale. Someone needs to take these monsters in hand, and I reckon a couple of rounds in a small ring with Naomi Klein would sort any of those non-spinach-spliced corporate pigs. What do I think about the last paragraph, Sun Tzu? I think all concerned need their heads examining. A 1% survival rate means they clearly don't know what they're doing They should all be rounded up in a non-GM field, and shot. There, I said it.

11-03-2003, 08:01 AM	#18 (permalink)
irseg Junkie Location: Florida	Goddammit is this Fast Food Nation thing some kind of cult? I'm serious. Some people talk about FFN exactly like the Scientologists I knew would always talk about Dianetics. I have yet to see an example of anything from that book that was at all shocking. I might check out that book for the hell of it but from my understanding it can be summed up as follows: "Animals have to die so we can eat meat and people who flip burgers make shit money so corporations are evil and taking over our lives and going to kill us all!"

11-03-2003, 03:41 PM	#19 (permalink)
Kaos Ssssssssss Location: Ontario	People live way too long these days anyways...I say everyone over-indulge, lower the average death age, die earlier and make room for everyone else.

11-03-2003, 05:16 PM	#20 (permalink)
gwr_gwir Crazy	if you want people to not eat fast food, just have them work at a fast food place for a few weeks. I've worked at McDonalds for a few months now, and barely ever eat fast food anymore, short of Subway occasionally.. __________________ Being intelligent is not a felony. But most societies evaluate it as at least a misdemeanor. -- Robert Heinlein

11-03-2003, 06:02 PM	#21 (permalink)
tikki Justified Location: West Lafayette, IN	I am afraid to read this. If I do, I will run out of places to eat since I live off fast food. __________________ Take notice. Take interest. Take me with you.

11-03-2003, 07:10 PM	#22 (permalink)
pocon1 Banned	What killed me about the book is the fact that our meat processors like preparing meat for the European market because their standards are higher and the workers have a better-paced job. Why is it that we prepare better standards for people who are not American? Why should our standards be any less than anyone else? That is crazy, we should have the best and people should hope to be at our level. That is why I only eat kosher hot dogs now, because they are prepared at a higher standard of all beef and no entrails or anything like that.

11-03-2003, 08:20 PM	#23 (permalink)
Boo Leave me alone! Location: Alaska, USA	And that McD's "Crowing like a Rooster" rap song needs to GO!!!!!!

11-03-2003, 09:11 PM	#24 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	Don't need the book for that.. Just go to McD's and order their Chicken. I don't know WHAT its made of, but its no LAND animal, I can tell you that. I like to call it, "The Chicken of the Sea." Couldn't finish the meal, never had that shit again. Subway though, at least I can see what they are putting in there. Pizza Hut uses really hot ovens... and Yes I like Taco Bell, and that my friends is why I thank my extremely powerful Immune System. __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

11-03-2003, 10:14 PM	#25 (permalink)
Snakebyt Psycho Location: Lubbock Texas	i love my fast food ....couldnt live without it.. i know its going to kill me, but i bet the smoking gets me first

11-03-2003, 10:51 PM	#27 (permalink)
juanvaldes Banned Location: shittown, CA	#1 you have an agenda, we don't like that. #2 this is the wrong forum #3 there is already a thread on this book. as djp pointed out go here.