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Cynthetiq · 10-09-2003, 05:02 PM

Parents Sue School Over Wi-Fi Reuters
Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/technology...,60769,00.html

01:21 PM Oct. 09, 2003 PT

A pioneering elementary school district outside Chicago has been sued for installing a wireless computer network by parents worried that exposure to the network's radio waves could harm their children.

According to the complaint (PDF), filed last month in Illinois state court, parents of five children assert that a growing body of evidence outlines "serious health risks that exposure to low intensity, but high radio frequency radiation poses to human beings, particularly children."

The Oak Park Elementary School District set up a wireless network to connect its schools to one another in 1995, long before such networks became wildly popular. A spokeswoman for the district, Gail Crantz, said it complies with all government regulations for wireless networks.

Today, the 5,000 students in the district have access to carts of laptop computers to do research on the Internet from their desks, said Steve Chowanski, director of information services for the district.

An estimated 30 million Wi-Fi networks have been installed worldwide, according to the Wi-Fi Alliance, which certifies wireless products. Brian Grimm, a spokesman for the group, said he is unaware of other similar suits targeting Wi-Fi networks.

According to Chowanski, a small group of parents had complained about the risks of installing wireless networks in the school. In response, the school board said it would continue to monitor research into the safety of the networks but reaffirmed its plan to use Wi-Fi.

"We are not going to do anything different," Chowanski said. "This is the wave of the future."

The complaint by the parents was filed Sept. 26 in the Circuit Court of Cook County in Illinois. A hearing before Judge Nancy Arnold is scheduled for February.

The parents allege that the district failed to examine the impact the networks could have on growing children's health. They are seeking class-action status for their suit, which seeks to halt the use of wireless networks.

Calls to the parents and their lawyers were not immediately returned.

The Wi-Fi Alliance says Wi-Fi networks are safe. The radio waves in a Wi-Fi network use the same frequency as wireless home phones, and have one-thirtieth the power of cordless phones, said Grimm, the spokesman for the group.
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I'll guess that these parents don't have any CELLPHONES, CORDLESS PHONES, REMOTE CONTROLS, GARAGE DOOR OPENERS....

This has got to be really silly...

The_Dude · 10-09-2003, 05:33 PM

ignorance. i bet the word "wifi" scares 'em or something.

or maybe they are so used to the way things where, that they are afraid of change?

gov135 · 10-09-2003, 05:45 PM

I've never understood people who would SUE school districts. I think when this nonsense is over, the parents should be sued to recover the taxpayers dollars spent defending this nonsense.

There is always homeschooling.

oberon · 10-09-2003, 05:48 PM

Ignorant nitwits. I guess they've never heard of this neat thing called "radio frequency".. which pretty much makes up everything you said Cynthetiq.

Sledge · 10-09-2003, 05:51 PM

This is completely understandable.

Why do these bureaucrats think there's a magical bubble around the school that repels all dangerous, dangerous radio waves? Please, think of the children.

sixate · 10-09-2003, 06:02 PM

Now wonder kids are such wimps. Look who's raising them... A bunch of overprotective morons.

Phaenx · 10-09-2003, 06:09 PM

No kidding, I should do America a favor by studying "gym teacher technologies" in college.

I'll dodgeball the hell out of those little bastards.

taog · 10-09-2003, 06:26 PM

This is funny as hell

What about when a kid walks down our overly polluted streets?

I'm sure that does more harm to them than a wireless network.

there is also this link

http://archives.pioneerlocal.com/cgi...2-03-edit.html

this one is actually on the parents side for this one

Anyway, we have been dealing with radio waves and have tested their affects on the human body many times over. I'm sure all of this was taken into consideration when Wi Fi was doing research on the best possible way to create wireless networks.

Another thing, wireless networks have been around for a long time. Not long enough to know for sure if there is danger or not, but similar things, such as wireless phone, tv converters, remote control cars, and anything wireless, have been used for many years. We know a lot about those items and their affect on the human body, so i'm pretty sure it's safe to assume that within the making of the wireless networks, health risks were pretty high in priority. Espectially because of the whole cell phone causing cancer BS that was going around a few years ago.

What ever happened with that anyway? Have they figured out if over-use of a cellphone causes cancer? I remember hearing a lot about it, then it suddenly dropped and i didn't hear anything more.

ARTelevision · 10-09-2003, 06:30 PM

Lud·dite ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ldt)
n.
Any of a group of British workers who between 1811 and 1816 rioted and destroyed laborsaving textile machinery in the belief that such machinery would diminish employment.
One who opposes technical or technological change.
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[After Ned Ludd, an English laborer who was supposed to have destroyed weaving machinery around 1779.]
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Luddism n.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition

luddite

\Lud"dite\, n. One of a number of riotous persons in England, who for six years (1811-17) tried to prevent the use of labor-saving machinery by breaking it, burning factories, etc.; -- so called from Ned Lud, a half-witted man who some years previously had broken stocking frames. --J. & H. Smith. H. Martineau.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

luddite

n 1: any opponent of technological progress [syn: Luddite] 2: one of the 19th century English workman who destroyed labor-saving machinery that they thought would cause unemployment [syn: Luddite]

Quietus · 10-09-2003, 06:46 PM

Haha. How much do you want to bet that most of said parents own cell phones and use them/let their kids use them on a regular basis? Yay for hypocrisy.

raeanna74 · 10-09-2003, 07:42 PM

OK there may be a health risk. The schools probably announced their intentions prior to purchasing and installing the equipment. Such things would have been discussed at public meetings probably. Where were these parents then?

This is why I advocate vouchers for parents who want to homeschool or put their children in private schools. If the schools don't meet the parents criteria then the parents can go elsewhere and the schools don't have to deal with them.

I irritates me that these parents don't seem to be concerned about the taxes that will be wasted in all the legal and court hullabaloo.

If the schools kept this hush hush until it was installed and truely ignored any possibility that this could be a harm to children then I would be upset with them. Personally I don't see this as likely.

punx1325 · 10-09-2003, 07:55 PM

I feel bad for the kids, who are raised by parents that are the stupidest people on earth.

prince_albert · 10-09-2003, 08:05 PM

It's funny, all the new technology comes first at the States, and the people are stupid enough to try and ban in!

Soggybagel · 10-09-2003, 08:07 PM

Bahahahahah. Okay those parents are pardon the term "RETARTED." ITs using your basic radio wave.

Macheath · 10-09-2003, 08:25 PM

Someone needs to mess with their heads. Go to rotten.com and find those pictures of 1940s Navy experimental radar operators with the missing hands and stuff. Tell them - "this is what FM radio and mobile phones are doing to your children RIGHT NOW!!" Hopefully they'll totally freak out, run for the hills and forget to call their lawyer or show up in court. Find them in a forest three weeks later eating berries, grunting and living in trees...

Gortexfogg · 10-09-2003, 08:48 PM

I can understand parents caring... but what I don't understand is how these parents came up with the idea that WiFi is dangerous...did they research it all? Or did they get together one day and decide to put their kids through college with a lawsuit over something stupid? I hope the school doesn't loose too much money stopping the parent's lawsuit...

guthmund · 10-09-2003, 09:27 PM

AGHHHHH!!!!!!

RUN AWAY IT'S.....TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!!

When I was reading this story I kept picturing old dirty peasants raiding the castle with pitchforks and torches.

If you want to retard civilization, by all means do it in the privacy of your own home. Some of us want educated kids who can function in society, the rest of us send'em to public schools.

juanvaldes · 10-09-2003, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Quietus
Haha. How much do you want to bet that most of said parents own cell phones and use them/let their kids use them on a regular basis? Yay for hypocrisy.

exactly, I bet everyone of them has at LEAST 5 devices in their own homes on the same frequency as WiFi.

Stupid stupid stupid.

arcane · 10-10-2003, 02:10 AM

i hate frivolous lawsuits...especially one so dumb

ill bet that at least 80% of households have at least one 2.4ghz cordless phone, which last time i checked was the same operating frequency as 802.11b/g

this lawsuit is as stupid as the guy who tried to sue mcdonalds cos the food there made him fat

i would have killed for wifi in my highschool if it existed back then

Nefir · 10-10-2003, 06:07 AM

Those parents probably don't let their kids read Harry Potter either, because it glorifies witchcraft and teaches them evil spells.

What kind of lesson are these children learning? What kind of misinformation are they receiving at home about the world around them? Its sad that the next generation must grow up in ignorance and stupidity because their parents are too stupid and ignorant to change with the times.

Grrr.

G5_Todd · 10-10-2003, 06:26 AM

im never a fan of law suits.....

to state the obvious....lots of money grubbing attornies ruining the states

smarm · 10-10-2003, 06:44 AM

What everybody doesn't understand is that the school purchased uranium powered WiFi access points. There is a chunk of highly refined hyper radioactive material in each of the devices. The consequences of this are truly horrifying. The only upside is that the school no longer has to spend money on lighting, all of the kids glow.

Or... exposure to the sun causes cancer. Sue the school for forcing kids to attend class in rooms with windows.

or... for pete's sake stop hyperventilating about irrevelavent issues and let the education flow.

or something.

grr.

Ripsaw · 10-10-2003, 06:51 AM

Research is still being conducted, as it will be for the next century. I know people that can feel cell-phone signals. They can tell me if my phone is on or off when I pass it by their hand or face. There is an effect to everything. Energy of any kind does something to anything it passes through. We haven't the proof yet, but we continue to use whatever makes our life easier, and more productive, because we aren't luddites. If these parents have such a concern over this, they should look to find another school. Up with progress.

taog · 10-11-2003, 09:49 AM

research is being conducted.. this is true.. but research for similar devices has been going on for years. Chordless phones have been around for quite some time now. I'm pretty sure they know that they don't harm you too much, if at all.

WiFi isn't as insane as cell phones, and as far as i know, it's not even that strong. My college has it, and you can only get a signal from it as long as you are within about 20-30 feet of the device sending the signal. They have it placed all over the college, so you can connect pretty much anywhere.

If anything, it will have long term affects, which would mean that all humans are fucked, not just the kids going to that school.

Pretty soon, probably all you are going to need is a card taht you hook up to your computer, and bam, you have an internet connection. I would be much more frightened of those radio waves, since they have to be a lot stronger to travel great distances.

Also, what about satellite signals for television and satellite internet, or the power lines that go through these peoples towns. Or how about the toxic fumes leaking out of the streets from peoples shit and piss. What about neon lights.. those are pretty scary. Have you heard the sounds they make?

I'm gonig to sue the school for using neon lights, having the school near power lines and streets where peoples shit roams, for having windows that are open to the pollution outside, and for building a school somewhere where the sun shines on the kids during class and breaks.

Imagine if these stupid ass parents win though? That would mean that no schools would be able to use wireless technology in the states. I would feel sorry for you guys.

I do have a question for you americans though. I work for a major OEM and i deal with US customers, and it seems that 90% of the people that call have dialup internet. Now, here in canada, i'm pretty sure that 90% of the people have high speed, because it's basically the same price, and less of a hastle, unless you for some reason have two phone lines, which in turn would end up costing you more than high speed.

I'm just wondering. Is the reason why no one in the states has high speed the price issue? Is it a lot more there for high speed? Or is it because i talk to people who don't know what they are doing, and i'm actually totally wrong, and most people do have high speed, just not the elderly ladies that i talk to.

Just a question i was curious about.

TheBrit · 10-12-2003, 02:08 PM

High speed is catching on in the UK, and I am not sure if it is a good or bad thing that AOL is pushing it now.
IIRC, 2.4GHz is around about FM/TV part of the spectrum. You basically cannot escape those waves, and they have much more power than your wifi waves. I have my wifi laptop in my lap right now, an Apple. The antenna is about 7" from my balls. I am scared.

raeanna74 · 10-12-2003, 06:41 PM

We in Wisconsin pay about $90 per month total for Cable internet and television. If we went to dialup it'd be about $10 average per month. I think DSL is a little cheaper but not as cheap as dialup. Most of the people I know go either Cable or Dialup - DSL doesn't seem as good and there don't seem to be as many providers so no healthy price competition. Cable is faster so if they can afford more than dialup they just go for the better one.

These parents just need to quit wasting the time of the educational system on this. Those parents who aren't concerned about it are getting hurt by the system being tied up in a legal battle instead of seeing to the needs of the children. If the parents don't like it - they need to leave. I think it's so simple. Why tie yourself to battle with an educational system you don't like when there are so many other education options out there? It's ludicrus. Are they more worried about the education their kids get or the money they themselves can get. I feel sorry for the kids caught in the middle of this. I'd hate my parents for this.

merkerguitars · 10-13-2003, 03:58 PM

Another group of people that don't have a lick of sense in their head........

tangledweb · 10-13-2003, 06:31 PM

I guarantee that this lawsuit was thought up by some nutcase who doesn't work for a living, while getting their Mercedes detailed, and drinking a $5 Starbucks coffee.

Get a life!

RMitchell30 · 10-13-2003, 09:46 PM

Seriously what are these parents thinkin... (oh they found a way to improve my childs education lets do everything in our power to stop it... nevermind all the drugs, alcohol, crime etc...) I mean the school district is tryin to give the kids an advantage the elementary school i went to didnt even have the internet so we couldn't do half the stuff kids can do now... honestly everyone in this country is sue happy anymore... its like its their only source of income.

10-09-2003, 05:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	Parents Sue School Over Wi-Fi Parents Sue School Over Wi-Fi Reuters Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/technology...,60769,00.html 01:21 PM Oct. 09, 2003 PT A pioneering elementary school district outside Chicago has been sued for installing a wireless computer network by parents worried that exposure to the network's radio waves could harm their children. According to the complaint (PDF), filed last month in Illinois state court, parents of five children assert that a growing body of evidence outlines "serious health risks that exposure to low intensity, but high radio frequency radiation poses to human beings, particularly children." The Oak Park Elementary School District set up a wireless network to connect its schools to one another in 1995, long before such networks became wildly popular. A spokeswoman for the district, Gail Crantz, said it complies with all government regulations for wireless networks. Today, the 5,000 students in the district have access to carts of laptop computers to do research on the Internet from their desks, said Steve Chowanski, director of information services for the district. An estimated 30 million Wi-Fi networks have been installed worldwide, according to the Wi-Fi Alliance, which certifies wireless products. Brian Grimm, a spokesman for the group, said he is unaware of other similar suits targeting Wi-Fi networks. According to Chowanski, a small group of parents had complained about the risks of installing wireless networks in the school. In response, the school board said it would continue to monitor research into the safety of the networks but reaffirmed its plan to use Wi-Fi. "We are not going to do anything different," Chowanski said. "This is the wave of the future." The complaint by the parents was filed Sept. 26 in the Circuit Court of Cook County in Illinois. A hearing before Judge Nancy Arnold is scheduled for February. The parents allege that the district failed to examine the impact the networks could have on growing children's health. They are seeking class-action status for their suit, which seeks to halt the use of wireless networks. Calls to the parents and their lawyers were not immediately returned. The Wi-Fi Alliance says Wi-Fi networks are safe. The radio waves in a Wi-Fi network use the same frequency as wireless home phones, and have one-thirtieth the power of cordless phones, said Grimm, the spokesman for the group. ---------- I'll guess that these parents don't have any CELLPHONES, CORDLESS PHONES, REMOTE CONTROLS, GARAGE DOOR OPENERS.... This has got to be really silly... __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

10-09-2003, 05:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	ignorance. i bet the word "wifi" scares 'em or something. or maybe they are so used to the way things where, that they are afraid of change? __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

10-09-2003, 05:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
oberon Quadrature Amplitude Modulator Location: Denver	Ignorant nitwits. I guess they've never heard of this neat thing called "radio frequency".. which pretty much makes up everything you said Cynthetiq. __________________ "There are finer fish in the sea than have ever been caught." -- Irish proverb

10-09-2003, 06:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	No kidding, I should do America a favor by studying "gym teacher technologies" in college. I'll dodgeball the hell out of those little bastards. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

10-09-2003, 06:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	Lud·dite ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ldt) n. Any of a group of British workers who between 1811 and 1816 rioted and destroyed laborsaving textile machinery in the belief that such machinery would diminish employment. One who opposes technical or technological change. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [After Ned Ludd, an English laborer who was supposed to have destroyed weaving machinery around 1779.] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luddism n. Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition luddite \Lud"dite\, n. One of a number of riotous persons in England, who for six years (1811-17) tried to prevent the use of labor-saving machinery by breaking it, burning factories, etc.; -- so called from Ned Lud, a half-witted man who some years previously had broken stocking frames. --J. & H. Smith. H. Martineau. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. luddite n 1: any opponent of technological progress [syn: Luddite] 2: one of the 19th century English workman who destroyed labor-saving machinery that they thought would cause unemployment [syn: Luddite] __________________ create evolution

10-09-2003, 05:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
gov135 Junkie Location: Midwest	I've never understood people who would SUE school districts. I think when this nonsense is over, the parents should be sued to recover the taxpayers dollars spent defending this nonsense. There is always homeschooling.

10-09-2003, 05:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
Sledge Pasture Bedtime	This is completely understandable. Why do these bureaucrats think there's a magical bubble around the school that repels all dangerous, dangerous radio waves? Please, think of the children.

10-09-2003, 06:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	Now wonder kids are such wimps. Look who's raising them... A bunch of overprotective morons.

10-09-2003, 06:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
taog Crazy Location: London, Ontario, Canada	This is funny as hell What about when a kid walks down our overly polluted streets? I'm sure that does more harm to them than a wireless network. there is also this link http://archives.pioneerlocal.com/cgi...2-03-edit.html this one is actually on the parents side for this one Anyway, we have been dealing with radio waves and have tested their affects on the human body many times over. I'm sure all of this was taken into consideration when Wi Fi was doing research on the best possible way to create wireless networks. Another thing, wireless networks have been around for a long time. Not long enough to know for sure if there is danger or not, but similar things, such as wireless phone, tv converters, remote control cars, and anything wireless, have been used for many years. We know a lot about those items and their affect on the human body, so i'm pretty sure it's safe to assume that within the making of the wireless networks, health risks were pretty high in priority. Espectially because of the whole cell phone causing cancer BS that was going around a few years ago. What ever happened with that anyway? Have they figured out if over-use of a cellphone causes cancer? I remember hearing a lot about it, then it suddenly dropped and i didn't hear anything more.

10-09-2003, 06:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
Quietus Tilted Location: Tempe, AZ	Haha. How much do you want to bet that most of said parents own cell phones and use them/let their kids use them on a regular basis? Yay for hypocrisy. __________________ "And I think it’s gonna be a long long time 'Till touchdown brings me 'round again to find I’m not the man they think I am at home Oh, no, no, no, I’m a rocket man, Rocket man, burning out his fuse up here alone..."

10-09-2003, 07:42 PM	#11 (permalink)
raeanna74 I'm not a blonde! I'm knot! I'm knot! I'm knot! Location: Upper Michigan	OK there may be a health risk. The schools probably announced their intentions prior to purchasing and installing the equipment. Such things would have been discussed at public meetings probably. Where were these parents then? This is why I advocate vouchers for parents who want to homeschool or put their children in private schools. If the schools don't meet the parents criteria then the parents can go elsewhere and the schools don't have to deal with them. I irritates me that these parents don't seem to be concerned about the taxes that will be wasted in all the legal and court hullabaloo. If the schools kept this hush hush until it was installed and truely ignored any possibility that this could be a harm to children then I would be upset with them. Personally I don't see this as likely. __________________ "Always learn the rules so that you can break them properly." Dalai Lama My Karma just ran over your Dogma.

10-09-2003, 07:55 PM	#12 (permalink)
punx1325 Junkie Location: San Diego	I feel bad for the kids, who are raised by parents that are the stupidest people on earth. __________________ If something seems too good to be true, then it probably is....

10-09-2003, 08:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
prince_albert Banned Location: Bradford, UK	It's funny, all the new technology comes first at the States, and the people are stupid enough to try and ban in!

10-09-2003, 08:07 PM	#14 (permalink)
Soggybagel Psycho Location: Lovely City #1	Bahahahahah. Okay those parents are pardon the term "RETARTED." ITs using your basic radio wave.

10-09-2003, 08:25 PM	#15 (permalink)
Macheath Junkie Location: Sydney, Australia	Someone needs to mess with their heads. Go to rotten.com and find those pictures of 1940s Navy experimental radar operators with the missing hands and stuff. Tell them - "this is what FM radio and mobile phones are doing to your children RIGHT NOW!!" Hopefully they'll totally freak out, run for the hills and forget to call their lawyer or show up in court. Find them in a forest three weeks later eating berries, grunting and living in trees...

10-09-2003, 08:48 PM	#16 (permalink)
Gortexfogg I and I Location: Stillwater, OK	I can understand parents caring... but what I don't understand is how these parents came up with the idea that WiFi is dangerous...did they research it all? Or did they get together one day and decide to put their kids through college with a lawsuit over something stupid? I hope the school doesn't loose too much money stopping the parent's lawsuit...

10-09-2003, 09:27 PM	#17 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	AGHHHHH!!!!!! RUN AWAY IT'S.....TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!! When I was reading this story I kept picturing old dirty peasants raiding the castle with pitchforks and torches. If you want to retard civilization, by all means do it in the privacy of your own home. Some of us want educated kids who can function in society, the rest of us send'em to public schools. __________________ No signature. None. Seriously.

10-10-2003, 02:10 AM	#19 (permalink)
arcane Insane Location: SLC, UT	i hate frivolous lawsuits...especially one so dumb ill bet that at least 80% of households have at least one 2.4ghz cordless phone, which last time i checked was the same operating frequency as 802.11b/g this lawsuit is as stupid as the guy who tried to sue mcdonalds cos the food there made him fat i would have killed for wifi in my highschool if it existed back then __________________ <Arcane> so if you banged 2000 chicks then at least one had a pen0r?

10-10-2003, 06:07 AM	#20 (permalink)
Nefir Junkie Location: Louisville, KY	Those parents probably don't let their kids read Harry Potter either, because it glorifies witchcraft and teaches them evil spells. What kind of lesson are these children learning? What kind of misinformation are they receiving at home about the world around them? Its sad that the next generation must grow up in ignorance and stupidity because their parents are too stupid and ignorant to change with the times. Grrr. __________________ You do not use a Macintosh, instead you use a Tandy Kompressor break your glowstick, Kompressor eat your candy Kompressor open jaws, Kompressor release ants Kompressor watch you scream, Because Kompressor does not dance

10-10-2003, 06:26 AM	#21 (permalink)
G5_Todd Junkie Location: Reichstag	im never a fan of law suits..... to state the obvious....lots of money grubbing attornies ruining the states __________________ "....and when you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." -General Franks

10-10-2003, 06:44 AM	#22 (permalink)
smarm Insane	What everybody doesn't understand is that the school purchased uranium powered WiFi access points. There is a chunk of highly refined hyper radioactive material in each of the devices. The consequences of this are truly horrifying. The only upside is that the school no longer has to spend money on lighting, all of the kids glow. Or... exposure to the sun causes cancer. Sue the school for forcing kids to attend class in rooms with windows. or... for pete's sake stop hyperventilating about irrevelavent issues and let the education flow. or something. grr.

10-10-2003, 06:51 AM	#23 (permalink)
Ripsaw Chef in Training	Research is still being conducted, as it will be for the next century. I know people that can feel cell-phone signals. They can tell me if my phone is on or off when I pass it by their hand or face. There is an effect to everything. Energy of any kind does something to anything it passes through. We haven't the proof yet, but we continue to use whatever makes our life easier, and more productive, because we aren't luddites. If these parents have such a concern over this, they should look to find another school. Up with progress. __________________ "We are supposed to be masters of space, but we cant even line up our shoes?" One life, one chance, one opportunity.

10-11-2003, 09:49 AM	#24 (permalink)
taog Crazy Location: London, Ontario, Canada	research is being conducted.. this is true.. but research for similar devices has been going on for years. Chordless phones have been around for quite some time now. I'm pretty sure they know that they don't harm you too much, if at all. WiFi isn't as insane as cell phones, and as far as i know, it's not even that strong. My college has it, and you can only get a signal from it as long as you are within about 20-30 feet of the device sending the signal. They have it placed all over the college, so you can connect pretty much anywhere. If anything, it will have long term affects, which would mean that all humans are fucked, not just the kids going to that school. Pretty soon, probably all you are going to need is a card taht you hook up to your computer, and bam, you have an internet connection. I would be much more frightened of those radio waves, since they have to be a lot stronger to travel great distances. Also, what about satellite signals for television and satellite internet, or the power lines that go through these peoples towns. Or how about the toxic fumes leaking out of the streets from peoples shit and piss. What about neon lights.. those are pretty scary. Have you heard the sounds they make? I'm gonig to sue the school for using neon lights, having the school near power lines and streets where peoples shit roams, for having windows that are open to the pollution outside, and for building a school somewhere where the sun shines on the kids during class and breaks. Imagine if these stupid ass parents win though? That would mean that no schools would be able to use wireless technology in the states. I would feel sorry for you guys. I do have a question for you americans though. I work for a major OEM and i deal with US customers, and it seems that 90% of the people that call have dialup internet. Now, here in canada, i'm pretty sure that 90% of the people have high speed, because it's basically the same price, and less of a hastle, unless you for some reason have two phone lines, which in turn would end up costing you more than high speed. I'm just wondering. Is the reason why no one in the states has high speed the price issue? Is it a lot more there for high speed? Or is it because i talk to people who don't know what they are doing, and i'm actually totally wrong, and most people do have high speed, just not the elderly ladies that i talk to. Just a question i was curious about.

10-12-2003, 02:08 PM	#25 (permalink)
TheBrit Psycho	High speed is catching on in the UK, and I am not sure if it is a good or bad thing that AOL is pushing it now. IIRC, 2.4GHz is around about FM/TV part of the spectrum. You basically cannot escape those waves, and they have much more power than your wifi waves. I have my wifi laptop in my lap right now, an Apple. The antenna is about 7" from my balls. I am scared.

10-12-2003, 06:41 PM	#26 (permalink)
raeanna74 I'm not a blonde! I'm knot! I'm knot! I'm knot! Location: Upper Michigan	We in Wisconsin pay about $90 per month total for Cable internet and television. If we went to dialup it'd be about $10 average per month. I think DSL is a little cheaper but not as cheap as dialup. Most of the people I know go either Cable or Dialup - DSL doesn't seem as good and there don't seem to be as many providers so no healthy price competition. Cable is faster so if they can afford more than dialup they just go for the better one. These parents just need to quit wasting the time of the educational system on this. Those parents who aren't concerned about it are getting hurt by the system being tied up in a legal battle instead of seeing to the needs of the children. If the parents don't like it - they need to leave. I think it's so simple. Why tie yourself to battle with an educational system you don't like when there are so many other education options out there? It's ludicrus. Are they more worried about the education their kids get or the money they themselves can get. I feel sorry for the kids caught in the middle of this. I'd hate my parents for this. __________________ "Always learn the rules so that you can break them properly." Dalai Lama My Karma just ran over your Dogma.

10-13-2003, 03:58 PM	#27 (permalink)
merkerguitars Buffering......... Location: Wisconsin...	Another group of people that don't have a lick of sense in their head........ __________________ Donate now! Ask me How! Please use the search function it is your friend. Look at my mustang please feel free to comment! http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=26985

10-13-2003, 06:31 PM	#28 (permalink)
tangledweb slightly impaired Location: Down South	I guarantee that this lawsuit was thought up by some nutcase who doesn't work for a living, while getting their Mercedes detailed, and drinking a $5 Starbucks coffee. Get a life!

10-13-2003, 09:46 PM	#29 (permalink)
RMitchell30 Upright	Seriously what are these parents thinkin... (oh they found a way to improve my childs education lets do everything in our power to stop it... nevermind all the drugs, alcohol, crime etc...) I mean the school district is tryin to give the kids an advantage the elementary school i went to didnt even have the internet so we couldn't do half the stuff kids can do now... honestly everyone in this country is sue happy anymore... its like its their only source of income.