09-12-2003, 02:16 AM | #1 (permalink) |
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Porn film strips Italian church of holiness
A church in central Italy may need reconsecrating after police discovered it had been the location for a pornographic film.
Italian police say the church of San Vicenzo's seedy past came to light when a local watching Il Confessionale ("The Confessional Box") recognised the spot. He called in the police who, on closer study of the movie, confirmed his suspicions. The local priest says the film crew told him they were shooting a wedding scene in the church. However, a man dressed as a priest was filmed having sex with a woman playing the bride. The priest of nearby Gioia dei Marsi says under canon (church) law the Bishop of Marsi, Lucio Renna, would have to re-bless all services held in San Vicenzo, east of Rome, since the film was shot in 1998. Italian news agency ANSA quotes Bishop Renna as saying "first we have to find out exactly what happened... I have to speak with those involved and find out what went on and why". Source: ABC News Online |
09-12-2003, 07:54 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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Wow, thats just hillarious.
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09-12-2003, 11:12 AM | #8 (permalink) |
Please touch this.
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I have a porn movie on my computer called "Confessions of a Nun" that's Italian... maybe it's the same one. Either way, it's fucking hilarious.
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09-12-2003, 11:37 AM | #10 (permalink) |
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damn... i'm shocked... no really... shocked.
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09-12-2003, 01:34 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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Hahaha, that is too funny.
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09-12-2003, 05:47 PM | #14 (permalink) |
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Now, I'm a recovering Catholic, so I don't feel any sympathy for the institution.
However, I do feel sympathy for those faithful Catholics who will now be told that their (wedding, funeral, baptism, confirmation, priesthood) is invalid because these fuckers decided it would be fun to film a porno movie in a house of God. As silly as we may all find it to be that sex is considered sinful, to many catholics is it just so, and what those filmmakers did was desecrate their house of worship for some cheap thrills. Catholic or not, no holy place should ever be desecrated for any reason. This is a travesty, not some high school prank. |
09-12-2003, 06:22 PM | #15 (permalink) |
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Yay, that sounds pretty Catholic to me. And how many people died in the Crusades? Different time - same story.
I'm ok with faith, it's "bonafide religion" that actuaslly is the culprit. If you are raised Catholic, you are bred to stay pregnant and poor. Hence the state of the Union is so many ways. Not racist, just a historian.
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09-13-2003, 01:01 PM | #20 (permalink) |
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Yeah,
A porno director lies to a priest and an entire parish has to suffer the mental anguish of knowing their place of worship was used to shoot a porn. Real fucking hilarious.
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09-13-2003, 01:46 PM | #22 (permalink) |
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the church is in a problematic position with the world.
it's understandable to me why this would occur. it's also quite understandable why there would be strong feelings on both sides of the issues it raises.
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09-13-2003, 02:29 PM | #23 (permalink) |
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Art,
I see the issue in different terms. People who lie and hurt others are to be shunned. It does not matter who these people are or the titles they hold, be it priest or porn director. In both cases, their victims are the innocent and they should not be mocked by anyone.
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09-13-2003, 03:20 PM | #24 (permalink) |
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How do you know he "lied". It said they were going to shoot a wedding scene, and it sounded like the porn had a wedding scene and then some sex. So whoever said they were going to shoot a wedding scene was not lying, they were just not adding that there would be sex as well.
It may be dishonest to not inform the church that the wedding will involve sex... But then again looking at a dictionary it has one definition as "something meant to decieve or give a wrong impression". So then it would rely on weather or not the director (or whoever talked to the church) was intentionally trying to give the impression that he was making a non-adult movie. You might say that it is obvious that he was, but that isn't nessecarily true (although most would lean towards that).
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09-13-2003, 04:32 PM | #26 (permalink) |
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Lebell,
My real point is I can well understand why there are people in the world who hate the church. I can also equally understand why there are people who love the church. Having said this, I can understand why there are people who rationalize desecrating church property. The church is a target. Personally, I can sympathize with both groups: people who hate the church and people who love the church. My post really concerned the comprehensibility of this event. As opposed to what was expressed by Cynthetiq, I don't find it shocking in the least. To respond directly to your latest post; people who feel justified in hating the church will feel justified in lying in order to desecrate its property. Given the history of organized religion and the history of human responses to it, all this is par for the course.
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09-13-2003, 08:09 PM | #27 (permalink) |
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Raw Kuts:
Please. We both know you are playing word games and we both know that if the priest had known what the director intended, the movie would never have been shot in the church. So the director had to hide what he really wanted to do. Art, I don't disagree with anything you've said, but what is not being said or acknowledged, is that the 'church' is not some monolithic institution, but is made up of people. Consider, when someone cuts you off in traffic, do you feel justified cutting off someone else, someone who has done nothing to you? No, of course not. The mature person does not pass on a hurt and take revenge on someone who has done them no harm. Well, that is what the justification of this desecration amounts to, as far as I can see. People here have either been hurt by some church figure or figures or are suffering from rightous indignation in lieu, and so they feel that it is ok to "stick it to the church, ANY church". What is being ignored is that there is a parish in Italy composed of real people, just like you and me and they go to their church to practice their beliefs. Now those people are victims of an unscrupulous group of people who lied to make money off of them and trampled on what they held sacred. And on TFP, we have people cheering, because they feel 'the church' deserves it. Well, inspite of whatever has been suffered by those present, they have not suffered one IOTA of harm from those people in that parish. So those people did NOT deserve this and the cheering ISN'T right. I say this as a person who has my own set of issues with the Catholic church hierarchy, but I can also understand with whom those issues lie.
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09-14-2003, 06:01 AM | #28 (permalink) |
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why is it that 'go forth and multiply" (have sex) is an okay thing to
tell the congregation, but pictures or films showing them how are not permitted? if a church is really god's house, then shouldn't his children have a right to use it as they would their own? who hasn't gotten a thrill having a little nookie in the parlor while the folks is out? |
09-14-2003, 06:45 AM | #29 (permalink) |
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Lebell,
Of course. What you are saying is clearly true. And you also know, I'm sure, that your discriminating views fall on many deaf ears. Such is the case with some people and their willingness to overlook the specifics of existential realities in order to operate from sets of general principles - however motivated - for good or for ill will toward institutions.
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09-14-2003, 09:38 AM | #31 (permalink) | |
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In my opinion: if you don't like the church, don't go. But don't be an asshole and try to fuck with it to piss off those who do like it.
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09-14-2003, 02:36 PM | #32 (permalink) |
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I've heard many Catholics have religion based fetishes due to the oppressive nature of the religion. The director was probably filling a demand like any business would. Porn is running out of ways to be dirty and this was bound to happen eventually. I think the innocents are hurt by the archaic and superstitious laws of the church more than the acts of the director.
Think on this: I would be willing to bet at least one of my testes that sexual acts have been performed in many churches at least once that have never been discovered. Now following the logic of the Catholic church that would mean even without proof of "defilement" all churches possibly are unfit to perform religious services given the law of averages that it has happened at some time in many churches. So where does this leave everyone who had a wedding in a defiled but undiscovered church? See what I'm getting at? It's like eating a sandwich with a bug in it...if you are unaware of the bug at all you won't get sick. The minute you see it is when it grosses you out. I think it's the promise of the people in the wedding that matters...they swear to their god to love honor etc; It doesn't really matter where they do it considering many weddings take place on unconsecrated ground such as a park or what have you. It's all crap to me. Bet you there's some kinda fee to get "remarried", haha.
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09-14-2003, 06:55 PM | #34 (permalink) |
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That's great.
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09-14-2003, 11:19 PM | #36 (permalink) |
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generally, i'm pretty neutral on such issues, but the fact that they thought it would be cool to film a porno in a CHURCH, Any church ...it's so disrespectful.
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09-15-2003, 09:41 PM | #37 (permalink) |
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Well thats a first A man and woman having sex in church and not A preist and boy hhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm
Sorry Just had to go there... Bad Bad Boy......
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09-15-2003, 09:52 PM | #38 (permalink) |
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I know of a pagan CHURCH where there is an anual festival that very much resembles an orgy- this is a bona fide recognized by the government as such tax exempt church too- most of them would not be concerned if a video was filmed- so long as everyone consented- so then the issue isn't so much about the sanctity or lack of, but rather the hijacking of the place of worship for purposes counter to those the congregation intended- while I think sex is quite cool and should be a normal part of an adults life, I feel that what was done in this case was wrong- and while I agree that most houses of worship have some form of clandestine nookie being gotten (I know a girl who lost her virginity to a Rabbi's son, on an altar) the idea that the director lied- and then proffited from what the congregation and church authorities viewed as desecration- sucks any way that I look at it
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09-17-2003, 12:09 PM | #39 (permalink) |
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Note: I read all previous posts before this one.
.....and this story IS indeed funny
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