IC3

The owner of the company I work for had a death in her family, Her Husband died on Sunday the 24th of August.

There were notices posted by the punchclock saying when and where the services for her Husband are gonna be.

When i read that notice...I kinda snickered like, Do you actually think any of your employee's care.

The managment of my work is asking everybody to keep her & her family in our prayers.

Well, Remember Sept 11th. One of my Co Workers Father was injured in New York that day..So he took off to new york to see his father.

When he got back he missed 2 days of work...And he asked the owner if there was any way that he could get paid for those 2 days that he took off to go see his father in new york...She said no.

How fucking Ignorant is that...This guys father was injured in The Sept 11th attacks on the World Trade centre..And that Bitch of an owner can't have a little bit of heart and pay the guy for 2 days.

Ya...I will go to her husbands funeral, Under 1 condition...I get paid for my shift...If not, Then I will be at work that day.

They treat us guys out on the floor like shit...But when something happens in one of the Managment's family they expect us to have open arms....Ya, Well fuck you Liz.

Mango

Doesn't that feel better?

Kaos

There's a big difference between being injured and being dead. I agree that the guy shouldn't be paid for the 2 days off.

I don't even know any jobs that you get paid days off for funerals.

The_Dude

i agree.

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IC3

I know there is a difference between Injury & Death...But They have no respect for the work we do for them on the floor...They always want more more...more.

It's just the fact that She is the owner and we have to listen to her all the time bitching about stupid things that she's not happy about.

I am sorry that her Husband Passed...But to actually think that the majority of Employees care...Well, They don't.

homerhop

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vermin

I used to have a job that included 1 paid day off for the funeral of an immediate family member. My grandfather was not considered immediate family, so I took the day off without pay. As for my feelings about the boss' family, I'm not paid to care so I don't.

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Rodney

It used to be different, long ago. My mom never graduated from high school, so even 40 and 50 years ago all she could get was jobs in industrial laundries. But I remember going to work with her at age 8 or 9 on days when she couldn't get child care and nobody said a thing. Used to sneak down on the floor and run around between the steam presses until somebody caught me.
I remember playing with the owner's kids and going over to his house to hang out. She eventually quit to raise us full time, but she went back several times over the years. All she had to do was call, and she had a job, even 20 years later.

Thing is, I don't think that old boss thought he was any better than any of the people who worked for him, just luckier, and he treated them accordingly. You don't see that so much anymore.

angela146

Yup, there's a big difference between injury and death: Caring for an injured father is covered by FMLA. You can use sick days in most cases. Death isn't.

cchris

We have Bereavement leave here in Australia and this entitles up to 2 days paid leave.(Depending on the industry).

The Boss always comes back early to get the job done.

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tinfoil

I see you are from Ontario. I also do a fair bit of the H.R. work here and if an immediate family member dies, you are granted three days off, PAID, by law.

I think it's like that all through Canada.

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Averett

I seriously need to move to Canada.

Completly off topic but.... From what I've heard, parents get $400 per month for their kids from the government? That true?

God forbid, if somebody in my family dies, I probably wont get squat from this company. Seeing as I'm still part time on paper, yet I've been working full time hours since last November. Good thing I made sure I got insurance before I agreed to be hired...

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Cynthetiq

we get 1 day for immediate family which includes grandparents.

I'll toot the horn one more time... difference between injured and dead.

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IC3

I could understand that if this guys father just got injured at work or something..Then i don't think he would have asked to be payed for the days off he missed...But his father was injured in one of the worst terrorist attacks ever...or was it THE worst Terrorist attack ever? I honestly don't know.

Ah well, I just think it's hilarious that they expect us to be by the owners side while she deals with her loss.

hobo

If employers had to pay employees every time they had an injured relative, they would lose a lot of money. That has a rippling effect that will eventually hurt a lot of people. Like you said, it was 2 days. If it wasn't a big deal, then you don't need to get mad that he didn't get the pay.

splck

I really don't see the difference between getting injured in Sept 11 or a car crash. An injury is an injury. Having a death in the family is completly different IMHO.
IC3, I understand you resentment towards your managment very much, having been in the same situation years ago. If you don't/didn't respect the dead person then don't go to the funeral, it's as simple as that.

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IC3

Don't get me wrong..I didn't make this thread to brag that the owner of the company's husband died and I don't care...I just think it's ignorant the way managment see's things when they aren't the ones putting up with all the shit that we have to put up with on the machines...Most of the times we know what the problems are and what we need them to do to fix it next time we do that same order on the machines...But they don't fix it..And they blame us when the product gets rejected by the customers.

Going off topic, it's just that they don't give a shit about us...But they act like we should give a shit about them...That's all.

Midnight_Son

my opinion on the matter is taken out of your own words :"she's the owner" sorry man but that's life.

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Cynthetiq

part of it all is to play the game. you may not like it, you may not like the person, but you play the game because it serves your best interest. maybe going to the funeral gives you some insight to their personal life, something you don't have any real idea about. maybe one day you'll be a manager and see that there are other things to balance with respect to what the workers want and need.

remember my goal as a manager is to get someone to work the most for the least amount of wages and tools, conversely as an employee I want to work for the most amount of wages for the least amount of aggravation and time.

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Wile E

Even forgetting what cyn said just now, even though he is completely correct, how are you looking at this so blindly? A woman lost her husband. If you don't have the heart or compassion to care about that, then don't attend. You were not given a direct order to attend but rather a notice of whats going on in case you wanted to be respectful and offer your support for the loss. This incident has nothing to do with what happened to your friends father on Sept 11. I lost friends, had others injured and seen many of the tradgedies surrounding the incident. And you know what, I went to work the next day, and the day after that. We chipped in on weekends, helped with blood donations and even helped with other charities, all on our time. Our bosses, companies had no responsibilty to do anything about it.

I think the best thing here would be to re-evaluate your opinions and possible resentment for the people above you and remember that you are all working together for the same goal. To make money.


*edit* I just realized the thread title. Seems kind of ironic, heh.

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lurkette

I agree with Wile E - you're comparing apples and oranges, and the resentment is really only hurting you. I don't think you need to go to the funeral, but recognize the difference between the death of a spouse and the injury of a family member, even if it did happen in as traumatic a circumstance as Sept 11.

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IC3

Well I will admit that you some what put me in my place...And yes I think that me not really caring about her loss does make me Ignorant...Actually that would make every Employee that works for her Ignorant.

I guess you have to be in the shoes of somebody that works for her to understand why we all feel this way.

Cynthetiq

I've worked under tyrant bosses. I've worked to finish projects within IMPOSSIBLE deadlines without the tools to get my job accomplished. I had my boss call me on Saturday asking why I didn't want to come into the office. Calling me every hour saying, "You complain you don't have enough money, but here I'm giving your more opportunity to make more and you don't want to come into work." I had my boss insist on housing me because he didn't want to pay me an adequate salary. I had to work with gloves and a sweater because the building was drafty during the winter time, sometimes snow would even blow into the windowsills. I had my boss insist on feeding me and paying for restaurants evern night after we worked at 14 hour shift only to not just want to eat but to discuss the day and go over issues and problems making my net day 16 hours. I had my boss insist on driving me to work because he didn't want to increase my salary to allow me to take public transportation.

But all that he put me through that mean I don't show the person some respect when one of his family members passed away. I did just did not attend services.

Obviously your lack of compassion for another's feelings shows your ignorance to life and interacting with others within society. IMHO each post you've made in this thread has been and example of my above statement.

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IC3

Because I don't have any feelings towards her loss, That makes me Ignorant towards life and Interacting with others in Society? I have never even held a conversation with this lady, The only way she knows my name is cause it's on my work shirt...I don't know her and she doesn't know me.

Yes it is too bad that she lost her husband, But I don't have any feelings towards her loss...But I do understand what she is going through.

I am the kind of guy who accepts death for what it is, It happens to everyone sooner or later...It's a part of life. Will I be sad when my mother or girlfriend or anybody else that is close to me passes...Yes, Cause they were close to me...death happens everyday...i am not the kind of guy who will grieve for days & Days over a loss.

I know it's gonna happen to everybody I know at any given time, it's something that i can't change..So I accept it. I just make the best of the time I spend with the people in my life...When they pass I say Goodbye and I think about the good times we had, keep them in my mind and heart and move on.

Ya i know...Most of you are probably thinking I am disturbed or a complete asshole...I can't change who I am...And I wouldn't even if I could.

I have already had 2 friends that have died..They were killed by a drunk driver..Ya I was sad, I just wish they could have gone in a more peacefull way than being hit by a car that ran a red light.

Anyways, Going off topic. just trying to say that I think I accept death better than most people I know...

I know what she is feeling...But I am not gonna have those feelings for somebody I don't know.

lurkette

So, you have no feelings for a woman who lost her husband, but you'll get all pissed at her on behalf of a friend's father's injury? I don't mean to pile on the IC3-bashing but it really does sound like you're being a bit cold. Regardless of how she treats her employees, she's a human being with emotions, and that you can't muster up the slightest bit of empathy, and in fact gloat a bit at her loss, strikes me as quite heartless and unthinking. Nobody's asking you to wear black and sob in public, but jeez, the slightest twinge of regret and sympathy on her behalf would at least be human.

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IC3

I said that I know what she is going through..I have been through it before...And I am sure some of you have too.

But I can't help that I have no feelings or emotions towards her loss...If that makes me Cold, Heartless, unthinking or unable to Interact with Society...Then so be it, I can't change it..So I will always be it.

Anyways, There's enough stuff posted in this thread for the whole of TFP to know that i am a cold Hearted asshole...So I guess this threads number is up.

absorbentishe

No, your not cold hearted, an asshole maybe? I am in management, and if someone needed time paid, they'd have to use vacation time. If I needed time off, I would have to use vacation. But berevement leave is 3 days paid for full time employees, and 1 day for part time. Rules are rules, and life isn't fair. When you work for a family owned business, the rules usually only apply to the working stiff. But what you don't see are all the hours the owner puts in after you leave, or before you get there. If they own the business, they rules don't apply to them.

IC3

The owner works 9 to 5...A regular day, Just like any other Office.

Slims

What does this have to do with ignorance?

Your boss is cold hearted, but that doesn't make her ignorant. Besides, from what you said, it doesn't seem like you will be paid to go to the funeral, so wheres the inequality in treatment?

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