Strange Famous

I know that this board is not as busy as previously, but I was surprised to see there is not already a discussion about this dispicable attack (or at least not that I can see)

If the murderer responsible had been a Muslim rather than a Nazi, I wonder if the global media would not be far more full of this story and this tragedy (not really meaning that in a disrespectful way to people here, but the way the West seems to see the world these days)

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Ourcrazymodern?

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Baraka_Guru

This is providing an awesome demonstration of what's wrong in the media and how instant communication can amplify that.

This was assumed (either subtly or definitively) by many major media outlets around the world to be Islamic terrorism. It has since been revealed—much to the embarrassment of news outlets from the NYT to the BBC to the Ottawa Citizen—that it was an act of terrorism in part against Islam—more specifically, against "multiculturalism" that "enables" the "Islamization" of Norway.

The horror is real, and its emotionally devastating what happened; however, this event reveals much about the state of information flows and prejudice and that, yes, terrorism works. It works far better than we could have ever imagined.

The omnipotence of Al Qaeda and meaninglessness of "Terrorism" - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com

So do we call this "extremism" instead of "terrorism"?

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hunnychile

This is such sad news for everyone world-wide.

I can hardly believe that someone this angry and insane would be an active terrorist in Norway. He killed kids at a camp. WTF!?!??: Why? Really, WHY?

And I have yet to understand which building he blew up in Oslo because they ticked him or seem off but, no doubt - it was affiliated with some cause He didn't agree with...

These are questions that won't have acceptable answers ever. What's this World coming to?

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MSD

He's a white nationalist who opposed immigration. He bombed the Prime Minister's office because the PM is from the (progressive) Labor Party and supports immigration. The bomber/shooter claims to be a member of the Knights Templar and to be fighting against Islamization and mixing of races in Europe. He called this his act of martyrdom and hoped that it would incite a race war.

Here is a book he sent to friends, it's 1500 pages of the ideology behind his beliefs and attacks. 2shared - download 2083+-+A+European+Declaration+of+Independence.docx

If you post anything from it or repost this link anywhere, please do not post the picture of him with his sister and stepmother, and ask others to do the same. They do not share his hateful ideology and do not deserve to be dragged into this; at one point he mentions that he feels it's unfortunate that his stepmother would likely be killed in an attack on Norway's immigration Deaprtment, but that he has to accept that casualty because she is a race traitor for allowing Muslims to immigrate to Norway.

roachboy

a more detailed article detailing the trail of horseshit that informed the mainstream press "coverage" of this tragedy:

How a clueless "terrorism expert" set media suspicion on Muslims after Oslo horror | The Electronic Intifada

bad enough this happened, but the idiotic press repeating horseshit made up by a self-appointed "terrorism expert" is really quite foul.

notice that many of the sources this guy referenced in support of his "war on islam" are mainstream reactionary "experts" like that racist idiot daniel pipes, who has such audience as he has as a function of the construction of this idiotic "war on terror".

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Baraka_Guru

Daniel Pipes? The Islamophobe Middle East expert?

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zenda

Hi

Looks like the link has been removed from the 2shared site.

Here is a working link:

http://politisktinkorrekt.info/wp-co...dependence.pdf

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The Rise of Right-Wing Extremism in Europe - Yahoo! News

Hopefully this isn't the start of a new Nazi party. Or the start of another Tea Party...

I wonder why he picked that target instead of a group of immigrants for instance?

MSD

The typical goal of terrorism is not simply to strike out against the targets, but to provoke a disproportionate reaction against those sympathetic to the perpetrator in order to radicalize moderates who find themselves harmed more by that disproportionate reaction than the terrorists' actions. Very little is as effective than killing innocent people, particularly children, in provoking a violent response.

This is why the proper reaction to terrorism is for level heads to prevail and ensure that retaliation is explicitly limited to seeking justice rather than revenge against those responsible for heinous acts.

samcol

comparing tea party and nazi's

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dlish

ive held back my thoughts on this since it broke. Im conflicted at this event, how it broke and why it happened.

my first initial thought was..oh no, not again.

The fllowed by the usual " i hope not...it better not be...."

Then followed by relief that it wasnt islamic terrorists, but in fact some form of demented christian terrorist gone mad. Not that that was any better. Both are dispicable cowards, but ive been sick to death of the shit muslims have been dragged through over the past decade whether they actually did carry things out or not. AQ is the bogeyman, and you can pin the tail on him. It doesnt matter where it sticks, as long as it sticks really. Thats the tale of AQ. They'll stick with us for a long time as long as journalists keep up their copy-paste exercise they call journalism.

I can understand MSD's reasoning for this guy targeting children and innocent people, but had he targeted immigrants, i dare say that he may well have caused a war.

with regards to what SF said, i kind of agree. Although this story is big news, it would be even bigger if there was a muslim involved.

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Ourcrazymodern?

Awe. Man, that is absolutely the most bigoted thing I've ever seen you post. The reasons any individual does such things are less important than that they do them.

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dlish

care to elaborate?

i didnt mean to come off as a bigot. Yeah, I guess it was harsh, but i think you know me well enough to know that my intention wasnt to sound like a douche. apologies if i did.

ill have to qualify that regardless of who did it, its without question morally wrong, and those that do it are scumbuckets who deserve whats coming.

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MSD

At this point, I'm not entirely convinced that al Qaeda exists as a coherent organization. There are certainly individuals who espouse AQ ideology, but as a whole "al Qaeda" in pop culture and media refers to anyone who the mainstream media and people in charge consider dangerous to deem to be enemies of western culture, whatever the hell that means.

roachboy

i dont think aq has existed from quite some time as a coherent organization. but it would be bad for business were too big a deal made of that. the blurring out of aq into islam in general--with plausible deniablity at every point, the the speciality of ultra-reactionary assholes like daniel pipes--who was previously, if memory serves, saying very similar things about the soviet union. the national security state requires an Enemy in order to maintain itself as a patronage system---that sounds anthropomorphic, doesn't it? didn't mean it quite, but the point is clear.

it's strange that the vast "anti-terrorism" surveillance apparatus did nothing to stop breivik, isn't it? perhaps the problem now is the same as it's always been---no system can stop what it isn't looking for. except maybe by chance. but chance isn't a system element. chance is on the order of a counter-factual--say breivik had blown himself up.

i think there's a real problem brewing with the neo-fascist right both in europe and the united states. i have no idea how it will play out, but it seems to me clear. somehow fascism has been normalized--or at least made a viable alternative--in places where it is named as such. in the united states, where it isn't, it's been integrated into mainstream conservatism. again. this is **not** to say that all conservatives are neo-fascist. but some on the far right are. american style. the old rugged cross and waving flags, mainstreet u.s.a. fascism.

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ASU2003

I'm surprised they didn't stop the bomb or evacuate as well. There are detectors around the Capitol and White House here...

The big problem is the soft targets. Israel might be the best at protecting them, but it isn't as easy problem.


If you look at the past 20 years starting with Tim McVeigh blowing up the Oklahoma City government building, leading to increasing anti-gov/anti-illegal immigrant militia numbers, leading to them blaming others for economic problems in their lives (or giving away their tax dollars), leading to increased ratings for talk radio and a TV news network catering to their version of the story, leading to support from companies and industries that are against regulation, and then the growth of a political party by the media because they are more interesting than the boring 3rd parties. You get to where we are today. A large powerful group would be willing to round up any illegal immigrant and send them back home. How much of a stretch is it to save money to make them work, don't feed them much, and gas a few that try and escape or cause trouble? How many Americans would be against this?