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Tilted Cat Head
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Location: Manhattan, NY
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Why is it wrong? It's just people on the internet...
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If you lie in a community you lie in a community. It harms a community and it harms the individuals of that community. It may not be apparent, but are lies really even apparent in the harm that they commit to the individual or the community? I don't think that there is any way to track quantitative or qualitative methods of figuring that out. What is apparent is that anyone with a conscience does also get harmed as can be seen here in this article. This isn't the first time that someone lied on the internet, it won't be the last.
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#2 (permalink) |
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I must be a fucked up person then, because I don't have a problem with her doing this at all. It's her twitter feed, it's her blog. She can write whatever the fuck she wants. This kind of reminds me of the book "Choke."
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Location: My head.
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"I feel emotionally exploited"
Such fuckin' bullshit. This right here is why we have wars, famine and hunger. People take their damn lives way too fucking seriously. This makes me angry. Not because the OP lied, but because of the reaction. Look at them so outraged and shocked!! Motherfuckers. There is a reason why we internalize our thoughts and feelings. If you go through an ordeal, let your friends and family know. Not the whole world. So if you learn someone else has gone through the same thing, sympathize and leave it at that!! This also brings me to something else, what kind of moron has such a high sense of self worth to believe that he should be offended by anything that he doesn't stand for?? The world needs to come to terms with: you're not fucking special, now get back to work DISCLAIMER: I'm a regular human being and I do make mistakes but I sign up on ANONYMOUS online forums in order to be brutally honest about myself. I don't lie but My blog, my right to write whatever I want!! |
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#5 (permalink) |
Forming
Location: ....a state of pure inebriation.
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I was actually thinking that myself.
I agree that it's her right to write whatever she wants in her blog, but that also means she needs to take responsibility for what she wrote.
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Psycho: By Choice
Location: dd.land
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While I have not read "Choke," I completely agree with you. And I must admit I'm a little confused (and frightened) by how attached the rest of the world got with her story/blog.
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Forming
Location: ....a state of pure inebriation.
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She told a lie to a lot of people and allowed them to care about her. People went out of their way to help her under false pretenses.
She's at least responsible for an apology...
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Sitting in a tree
Location: Atlanta
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People who become so passionate about some forum or another's blog or what not need to step away from the computer for a while. Their obsession only fuels the troll / blogger, etc. to keep it up. Maybe even step it up a few notches. It's great to have interests and what not on the internet, but when it involves others' personal lives, always use caution. Always. I tend to keep my contact with people online for entertainment purposes only. Rarely anything more.
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Junkie
Location: San Francisco
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Welcome to the Internet. Do enjoy your stay!
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Insane
Location: Over the rainbow . .
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I don't think it's wrong.
If you have a successful blog that people are following, does it matter if it's true? I think most personal blogs contain an element of exaggeration or expansion of the truth to make it more interesting. I mean really, how many people write a personal blog that you aren't related to that is interesting? Most real lives aren't worth blogging. I mean my sister in law writes a blog about her 3 year old daughter. I have to confess, I don't really care what the daughter said while tinkling after removing her Dora the Explorer panties. Ugh. Maybe if all the followers weren't anti-abortion zealots they would not have gotten hung up in the story. But it is a story in the end. If you follow a personal blog, you have to take what you read with a grain of salt. It may not have been a nice thing to do, but I don't think it's necessarily "wrong". |
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Leaning against the -Sun-
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Location: on the other side
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It's her blog to write what she wants. It's not nice that she deceived people and accepted their gifts. I understand that she was trying to cope with something and needed someone to care.
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Whether we write or speak or do but look We are ever unapparent. What we are Cannot be transfused into word or book. Our soul from us is infinitely far. However much we give our thoughts the will To be our soul and gesture it abroad, Our hearts are incommunicable still. In what we show ourselves we are ignored. The abyss from soul to soul cannot be bridged By any skill of thought or trick of seeming. Unto our very selves we are abridged When we would utter to our thought our being. We are our dreams of ourselves, souls by gleams, And each to each other dreams of others' dreams. Fernando Pessoa, 1918 |
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Location: ❤
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Reminds me of good ol' Fibber Mcgee.
Whatever motives drove this woman towards fabrication, might have been quite apparent to those who know her well, and were quickly seen through, perhaps. Thinly veiled references...quite the scarf dance. Last edited by ring; 06-14-2009 at 04:02 PM.. Reason: spelling |
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They sent her money after she'd already been outed as a hoax. Those people, while they may have been deceived previously knew exactly who they were sending money to.
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Junkie
Location: San Francisco
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If she deliberately misrepresented herself for the purpose of having people send her money, I'd think it could constitute fraud. If she just wrote up this sob story on a blog and people sent her money, then she's not necessarily responsible.
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Sitting in a tree
Location: Atlanta
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Ever heard of SaveToby.com? Dude basically said buy my overpriced merchandise - donate money to me. If I don't get $50,000 (or something,) I'm going to eat the bunny. I personally thought it was brilliant so I bought a mug and a hoodie lol. But he essentially made his cash. And Toby was 'saved.' |
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Junkie
Location: Louisville, KY
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What, you mean people on the Internet aren't always who they say they are? I am SHOCKED!
But in all seriousness....other than the whole money/gift thing, who the hell cares? Why do people make themselves so vulnerable that they can feel emotionally exploited by something like this?
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But You'll Never Prove It.
Location: under your bed
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I think what she did was wrong.
She deliberately lied to/deceived/mislead people. I think that is wrong, whether or not many of her readers care too much, were obsessed, are gullible, or seriously needed to get a life. According to Mc Kinney's blog my charming kids: an update on April Rose (the woman who was approached by Beushausen to promote the misleading blog) people sent Beushausen money and gifts. If this is true, I hope someone at least tries to go after her legally for accepting these under false pretenses. I'm not sure how she would have received them without giving the person some kind of an address. That doesn't sound like an innocent recipient to me. Maybe you can write whatever you want to in your blog, but in cases like this I think they deserve negative repercussions. I would love to hear what she said.
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Location: Kramerica
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I don't understand the readers' reactions after they find out the stories weren't true. This woman created a community where people could come together and share stories of hardship while offering support for one another... that sounds pretty good to me. But now that they learned that the OP's stories weren't true, it's meaningless?
Didn't this same thing happen with Oprah's book club? Some guy wrote a "true" story that everyone loved and praised, but when they found out that it wasn't entirely based in reality they shunned him for "emotional exploitation". What?! Isn't the story still a good story? You just said so yourself. Apparently stories must be 100% true for us to enjoy them or learn anything from them.
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will always be an Alyson Hanniganite
Location: In the dust of the archives
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Big deal. There are much more pressing matters in this world, than someone *GASP* lying on the damn internet. The only problem that I would have with it would be if it were done with the intent of financial gain. If she did it with the intent to deceive people out of money...then I have a problem with it. Otherwise...not so much.
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Wow, imagine how angry religious people are going to be when they find out they have been lied to for thousands of years, and sent in money during that time. I mean, talk about the greatest story ever sold. Imagine if mohammed or a pope had had twitter. Someone with a real gift for selling and storytelling.
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Location: France
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I've toyed with the idea of making a fake blog. I'm not into blogging, but creating a character that way could be cool. By the way, there's nothing wrong with it. Nowhere in a blog service's Terms Of Use does it say that your posts have to be truthful. If you're gonna believe everything a blog says and take it to heart, you might as well sign up for every penis enlargement method and send half your salary to Nigeria.
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We work alone
Location: Cake Town
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She didn't do anything wrong. I mean, I think she should send the things and money back, but why feel guilty for people who believed a story on the internet? She was writing and it wasn't her fault so many people got attracted to her story.
With the internet being as accessible and feature filled as it is now, it is understandable how some people do not differentiate the internet from the real life, but being "emotionally exploited" is nobody's fault but the persons' who feels that way. I've been lied to on the internet. hell, I had an ongoing "internet friendship" with a person whose entire life story was a lie. Sure it was weird after he admitted it, but it didn't bring my world down. It's internet. All I see are screen names.
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I Confess a Shiver
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Pfft, my whole TFP existence is a lie and I don't see anybody here heartbroken about it.
... These people need to pull their collective heads outta their brainwashed-by-soap-opera asses. Whatever they did is their own fault. This person is a douchebag but far from a criminal. What's next? Fining Maddox for having a tacky website where he insults people? Last edited by Plan9; 06-15-2009 at 03:48 PM.. |
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comfortably numb...
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