Martian

Susan Kleiner is awesome. She really knows what she's talking about.

I like how the OP posts his plan, gets a vast number of responses explaining in detail exactly how and why it's a bad idea and what he should be doing instead, and then comes back to let us all know that he's going to ignore us and do his own thing anyway.

What's really frustrating about this pattern is that it happens all the freakin' time.

Fuck up your body, then. I don't have to live with the consequences and couldn't give two shits what you do. When you finish your '30 days of hell' and blow up like a balloon (assuming you don't flame out before then), I'll be here to say I told you so.

You can't fix months or years of irresponsible behaviour in a few weeks. Life just doesn't work that way.

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I get through cryin' and I'm sadder than before I wept
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I get through speakin' and I can't remember, not a word that I said

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redwings

martian,
i am not ignoring your posts. my OP was created after i began my crazy routine. go back and read it. it was about how my calfs were hurting due to running too often.

i did listen to you about the running. i took a couple days off and am running softer runs every other day. my calorie intake has also increased.


at this point all i can do is work my way back to a healthy level of diet and exercise and try to maintain it. what else am i supposed to do? just sit back and watch my stomach inflate?

i have gained alot of knowlegde about health and weight loss from everyone and i thank you all for the help, but unfortunetly i cant go back and change anything.

Martian

That's not what you indicated in your last post when you said:

Nowhere in there did you indicate that you planned on changing your regimen to incorporate a healthier diet and more moderate exercise, or that you intended to scale back to a healthy level of weight loss. In fact, you stated flat out that you disagreed with the rest of the posters in this thread.

If you intend to do those things, then good for you. If not, then I refer you to my above post.

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I wake up in the morning more tired than before I slept
I get through cryin' and I'm sadder than before I wept
I get through thinkin' now, and the thoughts have left my head
I get through speakin' and I can't remember, not a word that I said

- Ben Harper, Show Me A Little Shame

snowy

Trust me, it won't.

Truly healthy diet (as in what you eat, not a thing you go on to lose weight) and exercise results in weight loss. I sum up my lifestyle change--because it isn't a diet, it's a lifestyle change--in one easy to remember phrase: Eat more fiber and move your ass. Meaning, eat a lot of food with reasonable to high fiber content (ie fruits and veggies, carbs with high fiber like whole wheat bread, high fiber cereal, oatmeal, Clif bars) and move your ass (exercise). But don't go overboard. The Buddha was right when he taught about the Middle Way--all things, including eating well and exercising--should be done in moderation.

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highthief

Funny, my reaction was "guy asks advice about running, some TFPers respond calmly and politely, while others tell him he is a fucking moron, so he rightly gets a little defensive".

Seriously, some people on the thread gave the guy good advice, and some just showed up to make fun of him.

What's really frustrating about this pattern is that it happens all the freakin' time.

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Martian

I could see how that would be frustrating. I must be missing all of the threads where it occurs.

I don't insult or attack individuals. It's my opinion that insults are a refuge of ignorance; if someone's calling me stupid, it's because they have no viable way to counter my arguments and are unwilling to admit they're wrong.

On the other hand, I have no problem with criticizing a person's actions and/or intentions. If I think someone is acting in a way that is stupid or irresponsible, I'm going to call them on it. As far as I'm concerned, I'm not obligated to be nice about it.

Now, if someone is doing something ill-advised out of sheer ignorance, I will probably try to correct that ignorance in the kindest way possible. However, when someone solicits my advice and then flat out tells me they're going to ignore it because they don't like the answer and don't want to accept the consequences of their actions, I'm going to take that as a show of disrespect. At that point, I don't feel that there's any need for me to coddle that person.

If you don't want me to tell you that you're doing something stupid, then don't do something stupid. It seems pretty clear cut to me.

I've never claimed to be a nice guy. In fact, I freely admit that I'm not.

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I wake up in the morning more tired than before I slept
I get through cryin' and I'm sadder than before I wept
I get through thinkin' now, and the thoughts have left my head
I get through speakin' and I can't remember, not a word that I said

- Ben Harper, Show Me A Little Shame

Shauk

it gets old, by the way

Martian

Which does -- not being nice, or admitting it?

If it's the latter, I feel the need to point out that I wouldn't bring it up so often if people didn't seem to think it necessary to point out that I'm being mean. I know that what I say is often not exactly warm and fuzzy. It's the result of simple direct honesty combined with my sarcastic sense of humour. Regardless, when people tell me I'm being mean my standard response is to point out that I've never claimed that I would be anything different. Cause and effect, my good man.

If it's the former, well that's just the way I am. I am a generous and caring person, but I don't feel the need to spare anyone's feelings. Given that everyone here is hypothetically an adult, I don't think anyone should need me to.

I used to be a nice guy. The sort of guy who would never dream of being rude or disrespectful. I found out through experience that it's not all it's cracked up to be. I got tired of people not listening to me, people trying to take advantage of me, people being rude or disrespectful to me. I got tired of watching people over and over as they created these bad situations and then complained about them as if they were someone else's fault. I firmly believe that one of the biggest problems in the western world is that so few people are willing to take responsibility for their own actions. It creates a society where it's necessary to put a warning label on a hair dryer to tell people not to use it in the bath. It's stupid and it's a problem and I refuse to be a party to it.

Like I said, I don't call people names. I will never tell you you're an idiot. I will never tell you you're stupid, or immature or anything else for that matter. What I will do is point out when you're acting that way. It may seem like a subtle distinction, but it's significant for the simple fact that if you take steps to correct said behaviour I will show you nothing but respect.

I'm aware that being the 'honest to a fault' guy probably isn't winning me a lot of admirers. I know it's not likely to make me popular. These things are not a priority for me. I have my friends, and enough of them that I figure I must be doing something right. The opinion of the rest of the world at large is irrelevant, so far as I'm concerned.

And that's pretty much all I have to say about that.

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I wake up in the morning more tired than before I slept
I get through cryin' and I'm sadder than before I wept
I get through thinkin' now, and the thoughts have left my head
I get through speakin' and I can't remember, not a word that I said

- Ben Harper, Show Me A Little Shame

highthief

Not to get overly tied up in this, but do you really think there is a difference between someone bluntly calling someone an idiot and someone doing it in a more subtle manner? All it means is the second person probably has a slighter largely vocabulary than the first person.

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uncle phil

and the last four or five posts address the OP in what manner?

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The_Jazz

Awesome advice, snowy.

redwings, do you know who else tried to do what you're doing? Concentration camp prisoners in Germany and the Soviet Union in the 40's. This isn't a Godwin argument - it's the fact that calories were carefully documented in both systems and allocated based on production. 700 calories/day is starvation rations.

You seem to have kindofsortof heeded our advice about running, so that's definitely a step in the right direction, but you need to listen to the advice of the folks in this thread. The thing about your diet is that you can change it immediately and fix the problems. I came back to this thread to suggest a multivitamin if you aren't already taking one, but it looks like you might be starting to realize that you can do yourself permanent harm if you keep this up.

As I've already mentioned, I spent a lot of time running in my younger days (I'm 37 now). I learned that the human body - in particular, mine - is capable of amazing things. If you give it the tools to properly recuperate, you can overload the system day after day until it adapts to that load. Getting out for a run is only the first accomplishment in the series here. If you really want to start losing weight and getting in serious shape, then you eventually need to start increasing both your distance and speed. Nothing will melt the pounds off you like a week of 6-8 mile runs at 6:00/mile or under pace (if you're physically capable of it). One of the things your body will start to do in those conditions is to start to burn fat not only for energy but as a survival measure to decrease the impact of your footstrike. You're looking for the quick and easy way, and I think most people here are telling you that the method you've chosen is not only not quick and easy but potentially dangerous. Increase your calorie intake and pay closer attention to what your body is trying to tell you.

And don't mind Martian. He's the youngest crumudgeon you'll ever meet. I'm shocked he hasn't yelled at you to get off his lawn yet.

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Martian

What's a crumudgeon? Is it like a curmudgeon?

And oh, you best believe if I ever catch those dang kids on my lawn, there's gonna be some yelling.

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I wake up in the morning more tired than before I slept
I get through cryin' and I'm sadder than before I wept
I get through thinkin' now, and the thoughts have left my head
I get through speakin' and I can't remember, not a word that I said

- Ben Harper, Show Me A Little Shame

ring

After the cur that has bludgeoned you...he's enjoying the left over crumbs:

'crumudgeon'.

sorry for the thread Jill..carry on...

freefire

Like many others have mentioned, shoes are one of the most important parts that involve running and staying healthy. Keep in mind, shoes that you've had for awhile, even just walking about, will create compression in the sole and thus reduce the shock absorbing quality of even high $$ equipment.

The 1st thing I'd recommend would be to get a high performance shoe insert, keep in mind the added thickness will require you to loosen the laces to accommodate. Most shoes come with a cheapo version of an insert, trash it, and upgrade.

2nd I would be concerned with what surface you're running on. Concrete, asphalt, and other hard materials can play havoc on your knees, feet, and structure. Choose running on grass, dirt, or something else to provide extra cushioning.

3rd and most important, stretch alot! I don't know how old you are, but anyone and everyone needs to prepare their muscles for activity. Start by warming up at an easy jog for 3-5 min, to get the blood pumping, don't push it, just get that heart rate above resting levels.

Then, make sure to hold a moderate to deep stretching position for at least 20-30sec each for the leg muscle groups(quads, tri's, groin,and calves), back, shoulders, arms, and even neck.

Do this before your run, as well has have a cool down jog of about twice the amount of warm up, followed by stretching afterwards.

*Disclaimer* Even though I ran distance and competed on the state-wide level for many years, I am in no ways a doctor or sports professional, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...LOL!