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MSD · 06-26-2003, 09:57 AM

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...356819,00.html

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OZ KANGAROO CULL

The Australian army has been given the go-ahead to kill 15,000 kangaroos in the state of Victoria.

The move is aimed at preventing over-grazing at a rural army base.

The Defence Department said 103,782 acres of land, home to the army's Puckapunyal training ground, was being threatened by the kangaroos.

Brigadier Mike Hannan said approval to slaughter the animals followed a census in April which found 36,000 kangaroos on the base.

Environmental consultants advised the area could only sustain 10,000 during the present drought, Mr Hannan said.

"The problem is one of environmental degradation and the kangaroos themselves suffer pretty badly once all the food is gone for them," he said.

"We don't want this area to be a dust bowl, it is not a realistic training environment."

Mr Hannan added that licensed shooters would kill an initial 6,500 eastern gray kangaroos.

Another count would be made at the end of August before a decision was made to continue the killings.

More than 20,000 eastern gray kangaroos - many of them starving - were killed by professional shooters at the base last year.

The Victorian Department of Environment and Sustainability approved the killings after the kangaroos overbred and destroyed much of the area's vegetation.

Animal activists have reacted angrily, saying poor management practices have led to the population problem.

Animal Liberation Australia spokeswoman Rheya Linden vowed to organise protests.

"Kangaroo numbers are severely reduced, not only because of the slaughter last year but because the drought has taken its toll as it has on wildlife everywhere," she said.

-Last Updated: 12:18 UK, Wednesday June 25, 2003

Imagine all the piles of kangaroo shit lying around.

Halx · 06-26-2003, 10:06 AM

I'm not sure where I stand on this. First, you can automatically throw out their reason for doing this in the first place because nature has a way of correcting itself. Second, the whole ecosystem could be thrown off balance by this. Third, WTF do I care? They're kangaroos, not people.

mtsgsd · 06-26-2003, 10:26 AM

Nature can't keep up with the way we keep screwing it around though. First they introduced rabbits, which bred out of control because there were not enough natural enemies. I think that's where the dingo came in but I'm not sure.

Now there's too many kangaroos and

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"The problem is one of environmental degradation and the kangaroos themselves suffer pretty badly once all the food is gone for them," he said.

"We don't want this area to be a dust bowl, it is not a realistic training environment."

Nature can takes years or decades or more to correct itself, but that doesn't work when we're involved. I wonder if we're also responsible for the opportunity to overbreed?

dimbulb · 06-26-2003, 10:45 AM

there are too many kangaroos because they are protected from their natural predators and man, the ultimate predator isn't allowed to hunt them.

It's probably a good idea to cull the kangaroos. It's like having too many sheep, and goats eating all the vegetation down to their roots, causing soil erosion and general damage to the environment. better to cull now, than to watch them die from starvation in the near future.

Redirect · 06-26-2003, 11:06 AM

although it would be inhumane to kill them, we should find a way to make kangaroo meat as edible as cow............mmm mmmm mmm hey mom can i have another slice of pouch?

Mad_Gecko · 06-26-2003, 12:12 PM

Well I believe the Abbo's have been eatin' kanga's for years. Probably B4 the first Euro's learned how to act semi civil

.

Anyway I think the key point was the DOD saying "103,782 acres of land, home to the army's Puckapunyal training ground, was being threatened by the kangaroos." I want to know how the Army of Australia was "threatened" by Kangaroos? Have they got WMD's??? For fucks sake a Nuclear Bomb got let off in one of the north eastern territories by the same people who released Sarin in Tokyo's subway's and they barely registered it.

Questions, questions, but few answers.... Any Ozzie out there got an answer?

denim · 06-26-2003, 12:15 PM

"They're comin' right for us!"

figgles · 06-26-2003, 06:30 PM

Actually some bright spark crossed the dna of a roo with an elephant in order to slow them down and make them easier to catch.Jusy left bloody big holes all over Victoria.

Meridae'n · 06-26-2003, 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by Halx
I'm not sure where I stand on this. First, you can automatically throw out their reason for doing this in the first place because nature has a way of correcting itself. Second, the whole ecosystem could be thrown off balance by this. Third, WTF do I care? They're kangaroos, not people.

If we let nature 'correct' itself, then there would be a hell of a lot of kangaroos slowly dying, and when they doo that, they wander into urban areas... by the hundreds.

For starters i'll tell you this. We're not talking about cute cuddly kiddies toys here... kangaroos are big fuckers. They stand as tall as a man and are much stronger, and far angrier.

It's not our fault they've overbred. There's 19 million of the bastards in Australia at the moment, mostly because just before the drought started, there were rare optimal conditions in the heartland of OZ, and noone was allowed to shoot them. Now there's a drought on, there all heading south to graze on important monocultures... and we can't have that.

I'm living not that far from Puckapunyal at the moment, and i can tell you there are thousands of the fuckers around. I can tell you this cause you can't drive faster than 80 km/h at night here at the moment... if you hit one of those things, your fucked.

You don't believe they're threatened? Try sizing up to one of those bastards... they'd rip you to shreds. I've lost countless dogs to Kangaroos when i was young. Believe me, if you have big buck kangaroos hopping through urban areas, you have problems.

By the way, we do eat roos, just not wild ones... too many diseases.

The answer to P'Punyal's problem? Shoot 'em all...

Meridae'n · 06-26-2003, 08:03 PM

PS. It's only Victoria... noone really cares

lt1s10 · 06-26-2003, 08:29 PM

Are there natural predators for kangaroos? I've seen them before I know they are pretty big and can get pretty nasty too.

I think that it's better to thin the herd then to have them slowly dying and decaying (possibly in urban areas). If they naturally correct themselves then disease, disposal, and other problems could arise.

Meridae'n · 06-27-2003, 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by lt1s10
Are there natural predators for kangaroos?

As far as i know, only the Dingo, which, does a piss poor job anyway, plus there are bugger-all of them left.

We can't shoot them anymore (legally) so, no, there aren't any...

bundy · 06-27-2003, 03:13 AM

i grudgingly support this culling.

while i wish the effort that was going into this culling was being redirected towards feral animal problems such as buffalo, cane toad and pigs, i realise that this is definitely not an endangered species and overpopulation like this greatly harms the ecosystem as a whole.

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Originally posted by Mad_Gecko
For fucks sake a Nuclear Bomb got let off in one of the north eastern territories by the same people who released Sarin in Tokyo's subway's and they barely registered it.

huh?

hrdwareguy · 06-27-2003, 07:22 AM

Hey, now McDonalds can have a new meat source.

MSD · 06-27-2003, 02:38 PM

Someone run that Nuke part past me again. I missed something here.

bundy · 06-27-2003, 05:01 PM

MSD, the only time Nukes have gone off in Australia was during the British testing, 50 years ago!

i´ve no idea what Geckos talking about.

north eastern territories?
a japanese cult with Nukes?
blowing them up in Australia?

Gecko, where did that all come from??

monty121052 · 06-27-2003, 07:16 PM

Having worked on an army base(Myambat)near Denman a couple of years ago I know first hand of the problem with over population of roos in a fairly dry area.We had to constantly kill roos that were to weak to fend for themselves thus dying of starvation,and that was by bludgoning them to death with a tyre lever or what ever else was handy.As this area was an ammo dump no fire arms were alowed on the base,the only real way to control the problem is by culling by professional shooters.
Kangaroo meat that goes through the same process that beef and sheep do sells in australia for about $18A a kilo and is extremly health meat with little or no fat contenet.

OzOz · 06-28-2003, 12:55 AM

I'm curious about Mad_Gecko's comment as well.

monty121052 · 06-28-2003, 06:53 PM

Maralinga in South Australia was used by the British and Australian army for the testing of nuclear bombs and radiation fall-out in the mid fourties.There has never been anything but testing done in Australia.

Fly · 06-28-2003, 08:54 PM

right mate...let's fro somm roo on da barbie

OROIT · 06-28-2003, 09:13 PM

roos are a pest in many parts of OZ
i have lost count of how many i have cleaned up in different cars i have owned over the years.
oh and you can buy Roo meat in supermarkets now.

james t kirk · 06-29-2003, 05:24 AM

I had no idea that kangaroos were vicious.

You somehow picture them as cute little buggers hopping around with big brown eyes and boxing with Sylvester.

Why is it that every species population in Australia seems to go wild (rabbits, dingos, kangaroos)?

You guys want a few racoons by the way?????? (We've got tons of the pesky buggers.)

Maybe you need some good Canadian wolves to take care of your "roo" problems. Never mind these piddly little "dingos"

Nothing like a good grey wolf to set things straight

Meridae'n · 06-29-2003, 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by james t kirk
Why is it that every species population in Australia seems to go wild (rabbits, dingos, kangaroos)?

Because they're wild animals?? The only places that kangaroos are friendly are zoos, cartoons, and the Deniliquin Golf Club...

vermin · 06-29-2003, 05:28 PM

If it's an army training ground, why not train the soldiers using live targets (the kangaroos). They could plot strategy using the latest hi-tech recon devices i.e. satellite photos, UAVs. Then mount an offensive using tanks, artillery, mechanized infantry and air strikes.

Phaenx · 06-29-2003, 05:43 PM

I'm about to wage genocide on geese here sooner or later. Dirty animals, way to many of them around here.

PHYcos · 06-29-2003, 10:28 PM

I live around there and I can say that when you have 4 kangaroos in your yard, a few bullets does the job

06-26-2003, 10:06 AM	#2 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	I'm not sure where I stand on this. First, you can automatically throw out their reason for doing this in the first place because nature has a way of correcting itself. Second, the whole ecosystem could be thrown off balance by this. Third, WTF do I care? They're kangaroos, not people. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

06-26-2003, 12:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mad_Gecko Pro Libertate Location: City Gecko	Well I believe the Abbo's have been eatin' kanga's for years. Probably B4 the first Euro's learned how to act semi civil . Anyway I think the key point was the DOD saying "103,782 acres of land, home to the army's Puckapunyal training ground, was being threatened by the kangaroos." I want to know how the Army of Australia was "threatened" by Kangaroos? Have they got WMD's??? For fucks sake a Nuclear Bomb got let off in one of the north eastern territories by the same people who released Sarin in Tokyo's subway's and they barely registered it. Questions, questions, but few answers.... Any Ozzie out there got an answer? __________________ [color=bright blue]W[/color]e Stick To Glass "If three of us travel together, I shall find two teachers." Confucious

06-26-2003, 08:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
Meridae'n Loose Cunt Location: North Bondi RSL	PS. It's only Victoria... noone really cares __________________ What's easier to believe: that a guy was born without sex in the manner of several Greek demigods and grew up to be able to transmute liquids and alter his body density yet couldn't escape government execution, or that three freemasons in a vehicle made with aluminum foil in an era before digital technology escaped our atmosphere, landing on the moon, broadcasted from there, and then flew back without burning up?

06-27-2003, 07:22 AM	#14 (permalink)
hrdwareguy "Officer, I was in fear for my life" Location: Oklahoma City	Hey, now McDonalds can have a new meat source. __________________ Gun Control is hitting what you aim at Aim for the TFP, Donate Today

06-27-2003, 05:01 PM	#16 (permalink)
bundy . Location: Tokyo	MSD, the only time Nukes have gone off in Australia was during the British testing, 50 years ago! i´ve no idea what Geckos talking about. north eastern territories? a japanese cult with Nukes? blowing them up in Australia? Gecko, where did that all come from?? __________________ Ohayo!!!

06-26-2003, 10:45 AM	#4 (permalink)
dimbulb Riiiiight........	there are too many kangaroos because they are protected from their natural predators and man, the ultimate predator isn't allowed to hunt them. It's probably a good idea to cull the kangaroos. It's like having too many sheep, and goats eating all the vegetation down to their roots, causing soil erosion and general damage to the environment. better to cull now, than to watch them die from starvation in the near future.

06-26-2003, 11:06 AM	#5 (permalink)
Redirect Loser Location: Chicago	although it would be inhumane to kill them, we should find a way to make kangaroo meat as edible as cow............mmm mmmm mmm hey mom can i have another slice of pouch?

06-26-2003, 12:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
denim Banned Location: Massachusetts, USA	"They're comin' right for us!"

06-26-2003, 06:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
figgles Upright	Actually some bright spark crossed the dna of a roo with an elephant in order to slow them down and make them easier to catch.Jusy left bloody big holes all over Victoria.

06-26-2003, 08:29 PM	#11 (permalink)
lt1s10 Crazy	Are there natural predators for kangaroos? I've seen them before I know they are pretty big and can get pretty nasty too. I think that it's better to thin the herd then to have them slowly dying and decaying (possibly in urban areas). If they naturally correct themselves then disease, disposal, and other problems could arise.

06-27-2003, 02:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	Someone run that Nuke part past me again. I missed something here.

06-27-2003, 07:16 PM	#17 (permalink)
monty121052 Insane Location: Newcastle-Australia	Having worked on an army base(Myambat)near Denman a couple of years ago I know first hand of the problem with over population of roos in a fairly dry area.We had to constantly kill roos that were to weak to fend for themselves thus dying of starvation,and that was by bludgoning them to death with a tyre lever or what ever else was handy.As this area was an ammo dump no fire arms were alowed on the base,the only real way to control the problem is by culling by professional shooters. Kangaroo meat that goes through the same process that beef and sheep do sells in australia for about $18A a kilo and is extremly health meat with little or no fat contenet.

06-28-2003, 12:55 AM	#18 (permalink)
OzOz Psycho Location: Right here, right now.	I'm curious about Mad_Gecko's comment as well. __________________ Maybe you should put some shorts on or something, if you wanna keep fighting evil today.

06-28-2003, 06:53 PM	#19 (permalink)
monty121052 Insane Location: Newcastle-Australia	Maralinga in South Australia was used by the British and Australian army for the testing of nuclear bombs and radiation fall-out in the mid fourties.There has never been anything but testing done in Australia.

06-28-2003, 08:54 PM	#20 (permalink)
Fly see the links to my music? Location: Beautiful British Columbia	right mate...let's fro somm roo on da barbie __________________ BASTARD SterlingStudios

06-28-2003, 09:13 PM	#21 (permalink)
OROIT Upright Location: The Land Down Under	roos are a pest in many parts of OZ i have lost count of how many i have cleaned up in different cars i have owned over the years. oh and you can buy Roo meat in supermarkets now.

06-29-2003, 05:24 AM	#22 (permalink)
james t kirk Junkie Location: Toronto	I had no idea that kangaroos were vicious. You somehow picture them as cute little buggers hopping around with big brown eyes and boxing with Sylvester. Why is it that every species population in Australia seems to go wild (rabbits, dingos, kangaroos)? You guys want a few racoons by the way?????? (We've got tons of the pesky buggers.) Maybe you need some good Canadian wolves to take care of your "roo" problems. Never mind these piddly little "dingos" Nothing like a good grey wolf to set things straight Last edited by james t kirk; 06-29-2003 at 05:26 AM..

06-29-2003, 05:28 PM	#24 (permalink)
vermin Indifferent to anti-matter Location: Tucson, AZ	If it's an army training ground, why not train the soldiers using live targets (the kangaroos). They could plot strategy using the latest hi-tech recon devices i.e. satellite photos, UAVs. Then mount an offensive using tanks, artillery, mechanized infantry and air strikes. __________________ If puns were sausages, this would be the wurst.

06-29-2003, 05:43 PM	#25 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	I'm about to wage genocide on geese here sooner or later. Dirty animals, way to many of them around here. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

06-29-2003, 10:28 PM	#26 (permalink)
PHYcos Crazy	I live around there and I can say that when you have 4 kangaroos in your yard, a few bullets does the job __________________ -All women are 2 drinks away from a GIRL-ON-GIRL adventure!-