GUYS!!! I need your help? PLEASE!?

[mandy]

I know this is a bit long you guys but i really need you so please, if you've got the time, please read and reply???

Ok, so a coupla days ago, i received an email from a company called Murphy Sarawak Oil Company Ltd. Right, the email subject line was

Originally Posted by Murphy

CONGRATULATIONS,YOUR OVERSEAS JOB HAS BEEN APPROVED!!!

Right, i get very excited at first thinking, wow, one of the jobs i applied for over the net finally came through!!!

In the email it states:

Originally Posted by Azim

FROM THE DESK OF THE DIRECTOR
Murphy Sarawak Oil Company Ltd.
Level 26, Tower 2
PETRONAS Twin Towers
Kuala Lumpur City Centre
50088 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
MALAYSIA
+60169642895.
http://murphyoilcorp.50webs.com/page1.html


ATTN: APPLICANT

INTERNATIONAL EXPATRIATE OFFICIAL JOB ONLINE INTERVIEW

Your name has been shortlisted/Choosen among the Lucky expatriates who submitted the CV to the MALAYSIA ONLINE JOB ,before we will issue you the Success Letter and the Contract Document You have to answer the attached International Online Job Interview.(scan and sent it back to me via email)

Get back to me as soon as possible.

Regards,

Bar.azim mohammed,
Head of Recruitment Service.
murphy sarawak oil company limited
KLCC Kuala lumpur.
Malaysia .

and atached are two forms, an employment form and an employment interview form. so anyways, i decide to fill in these forms thinking "what have i got to lose, lets just see what happens"

so with the filled out forms, i say i need to know what job it is i've applied for seeing as i do not remember what jobs i've applied for seeing as i've applied for so many.

and i get another email:

Originally Posted by Azim

LETTER OF AGREEMENT
ATTENTION PRETORIUS,
we have confirmed your mail, and in the attachment you will find the letter of agreement form. You need not courier the hard copy of any filled form as the copy you mailed to me is enough. All you need do is send back to me via email.We do not want to be a burden on you.
All the positions includes the benefits listed below:
Your position is field supervisors

1. Three Bedroom Flat Duplex
2. Medical & Travel Insurance
3. 10 Days Leave / break/ Vacation after every 90 working days
4. Flight Fares (Air Tickets)
5. Education Scheme to expatriates children/family
6. Toyota Camry 2004 Model.

You are to send us these documents:

A. A copy of Reference Letter.
B. Scanned copy of your International Passport.

The Documents should be provide to us through scan e-mail attachment
for fast processing, because all the positions need expatriates who
can be able to start up employment on soon and all the
arrangement need to be made as fast as possible.

Regards,
Bar azim Mohammed

Along with this email is a more detailed contract that i need to sign as an agreement before the ball gets rolling right...but now i'm a bit weary right, cos i still don't know what it is that i'll be doing in freaking Malaysia!

so i send another mail saying :

Originally Posted by Mandy

Good Morning Mr Mohammed,

I still fail to understand what it is exactly the position of field supervisor entails.

Would it be possible for you to please send me the job requirements as well as the job specifications? It would be very much appreciated.

Kind Regards
Mandy Pretorius

and he sends back:

Originally Posted by Azim

Dear Pretorius
your job is field supervisors in the oil rig.Kindly fill the form and sent it back to us.Also company will sent you for training.
Thanks,
Azim.

And i still dont know what the flip it is i'm going to do...what does a field supervisor do????

Originally Posted by Azim

hello Mandy,
Field supervisors direct the work of wireline operators and collect and process data from wireline operations.Wireline operations draw their name from the slender, flexible, metal cable used to lower special instruments into oil and gas wells.
Thanks,
Azim

So, i'm thinking that thats at least something right? but it's not really what i want and before i go into something this huge, i need to be so so sure that its really what i want to do, right? there needs to be absolutely no doubt in my mind that Malaysia is where i want to go, right?

By stroke of luck, he some how got added to my google chat contacts and i approched him:

Originally Posted by Google Chat

11:11 AM me: Hi, is this Azim?
This is Mandy
I was just busy sending you another mail when i noticed you were online

me: helllooooooo
helllooooooo
are you there?
are you there?

murphy: hello
me: hi
murphy: have fill your form?
me: i still need to know whether or not i'm qualified for this position
murphy: you dont need to worry about that
when you arrive malaysia
you have to go training
me: what type of training?
murphy: you have to train for your field
me: which is field supervisor
but what does a field supervisor actually do?
murphy: mandy sorry i dont have much time for this
until when you arrive please
me: if we can make an appointment to meet here maybe tomorrow
murphy: take care
me: that would be great?
murphy: about what
me: i have so many questions
murphy: what questoin
me: about the job and what it entails
its really a big decision and i dont want to go into t blind
murphy: have told you not to worry
me: i dont want to take up too much of your time, i realise you are busy, but i really need to know more
murphy: you have the opportunity now
me: i know i do, but its still a big decision
and i do need to know more about the job...like how long the training will be? i cant go into something this huge with doubts in my mind
murphy: no
just one month
every thing is in order
me: everything like what?
what about my husband?
and who pays for flights to malaysia?
i have to relocate with my husband
murphy: if you want your husband to come along
there is no problem
company take care of flight ticket
me: for both of us?
or only for me?
and upon acceptance of the job, would you deposit the air fare into my bank account or purchase the tickets via the company? and how will i get the tickets?
and what about relocation of all our things? who pays for shipping?
i realise that you are busy, but i need to know all these things before i decide
if we could have a telephonic interview that would be great too
murphy: +60169642895
you can call
me: would it be possible for you to call me as i canno make international calls from my current phone
?
my number is 27824597861

me: this is really a great opportunity that i would not want to miss out on should i feel there is no doubt in my mind about rlocating to Malaysia

And he logged off without answering anything...

Then this morning in another attempt to get something out of this guy:

Originally Posted by Google Chat

me: Good morning Azim
8:29 AM murphy: how are you mandy?
me: i'm good thanks and yourself?
8:30 AM murphy: ok
can i help mandy?
8:31 AM me: i was just thinking about some stuff, and you didnt answer my questions yesterday
and you went offline
8:32 AM murphy: what stuff?
me: did you recieve my email yesterday with my CV?
8:35 AM murphy: yes
8:36 AM me: and do you think that what i studied makes me qualified for this job?
8:37 AM murphy: if we dont want to employ you
i dont think
needless to contact you ok
8:38 AM me: excuse me? i'm not quite sure i understand?
8:39 AM murphy: mandy you are quailified
8:40 AM we only need few staff from Africa
8:41 AM me: so, can you give me in detail what job i'll be doing? and what the training entails?
8:42 AM murphy: are you scared?
me: yes
murphy: to work in over sea?
8:43 AM i promise you
you will enjoy it
when you come
malaysia is a very nice cuntry
8:45 AM me: i'm worried because i dont know anything
8:46 AM for all i know, you could be an axe murderer or a slave driver just wanting to get me to malaysia to be your sex slave :
murphy: dont worry
me:
hahahahahaha
see, i dont know and that's why i'm scared
8:47 AM i'm scared to leave my family not knowing i've got the security of coming back home
murphy: is up to mandy
i wish you luck
8:48 AM me: i know, which is why i need as much information about the job and how myself and my husband are going to get there
8:49 AM when i send the form, when will i recieve the tickets?
murphy: you have to fill your form and sent it back to us
8:50 AM take care
me: then what?
are you then going to send me the plane tickets for myself and my husband?
8:51 AM murphy: you will get reply from us
me: a reply?
what reply?
murphy: take care mandy
8:52 AM me: please dont go
murphy: fill your form
and sent it to us
me: i need to know more please
8:55 AM murphy: i dont have time for this pls
me: i know you dont, but i'm asking you to please give me more information
whats going to happen after i send off the form?
8:56 AM murphy: you have to sent it first mandy
ok

And thats where it is right now. Please guys, WTF do i do? on the one hand, i could be missing out on a really good opportunity cos i'm just such a paranoid bitch and on the other hand if i sign the letter of agreement, send it to Azim and i could get back a "WAAAAAAA, We got you, now you have to come be my sex slave!!!"

I really need some advice.

[Lucifer]

Sounds sketchy to me.

[Martian]

Yeah, there are some serious alarm bells going off here.

As I'm understanding it, you didn't apply for this position, they are based out of a foreign country, and they won't tell you what the job is? This whole thing really just doesn't sound on the level to me.

There will be other opportunities. Put that fancy new degree of yours to use, do something you want to do, and give dodgy email applications a miss is what I say.

As an aside, you may want to edit your phone number out of the original post and/or request that this be moved to Members Playground. It's generally considered a bad idea to publish information like that on the internet.

EDIT - I've double-checked Murphy Oil Corps website (located at www.murphyoilcorp.com and not on 50webs, which is a free web host) and they have no postings for any jobs whatsoever in Kuala Lumpur. This is definitely not on the level.

[inBOIL]

The company seems legit, so if you can confirm this offer with someone from the company other than Azim it seems unlikely that you'll find yourself in someone's harem. Try to find other contacts at the company and verify with them that the position exists and what it entails. I must admit, the benefits package seem too good to be true, especially the part about 1 day vacation for every 9 working days (though I hear that vacation time is a lot more generous outside the U.S.)

If you can confirm the legitimacy of the offer, I'd say your only concerns are monetary. If you can afford a flight back to S. Africa, why not try the job and see if you like it? Worst case scenario, you get a subsidized trip to Malaysia and have an interesting experience. There's no reason you can't quit later.

edit: Find a phone that you can make international calls from and try the number he gave you (or any other numbers you can find.) The hassle and expense are justified, given your situation.

[dlish]

mandy..

u may want to click on this link...

http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/...ad.php?p=46914

whats the bet they ask you to pay them the visa cost next?

ok i did a bit more reserach..definately a scam..

heres the link

http://www.oil-offshore-marine.com/bewarejobscams.php

if u scroll down the pafe u will get the company name murphy sarawak. its a legit company, but these guys are scammers.

http://www.oil-offshore-marine.com/bewarejobscams.php

this site actually help you figure out whetehr or not ure being scammed, so read up on the site.

mandy whats is ur line of proffession anyways??

in dubai theres a sh!te-load of sth africans.. id say about a third of my friends are sth africans here. maybe u could try here dependant on what u do. i could give u contacts of LEGITIMATE agencies if u like

[mandy]

Can someone please merge the two threads? i dont know how it got here twice *shrug*

and Martian, thats not my real number...i edited it before i posted it in here Thanks though

Okay, so i spoke to the guy again and he wants me to send him a copy of my passport as well as healer's passport along with a copy of the agreement letter as well as a letter of recommendation.

he told me that we have to be there by the 1st week in June. what now? i'm most confused.

[mixedmedia]

I have merged the two threads.

mandy, don't do it...there is definitely something wrong here.

[jewels]

Sounds like a scam to me.

I would email the HR link from the site Martian names above. This way you can confirm if this position truly does exist and if they have intended to contact you.

Be careful.

[pig]

scam scam scam.

i don't know what you sent them in your first application forms, but your passport has enough information in it to start credit cards in your name, and to possibly access your current lines of credit and/or bank accounts. do not send someone you don't know a copy of your passport. they don't need it for any reason. if they want to know if you're a citizen of s. africa or if you have a valid passport, there are other ways to confirm that.

once again, this is a 99.99999999999% scam. if it's not, do you really want this job with an employer who is that vague? no one will say "we don't have time for your questions, just send us your critical identification information." that should clue you in that your information is all they care about.

edit: however, you should Crackify this thing.

[Hain]

Mandy, if it is a fraud, how did these scammers know you where you were applying, or applying at all? At this point you should consider your emails, social-networking sites, and/or career hunter accounts hijacked.

While I personally would not go for this opportunity given how scant of detail they are willing to give you (not scant in the amount of detail that is going into this scam), I would:

1. Call the main office of whatever company they say they are. Find the number online, not use the numbers they give.
2. Swing by the Free/Open-Source thread, and take a peak at my security section, specifically Keepass.

[Tully Mars]

Man, talk about alarm bells going off!

Listen to dlish et el.

If you want to find work overseas there are several reputable agencies out there. I'd be willing to bet this isn't one of them.

I'd also check out Kuala Lumpur and their record on women's rights.

http://shariahfinancewatch.wordpress.../kuala-lumpur/

[The_Jazz]

Once again I find great wisdom coming from pig. This is a scam. And you should start to mess with them.

[ironman]

if it looks like shit and it smells like shit, then I don't need to taste it to confirm it is shit. Stay away!!!!

[Lasereth]

This may not be a true scam (as in they may actually employ you) but it's definitely fishy. I'd stay away.

[Halx]

The first thing that tipped me off about this fraudulent exchange was the lack of grammar and spelling. If this were a legit company, you'd have better structured correspondence. They are giving you a qualified job without an interview. Their email address probably isn't the company's domain. They sure want a lot of information from you.

This is a good time to turn this around on them and see if you can get them to make fools out of themselves.

[dlish]

yeah..i rekon u get the bastards good

hope u didnt give up too much information.

but its definately a scam.. its time to scam the scammers.

[Crack]

You are to send us these documents:

A. A copy of Reference Letter.
B. Scanned copy of your International Passport.

Nigerians.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by Crack

Nigerians.

My first thought!!!

Originally Posted by Halx

The first thing that tipped me off about this fraudulent exchange was the lack of grammar and spelling. If this were a legit company, you'd have better structured correspondence.

My second thought.

Nice to know I'm in the company of the smart people.

[allaboutmusic]

Check out 419 Eater. You should be able to have some fun with this... stick to Gmail and you'll be ok, I think it hides IP addresses.

[canuckguy]

I agree with Hal, the terrible grammar and spelling is a dead giveaway.

Good luck job hunting still, I hope these jerks don't do anything stupid with your information.

Can you warn your bank or give them a heads up that potential fraud activity might take place?

[Aladdin Sane]

This is a scam. Like everyone else here, I smell it. Don't get ripped off. Don't get involved.

[Baraka_Guru]

Scam.

Where did you apply for this job?

[mandy]

Originally Posted by noodle

My first thought!!!



My second thought.

Nice to know I'm in the company of the smart people.

I second that!!! Luckily for me, i didnt give him anything except my home addie which i think is probably the most personal detail i''d handed out. no ID number, no bank details...i wanted to check first with my smart friends from TFP what they thought first

Luckily for me, i have such smart friends

Baraka, i've applied for so many jobs that i cant even remember...i always tell myself to write it down, whatever is was that I applied for, but i never do...so i guess i'm to blame as well, you know.

and thinking about it now after reading all you guys' posts about the incorrect spelling and grammar and the email addie and all that, i kinda feel a little DUH!!! LOL

but, you live and learn and this was just another experience i can add to my belt of unfavorable learning curves

Thank GOODNESS for you guys

HE'S ONLINE NOW!!!! I WANA GET HIM!!! Any suggestions?

[jewels]

Originally Posted by mandy

HE'S ONLINE NOW!!!! I WANA GET HIM!!! Any suggestions?

I wish I had time to search down that thread ...

Can anyone find that great Nigerian scammer thread? We need to give Mandy some ammo here, don't we?

[dlish]

read up on the 419 eater website. theres a wealth of information there!

from memory it was www.419eater.com . try that.. or google it. gives u good ammo for the scammers

[Aladdin Sane]

I'd love to figure out a way to scam the scammers. Somebody around here must have some idea how to do it...

[allaboutmusic]

Aladdin Sane: 419 Eater. Read it.

[mandy]

This a chat conversation i had with Azim this morning when i got to work at about half past 7 until round about 9 ... waddya guys think? Its quite long, so...

Originally Posted by Chat with Azim

7:39 AM me: hey scammy scammer
LOL
7:40 AM murphy: mandy what s wrong with you
me: oh you have no idea who you are dealing with !!!
7:41 AM murphy: what is your problem please?
me: hahahahahahahahaha
did you think that i wouldnt figure you out?
murphysarawak59@gmail.com
murphy: it up to u
me: lol
7:42 AM you're stupid if you did
do you know of a lovely website called fraud watchers?
murphy: no
me: well, you should
cos your name is all over it
murphy: did u pay any money to any body?
7:43 AM me: luckily no
fortunately for you i didnt
murphy: so what make me fraud?
me: the fact that you were going to ask me to pay you money
7:44 AM murphy: did any body requested money from you mandy?
how?
me: you were going to ask me to pay money
7:45 AM and you did it to so many south africans already
but not this one
murphy: what?
are you out of your mind?
me: LOL
7:46 AM no, i think you are if you think you're going to get any of this right ever again
do you think that i'm not going to warn everyone about you?
7:47 AM oh mr. you are very much mistaken
murphy: thanks
ok
7:48 AM me: so tell me, how many people have you scammed yet?
or rather how much money have you made from people in SA?
7:49 AM i have to say that we here in SA love to believe the good in people
so, we are quick believers of anything that anyone feeds us really
you must have made a fortune
7:50 AM murphy: thanks
me: thanks?
you not gonn atell me anything?
c'mon...i promise it'll be between me and you
7:51 AM murphy: what do you want?
mandy
me: i wont tell anyone i promise...maybe i could help you?
you know...gain innocents
i'm looking to make an extra buck anyways
7:52 AM murphy: we offer you a job
where did you get all this from mandy?
7:53 AM me: maybe i can help you get people to sign your contract...you ask them to pay the money...and i'll make sure i get the ones who really really believe that you are genuine...
and they pay the money, and we go 50/50
murphy: Life is not measured by the breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away!
me: i think that sounds like a good plan dont you?
7:54 AM i could do it in the morning from work?
murphy: is like you are a smart girl mandy?
me: so...do we have a deal?
7:55 AM i'll be like your recruiter
you just have to tell me what to do.
murphy: are you single?
7:56 AM me: nope
i have a fiancé
we getting married and i need some extra cash you know?
7:57 AM murphy: so where do you work in SA?
me: yep
7:58 AM why did you quote my signature earlier?
murphy: where?
8:00 AM me: Port Elizabeth
you looking to get people in PE?
murphy: what is the nature of your job?
8:01 AM me: i sit in front of a computer the whole day
murphy: doing what?
8:02 AM me: working
murphy: ok
you can call me letter
me: i cant make international calls
murphy: how old are u?
me: how old do you want me to be?
8:03 AM murphy: i want to know
how old are you?
me: howcome?
what does it matter how old i am
8:04 AM i want to work for you
murphy: know i just to know
me: early 20's
murphy: i saw your pic
me: i know
then how old do you think i am?
8:05 AM murphy: remember you have filled company form
me: i know
whats your point?
murphy: you see
you lia
to me
me: howso?
murphy: and you want to work
with me
8:06 AM me: ofcourse
murphy: then why did you lia?
me: how did i lie?
when did i lie to you?
8:07 AM murphy: how old are u?
me: earlr 20's i told you that before
i'm not lying
8:08 AM murphy: early 20s want to get marriage?
me: yes
8:09 AM murphy: mandy you have to come over to malaysia
if you really want to make money
me: howso?
8:10 AM murphy: so where are they people that you want to bring?
how many people?
8:11 AM me: how many people do you want?
i can get quite a few
murphy: as much as you can
me: whats your target?
8:12 AM murphy: what do you mind by that?
me: the amount of money that you want to make?
murphy: i'm a very busy person
me: do you have a certain amount of money that you want to make by the end of the moth?
murphy: i want to offer them job
8:13 AM why?
me: look, i'm very busy too and you and i both know that you are not a recruiter for Murphy Sarawak Oil Co Ltd
8:14 AM so lets just cut to the chase and let me in on the big bucks
i want to work for you
8:15 AM murphy: Mandy any body that you bring
me: i want to recruit people for you so i can make extra money
murphy: you let me know
ok
me: then what?
murphy: what do you mean
me: what are you going to give me in return?
8:16 AM murphy: ok
let see
when you have anybody
8:17 AM you can inform me
ok
me: i have two already
what should i do?
8:18 AM murphy: tell them to apply
me: then what?
i want something up front?
8:19 AM murphy: you are a smart girl then
me: what are you prepared to give me?
8:20 AM murphy: you have 2 people
then you will see every thing your self
me: what do you mean?
i can get more people
8:21 AM murphy: if you work hard
you make more money
nice chatting with you
mandy
me: wait
murphy: take care
me: you didnt tell me how?
8:22 AM and you didnt give me my something upfront?
murphy: if your serious to work with me
you can call me
ok
me: i cant make international calls
why not you call me?
murphy: no
8:23 AM i want to know how serious you are
me: i am
i really am
murphy: we dont give any thing up front
me: i just dont have the means to call you
murphy: you have to try
you are work
8:24 AM me: but they dont allow internationa calls from the work phone
murphy: spend money to make money
take care
me: wait
murphy: what
me: whats your number?
i'll try and give you a call around lunch time
8:25 AM murphy: +0169642895
+6
+60169642895
me: but tell me what i need to do ?
murphy: about what
8:26 AM me: besides call you to show that i'm serious
murphy: you have to call me first
me: you need to tell me how serious you are
murphy: me
me: yes
you
you need to give me something back
murphy: i dont have time for this
8:27 AM me: well, you have to make time, cos i could make you alot of money here
murphy: you have to work hard mandy
me: i need to know a target
how much money do you expect to make off South Africans?
murphy: what target
me: how much money do you want to make?
murphy: what do you mean by that?
8:28 AM me: i mean, compared to last year or last month even
how much moeny did you make last month?
murphy: you are talking like a kid mandy
me: no i'm not
8:29 AM murphy: you want to work
or you want know me
me: i want to know, because i need to know how much money i need to make to show you that i'm serious
i could do both
i need to know you to beable to work with you
8:30 AM murphy: let us close this charpter
mandy
take care
me: waht
murphy: you are not serious
me: no
dont go
murphy: bye
8:31 AM me: ofcourse i'm serious
why do you not see that?
why do you not see that i'm srious
what makes you think that i'm not serious
8:32 AM murphy: plaese call me
we can discuss
ok
bye
me: whta?
what?
what can we discuss?
murphy: take care
me: no
dont go
8:33 AM murphy: i dont work with people like u
me: like what?
murphy: you ask so many question
me: hahahaha
thats cos i have an inqiring mind
murphy: i dont have time
me: please make time
i'm really interested
8:34 AM please
murphy: tell you people you have to apply
me: ok, then what?
murphy: when the apply
me: do i give them the form i got?
murphy: you tell me thier names
8:35 AM me: ok
murphy: no
me: ok, so how do they apply?
murphy: give them this email
murphyoilcorp30@yahoo.com
8:36 AM me: and i tell them that they should apply for that job there
murphy: you have every thing
8:37 AM me: then after they apply i tell you their names
what happens after that?
murphy: yes
me: how long after they've applied do i get my cut?
murphy: just show them that page with you
me: ok
8:38 AM murphy: i thing they are your candidate
they will update you
ok
me: then what?
murphy: mandy
8:39 AM tell them just to apply first
me: then how long after they've applied do i get my money?
murphy: that they are interesting to work with murphy oil company
ok
me: ok
8:40 AM murphy: bye
me: wait
please dont go
murphy: what
me: tell me more?
how does it work after that?
murphy: people are waiting to see me
me: i'm just as important
8:41 AM please
murphy: then you will get to know it
me: i really need the extra cash
how long do i wait before you send me my first pay cheque?
murphy: you need to work hard
hahaha
me: how many people do you want
8:42 AM why you laugh?
did i say something funny?
murphy: you are funny
money moneymoney
me: what did i say?
murphy: you have to work first
me: is that not what its all about?
8:43 AM so if i get people to apply, you going to send me my first paychque?
8:45 AM why you so quiet now?
murphy: many people you bring have to work with us first
8:46 AM when they are serious about it
then you get your money
ok
me: so tell me something...
murphy: you have to convince them
first
me: then where does my money come from?
8:47 AM murphy: dont worry
me: does it come from the money you get from them, or does it come from you?
murphy: i want people that will to work
with murphy oil company
me: i have such people
8:48 AM murphy: so get them ready
me: but do i get paid from their money that you get from them?
murphy: mandy dont worry about
8:49 AM that
me: i have to
murphy: you are looking for mney
me: i cant work for someone and dont know how i'm getting paid?
murphy: important thing is you to get your money
me: HOW?
from who and when?
8:50 AM murphy: you will see then
i can not cheat you
since you are working for me
ok
8:51 AM me: how do i kno wthat?
murphy: you will surprise
how you will make your money
then you can to malaysia
with your husband
8:53 AM me: that would be nice
8:54 AM ok, so lets just get this straight now...and you only hav eto answer yes or no, ok?
so i get people to apply for that job to that email address that you gave me...
murphy: yes
8:55 AM me: then i give you their names
murphy: yes
me: then i show them the page that you sent to me
the one with all the benefits
8:56 AM murphy: no
8:57 AM that murphy company are looking for staff
me: oh ok
8:58 AM murphy: the first page
me: then after that they send you their passports and you tell them they must pay you for their visa and their plane ticket an you will reimburse them when they get to malaysia
murphy: that you need to fill employment for and interv
8:59 AM form
you work is to tell them to apply
me: then you get the money from them?
9:01 AM Azim...do you get the money from them?
9:02 AM how do you get it?

[hunnychile]

Why would you continue writing to this Scammer?
Also, who in their right mind (!) would trust people who write that poorly and unprofessionally? And give them so much personal information?? Not smart.

[Hain]

It is quite long, and scanning through it, I didn't pick anything out of it. I would not have had that conversation with that guy, at least not on computers not using some kind of IP bouncing scheme... but then again I am paranoid. Just because he is a fraud does not mean he doesn't know any hackers.

[mandy]

i dont see what the problem was trying to get out of him (which i think i did) what it was he was really up to???Seriously, the most information i gave him in that convo was that i stayed in Port Elizabeth and i was in my early twenties. do you know how big Port Elizabeth is? do you know how many mandy's there are in port elizabeth? in primary school alone there were four mandy's in my class. its a very common name here.

And also if those two hours prevented him from trying to scam someone else in that time, then i've done my job.

Originally Posted by hunnychile

Why would you continue writing to this Scammer?
Also, who in their right mind (!) would trust people who write that poorly and unprofessionally? And give them so much personal information?? Not smart.

Firstly,I have admitted to the fact that i was silly in thinking that this was real but whats so wrong about believing that not all people are scammers?whats so wrong about believing in the best in people?

And secondly, i'm sure you have had a DUH moment at some stage in your life...i'm just glad that i could come here and get some guidance before it went further...

so before you start "who in their right mind" and "not smart" think about the people like me who actually believe there is good in everyone first before judging. even if it is only by email.

and please also bear in mind that he had not asked me for money just yet...i suppose he would have at a later stage but at that stage of the conversation/email correspondance, he had not.

[Hain]

Originally Posted by mandy

...but whats so wrong about believing that not all people are scammers?whats so wrong about believing in the best in people?

I am glad that nothing bad has happened, but like Dr. Taub (Peter Jacobson) from House, M.D. said, "Being nice cost you five bucks while being a jerk usually turns a profit."

[Crack]

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=105805

Mandy, check this thread out