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Ergo · 11-03-2007, 02:52 PM

Reason and logic are preached with great regard from the multimedia pulpits of today’s world. Almost everyone believe to follow their high paths. But if, as it is logically evident, logic cannot be based on itself, which are the dirty and extraneous forces that you follow when you are supposedly being logical. if logic cannot support itself how it is being reasonable even logical? What is actually driving behind that assumed logic? Will you address the intimate questioning? Will you dare to explore the obscure passages that lay not below or above but that in reality are the fucking sperm of that logical and unreal world?

You will not; I answer with no reason whatsoever. The quid is to identify who I refer with you, they thou or me? You don’t need an identity crisis but ears that can hear the uproar within the silences.

It is beyond any logic that humans prefer to deceit themselves. You believe that you reasonably reached that conclusion. But you don’t, [Censored]. Logic is a consistent absurd. You say that A necessarily implies B, but oh my dear liar, you wanted to go to B from the beginning so you just use that mercenary whore of logic to get you there. The problem is that you feed from your own lies, and when you later want to go C you don’t go because you need to believe in your “system”, you need to keep that B is the logical conclusion. What an absurd. What a fake scaffolding logic is. Will you learn to support yourself on the void? You [Censored].

Just look around who lead the people in the world, just some examples: Bush, Bin Laden, Paris Hilton. Neither known for their sophisticate reasoning, and still their followers think that what they believe is perfectly logical. Take a look, “war on terror” (quite an absurdity in its own terms), “the holy killing of the infidels” (no need to elaborate its ludicrousness), “sucking penises” (this one at least makes some sense). Those are the things that direct us, that move the world, not your pity logic.

So, ladies and gentleman, gracious and gallant members of this forum, esteem forum Motherators whose arduous labor taking care of us destitute children is never well appreciated and whose wisdom is unquestionable in such an absolute and rotund way, I address you in the most courteous and careful way, taking good care that my words don’t represent any challenge or defiance to your delicate minds, will the good lord preserve them, I address you as I was saying to discuss and ponder the different opinions that can be uphold about the aforesaid subject, and to ask the outstanding questions. I hope that my questioning and opinions will not make you feel uncomfortable or forcefully confronted; so help me God. You [Censored].

Infinite_Loser (sic),

Axiom I and II do not form a contradiction but a paradox; Axiom III is not declarative but its premise is invisible; Axiom VII cannot be proved as true or false. Nevertheless that is insignificant to me as I despise logic; but you should know better your own [Censored].

The significant thing is that you are overtly missing the point I am making. Regretfully you are [Censored] of your logic. You are so conditioned by it that you are [Censored] of thinking that there is an alternative way. In the end you believe that what I say comes from a twisted logic, but a logic nevertheless. But it is something very different. It is not with propositions that we can talk about that, but only with words that mean more than themselves. However those words can slap you in your dreams, my dear [Censored].

This is not about drawing puns or paradoxes that once unwrapped don’t mean anything; like the one you used to finish your post. It is about the real meaning that resides beyond logic and sometimes takes the form of paradoxes, not the other way around.

Cynthetiq,

It took me just a moment but then I realized how you deeply honor me. You don’t bother to mention which rule in the referred link I violated as appear to be none; you don’t bother to discuss it or reason about it because… you also despise reason, my friend! You say that my post cannot spur any type of discussion and in order to prove it you "shut up" the thread therefore making impossible any kind of discussion! Oh my dear that is so beyond any reason. Like a magnificent Bill O’Reilly, you always have the last word. It is because of that that I love you; you are beautiful in every single way. You have such a gorgeous reasoning.

Hence that I say (without the need of a big moustache): Logic is dead! And then the spews of the earth raise their voices and ask: who is the killer?

Think, think about that, my [Censored]. Prove me right.

There is still a doubt that I have… where questioning belongs then? How far it can go? It looks logical to question, but what if the object of the questioning is logic itself? Any reasonable person should suppress those lascivious impulses or run the risk of the uneasy stance. And it is there my friends that you should answer; should that radical questioning be suppressed? Flash me your dirty logic or your chaste absurd. I [Censored] you.

Plan9 · 11-03-2007, 02:55 PM

Anne Coulter? Is that you?!

Ustwo · 11-03-2007, 02:59 PM

telekinetic · 11-03-2007, 03:01 PM

This post seriously reminds me more than anything of the almost-English that spam bots generate to let their offers of fr33 v14gr4 through my spam filter.

I hope you enjoyed your stay here. Starting a new thread to continue a locked one usually only results in a user's permanent removal from the community. It's only logical

Plan9 · 11-03-2007, 03:02 PM

UsTwo... I just ejaculated Sam Adams from my nose.

Fuck you.

DaveOrion · 11-03-2007, 03:09 PM

This is so interesting that I think I'll have another beer and fantasize about mixedmedia some more.......

Plan9 · 11-03-2007, 03:15 PM

Pfft, way to give up your secret, Dave.

DaveOrion · 11-03-2007, 03:31 PM

Already posted about that in the dream thread bro, hardly a secret...

Ergo · 11-03-2007, 03:51 PM

Crompsin,

Yes, it is me, Anne Coulter. Do you know that in my secret life I use to dress mistressly and with an strap-on I thoroughly fuck the craving asses of tecnohippipunks wannabes like [Censored]? Of course you know as you dream [Censored] every night.

BTW, you succeeded in uplifting the level of the discussion to your high standards. Fuck reason.

Ustwo,

I see that talking still not, but that you already got to drawing. Follow hard like that, my friend.

Twistecmosaic,

That is just because I am the motherfucker that sent everyone all that shitty spam.

Also perhaps you expect too much from logic. Logic does not expect too much from [Censored].

ngdawg · 11-03-2007, 03:54 PM

this needs to be in Tilted Nonsense

Willravel · 11-03-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ergo

Reason and logic are preached with great regard from the multimedia pulpits of today’s world. Almost everyone believe to follow their high paths. But if, as it is logically evident, logic cannot be based on itself, which are the dirty and extraneous forces that you follow when you are supposedly being logical. if logic cannot support itself how it is being reasonable even logical? What is actually driving behind that assumed logic? Will you address the intimate questioning? Will you dare to explore the obscure passages that lay not below or above but that in reality are the fucking sperm of that logical and unreal world?

You had me till sperm. Okay, so If I'm reading the above correctly, one assumes that preached, or suposed (read: not necessarily sound) logic is preached from people who do not support their logic. Makes sense. A lot of people have problems disassociating from preconceived frameworks and assumptions, and thus their logic is tainted. Still, the sperm thing is not only a bit obscure, but unnecessarily graphic. Moving on...

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Originally Posted by Ergo

You will not; I answer with no reason whatsoever. The quid is to identify who I refer with you, they thou or me? You don’t need an identity crisis but ears that can hear the uproar within the silences.

So you're not going to respond reasonably in this thread after the OP? I realize you're trying to illustrate something, but you're shooting yourself in the foot by serving it up to us in this manner.

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Originally Posted by Ergo

It is beyond any logic that humans prefer to deceit themselves.

Wrong. Deceiving one's self can be totally logical in many instances, and as such a sweeping statement gives you a weak leg to stand on. Want me to share such instances? You'll have to reply back in a logical manner.

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Originally Posted by Ergo

You believe that you reasonably reached that conclusion. But you don’t, [Censored]. Logic is a consistent absurd. You say that A necessarily implies B, but oh my dear liar, you wanted to go to B from the beginning so you just use that mercenary whore of logic to get you there. The problem is that you feed from your own lies, and when you later want to go C you don’t go because you need to believe in your “system”, you need to keep that B is the logical conclusion. What an absurd. What a fake scaffolding logic is. Will you learn to support yourself on the void? You [Censored].

What an absurd, indeed. Logic, is simply inference based on precedence and understanding of natural systems. Yes, a drawback is that we've not all had the same precedence and have not all learned the same systems. And yes, many can color their findings with a favored result. So we should give up on logic altogether just because sometimes we fail at it? Maybe you'd like anarchy because democracy doesn't always work, too.

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Originally Posted by Ergo

Just look around who lead the people in the world, just some examples: Bush, Bin Laden, Paris Hilton. Neither known for their sophisticate reasoning, and still their followers think that what they believe is perfectly logical. Take a look, “war on terror” (quite an absurdity in its own terms), “the holy killing of the infidels” (no need to elaborate its ludicrousness), “sucking penises” (this one at least makes some sense). Those are the things that direct us, that move the world, not your pity logic.

Within their twisted perception of the world, some do find that sentiments like killing or being bigoted ar logical. Again, that doesn't mean we need to do away with it. That means we need to refine it.

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Originally Posted by Ergo

So, ladies and gentleman, gracious and gallant members of this forum, esteem forum Motherators whose arduous labor taking care of us destitute children is never well appreciated and whose wisdom is unquestionable in such an absolute and rotund way, I address you in the most courteous and careful way, taking good care that my words don’t represent any challenge or defiance to your delicate minds, will the good lord preserve them, I address you as I was saying to discuss and ponder the different opinions that can be uphold about the aforesaid subject, and to ask the outstanding questions. I hope that my questioning and opinions will not make you feel uncomfortable or forcefully confronted; so help me God. You [Censored].

Condescension is a function of compensation. I've never been condescended to by anyone who was better than I, anyway.

Plan9 · 11-03-2007, 04:30 PM

This thread makes me wanna use expensive toilet paper.

This thread brought to you by: the Logic Master himself

DaveOrion · 11-03-2007, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Crompsin

This thread makes me wanna use expensive toilet paper.

This thread brought to you by: the Logic Master himself

Damn thats actually funny Cromp!!

I channeled Manson once but had the oddest sensation of an X being cut into my forehead.....

The_Jazz · 11-03-2007, 04:46 PM

I don't see this as anything more than a pale excuse to throw veiled insults around. I also don't see anything presented to discuss. This is most definitely not up the the community standards.

Ergo, if you have something you'd like to post in this thread that will result in actual discussion, PM me or any other staff member. For now, this thread is locked.

Plan9 · 11-03-2007, 04:46 PM

Wait... you mean I'm not funny most of the time?

*hangs head, kicks rocks*

I vote that violence is the root of all power!

11-03-2007, 02:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ergo Banned	Reason is overvalued and abused Reason and logic are preached with great regard from the multimedia pulpits of today’s world. Almost everyone believe to follow their high paths. But if, as it is logically evident, logic cannot be based on itself, which are the dirty and extraneous forces that you follow when you are supposedly being logical. if logic cannot support itself how it is being reasonable even logical? What is actually driving behind that assumed logic? Will you address the intimate questioning? Will you dare to explore the obscure passages that lay not below or above but that in reality are the fucking sperm of that logical and unreal world? You will not; I answer with no reason whatsoever. The quid is to identify who I refer with you, they thou or me? You don’t need an identity crisis but ears that can hear the uproar within the silences. It is beyond any logic that humans prefer to deceit themselves. You believe that you reasonably reached that conclusion. But you don’t, [Censored]. Logic is a consistent absurd. You say that A necessarily implies B, but oh my dear liar, you wanted to go to B from the beginning so you just use that mercenary whore of logic to get you there. The problem is that you feed from your own lies, and when you later want to go C you don’t go because you need to believe in your “system”, you need to keep that B is the logical conclusion. What an absurd. What a fake scaffolding logic is. Will you learn to support yourself on the void? You [Censored]. Just look around who lead the people in the world, just some examples: Bush, Bin Laden, Paris Hilton. Neither known for their sophisticate reasoning, and still their followers think that what they believe is perfectly logical. Take a look, “war on terror” (quite an absurdity in its own terms), “the holy killing of the infidels” (no need to elaborate its ludicrousness), “sucking penises” (this one at least makes some sense). Those are the things that direct us, that move the world, not your pity logic. So, ladies and gentleman, gracious and gallant members of this forum, esteem forum Motherators whose arduous labor taking care of us destitute children is never well appreciated and whose wisdom is unquestionable in such an absolute and rotund way, I address you in the most courteous and careful way, taking good care that my words don’t represent any challenge or defiance to your delicate minds, will the good lord preserve them, I address you as I was saying to discuss and ponder the different opinions that can be uphold about the aforesaid subject, and to ask the outstanding questions. I hope that my questioning and opinions will not make you feel uncomfortable or forcefully confronted; so help me God. You [Censored]. Infinite_Loser (sic), Axiom I and II do not form a contradiction but a paradox; Axiom III is not declarative but its premise is invisible; Axiom VII cannot be proved as true or false. Nevertheless that is insignificant to me as I despise logic; but you should know better your own [Censored]. The significant thing is that you are overtly missing the point I am making. Regretfully you are [Censored] of your logic. You are so conditioned by it that you are [Censored] of thinking that there is an alternative way. In the end you believe that what I say comes from a twisted logic, but a logic nevertheless. But it is something very different. It is not with propositions that we can talk about that, but only with words that mean more than themselves. However those words can slap you in your dreams, my dear [Censored]. This is not about drawing puns or paradoxes that once unwrapped don’t mean anything; like the one you used to finish your post. It is about the real meaning that resides beyond logic and sometimes takes the form of paradoxes, not the other way around. Cynthetiq, It took me just a moment but then I realized how you deeply honor me. You don’t bother to mention which rule in the referred link I violated as appear to be none; you don’t bother to discuss it or reason about it because… you also despise reason, my friend! You say that my post cannot spur any type of discussion and in order to prove it you "shut up" the thread therefore making impossible any kind of discussion! Oh my dear that is so beyond any reason. Like a magnificent Bill O’Reilly, you always have the last word. It is because of that that I love you; you are beautiful in every single way. You have such a gorgeous reasoning. Hence that I say (without the need of a big moustache): Logic is dead! And then the spews of the earth raise their voices and ask: who is the killer? Think, think about that, my [Censored]. Prove me right. There is still a doubt that I have… where questioning belongs then? How far it can go? It looks logical to question, but what if the object of the questioning is logic itself? Any reasonable person should suppress those lascivious impulses or run the risk of the uneasy stance. And it is there my friends that you should answer; should that radical questioning be suppressed? Flash me your dirty logic or your chaste absurd. I [Censored] you.

11-03-2007, 02:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Anne Coulter? Is that you?! __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

11-03-2007, 02:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	__________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

11-03-2007, 03:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	UsTwo... I just ejaculated Sam Adams from my nose. Fuck you. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

11-03-2007, 03:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
DaveOrion Playing With Fire Location: Disaster Area	This is so interesting that I think I'll have another beer and fantasize about mixedmedia some more....... __________________ *Syriana*...have you ever tried liquid MDMA?....Liquid MDMA? No....Arash, when you wanna do this?.....After prayer...

11-03-2007, 03:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
telekinetic zomgomgomgomgomgomg Location: Fauxenix, Azerona	This post seriously reminds me more than anything of the almost-English that spam bots generate to let their offers of fr33 v14gr4 through my spam filter. I hope you enjoyed your stay here. Starting a new thread to continue a locked one usually only results in a user's permanent removal from the community. It's only logical

11-03-2007, 03:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Pfft, way to give up your secret, Dave. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

11-03-2007, 03:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
DaveOrion Playing With Fire Location: Disaster Area	Already posted about that in the dream thread bro, hardly a secret... __________________ *Syriana*...have you ever tried liquid MDMA?....Liquid MDMA? No....Arash, when you wanna do this?.....After prayer...

11-03-2007, 03:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
Ergo Banned	Crompsin, Yes, it is me, Anne Coulter. Do you know that in my secret life I use to dress mistressly and with an strap-on I thoroughly fuck the craving asses of tecnohippipunks wannabes like [Censored]? Of course you know as you dream [Censored] every night. BTW, you succeeded in uplifting the level of the discussion to your high standards. Fuck reason. Ustwo, I see that talking still not, but that you already got to drawing. Follow hard like that, my friend. Twistecmosaic, That is just because I am the motherfucker that sent everyone all that shitty spam. Also perhaps you expect too much from logic. Logic does not expect too much from [Censored].

11-03-2007, 03:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
ngdawg peekaboo Location: on the back, bitch	this needs to be in Tilted Nonsense

11-03-2007, 04:30 PM	#12 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	This thread makes me wanna use expensive toilet paper. This thread brought to you by: the Logic Master himself __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

11-03-2007, 04:46 PM	#14 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	I don't see this as anything more than a pale excuse to throw veiled insults around. I also don't see anything presented to discuss. This is most definitely not up the the community standards. Ergo, if you have something you'd like to post in this thread that will result in actual discussion, PM me or any other staff member. For now, this thread is locked. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

11-03-2007, 04:46 PM	#15 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Wait... you mean I'm not funny most of the time? *hangs head, kicks rocks* I vote that violence is the root of all power! __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake." Last edited by Plan9; 11-03-2007 at 04:47 PM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost