ziadel

So, heres the query, we're talking about reformed Jews


Can a gentile (a man, yes his foreskin has been chopped off) marry a Jewish girl without converting or does he have to bar-mitzvah?


oh yeah, I'm one of the brides maids

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LoganSnake

As far as I know, you need to be of Jewish faith, as in converted. Chopped dick comes with the territory. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

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ngdawg

It's his choice, but if he wanted to convert, circumcision is definitely a requirement(so he's safe there), not sure about a Bar Mitzvah. A Rabbi would know what's required outside of Hebrew classes (which have to be taken to convert, of course) and counseling with said Rabbi(akin to the Catholic's Pre-Canon).

Willravel

She can marry whoever she wants. You live in the US, not Israel. A Muslim can marry a Jew if they feel like it.

ziadel

I'm demanding a Jewish wedding. I want busted glass and chairs and Havah Nagilah. You're absolutely right Will, she could get married no prob with a justice of the peace, but its her wedding, she gets what she wants, EVEN if that means I have to flash a can of zyklon b at the Rabbi to let him know I mean business.

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Cynthetiq

sure but that doesn't take into account the consequences of those actions, such as ostracization of the family or lack of attendance of family members because it isn't "acceptable."

I married a jewish girl. She's not practicing, I'm non practicing Roman Catholic, so no harm no foul. Parents and family didn't care.

A friend converted to Judaism, she kept kosher for some time, decided it was too much work, so kept some aspects of faith, but doesn't keep a kosher house.

Another friend converted but he wasn't converted by a rabbi who was conservative enough by some of the family members, so they did not attend the wedding.

YMMV

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ziadel

So he doesnt have to convert to get married in a Synagogue{sp?)?

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this is disturbing. yet I can't help but laugh...

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dc_dux

Some reform rabbis will conduct interfaith marriage ceremonies in their synagogue and others wont. Conservative and orthodox rabbis definetely wont.

She should ask her rabbi and if he/she wont conduct the ceremony, ask that rabbi to recommend another who will.

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Willravel

For those who don't know, google "zyklon b" and "holocaust".

You're cruel but hilarious, dude.

ziadel

Now, before any sensitive person of Jewish descent gets offended, guess what? I lost an assload of family in the same camps in WW deuce, know what that means? Yeah, zyklon b, I can go there

I'm talking to a the bride to be about Judaism

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Xazy

You can do what you want and G-d will sort it out. But if you are asking about the Jewish belief, I can say that Orthodox Jewish belief is you should marry only a Jew. Again I am not judging anyone by saying this, this is the belief but you do what you want, and G-d is the one who I believe who judges.

ziadel

Shes not Orthodox, shes Reformed, really reformed, she told me she ate M&M's on Yam Kippur! And had sex!

Not in that order tho, she boinked, then ate M&M's

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Frosstbyte

Officially, for it to be a Jewish wedding, both parties need to be Jewish. My parents were married by a reform rabbi in a reform synagog and my mom needed to convert before he would do the ceremony.

I mean, how they conduct their household is up to them, but for it to be generally recognized in the faith writ large he'd need to convert officially and do that whole course of study and have a full fledged Jewish ceremony. I'm not sure if they care enough for that whole dog and pony show.

ziadel

She said she did'nt have to have the whole shebang, but he insisted. He's a great guy the only boyfriend she has ever had that I actually approved of and got along with at all.

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Xazy

If you want to justify and say that she is not very good at practicing her religion that is your choice. However it will not change what the Jewish Belief is. You both have to be Jewish.

Sion

this cracked me up

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one of my dad's second cousins or something married a jewish chick. i don't think he converted, but i do remember my dad coming back from the wedding with a yamacha (yes, i realize that's not how you spell it, but screw those crazy j's and l's and whatever other random letters that are in that word)

Kadath

The thread is titled 'jewish question.' You could google that and holocaust too. I flinched when I saw the thread title.

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I was raised Roman Catholic but totally do not practice at all since I was aobut 16yo; both of my wives were raised "reformed" Jewish, first one participated in some traditional ceremonies, second was non-religious and actually the whole family seems to be atheist ...OT strangely both wives had the same family name (now they both have my last name) though they are not related at all. For my first marriage, thinking it would be in the spririt of the rising ecumenical spirit at that time, we wanted both a priest and rabbi; after meeting with the local catholic church priests who were actually quite nasty and demanded that we sign papers and promise to baptize and raise our children catholic, we immediately walked out ....my first marriage was done by a reformed rabbi, we did the whole glass breaking and some other traditional ceremonies; we also decided that I would invite a "christian" representative to satisfy my family and broaden the religious part of the ceremony, so I invited a Jesuit priest (knowing they are usually more "revolutionary") who taught my best friend in high school, so he also participated and gave a nice little speech and blessing, I liked the ceremony and so did both families. But I did not have to convert or do anything at all for either marriage, it was never even discussed. For "medical" reasons and doctors' advise to my parents back in the mid 1950's, I was already circumcised when I was about 10yo ...ouch! I used to joke by saying this rabbi would marry any two mammals for a price, but I'm not really sure he drew the line at mammals; and I think I saw a solid 18k gold bracelet on his wrist with "rabbi" written in large diamonds ...my bad rabbi joke. My second marriage was done by a respected local woman judge, nothing religious at all, nice ceremony.

Sensei

I'm Chinese and my last girlfriend was Jewish. We would always amused that if we had kids they'd be Asian Jews.

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Strange Famous

I'm not religious, so I dont really care what man marries my sister as long as he treats here right.

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I keep reading it 'THE Jewish question' because of that.

On a side note I had a Korean female friend who married a jew. Being female converting was even harder for her, which she did, and like most converts she over did it after.

Try to imagine a slightly overweight devote Korean jewish mother. Think 'Kyles Mom' as a Korean.

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james t kirk

Exactly.

Anyone can marry anyone and no-one should demand that their partner convert.

That's just stupid and I'd deal any woman the 9 of spades who ever made such a stupid demand.

buu2

Reform Jews except comitment to the Jewish faith as temporarily enough to join in the community. However, a reform conversion is fairly easy, shows a much greater commitment, and gets the husband fully accepted. A bar mitzvah is never neccessary to claim Jewishness. Lastly, unfortunately, Conservative and Orthodox Jews will not accept a reform conversion or a split-religion marriage as Jewish. Hope that helps.

Strange Famous

Karl Marx also wrote something called "on the Jewish Question"

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Xazy

Bar Mitzvah is turning 13, and thus becoming an adult. No big thing, I do not care if you got called up to the torah, if you had a huge party, but if you are Jewish older then 13, sold, you had one.