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ziadel 10-11-2007 08:53 AM

Jewish Question
 
So, heres the query, we're talking about reformed Jews


Can a gentile (a man, yes his foreskin has been chopped off) marry a Jewish girl without converting or does he have to bar-mitzvah?


oh yeah, I'm one of the brides maids :lol:

LoganSnake 10-11-2007 08:59 AM

As far as I know, you need to be of Jewish faith, as in converted. Chopped dick comes with the territory. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

ngdawg 10-11-2007 09:22 AM

It's his choice, but if he wanted to convert, circumcision is definitely a requirement(so he's safe there), not sure about a Bar Mitzvah. A Rabbi would know what's required outside of Hebrew classes (which have to be taken to convert, of course) and counseling with said Rabbi(akin to the Catholic's Pre-Canon).

Willravel 10-11-2007 09:26 AM

She can marry whoever she wants. You live in the US, not Israel. A Muslim can marry a Jew if they feel like it.

ziadel 10-11-2007 09:31 AM

I'm demanding a Jewish wedding. I want busted glass and chairs and Havah Nagilah. You're absolutely right Will, she could get married no prob with a justice of the peace, but its her wedding, she gets what she wants, EVEN if that means I have to flash a can of zyklon b at the Rabbi to let him know I mean business. :lol:

Cynthetiq 10-11-2007 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel
She can marry whoever she wants. You live in the US, not Israel. A Muslim can marry a Jew if they feel like it.

sure but that doesn't take into account the consequences of those actions, such as ostracization of the family or lack of attendance of family members because it isn't "acceptable."

I married a jewish girl. She's not practicing, I'm non practicing Roman Catholic, so no harm no foul. Parents and family didn't care.

A friend converted to Judaism, she kept kosher for some time, decided it was too much work, so kept some aspects of faith, but doesn't keep a kosher house.

Another friend converted but he wasn't converted by a rabbi who was conservative enough by some of the family members, so they did not attend the wedding.

YMMV

ziadel 10-11-2007 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ngdawg
It's his choice


So he doesnt have to convert to get married in a Synagogue{sp?)?

Crack 10-11-2007 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ziadel
EVEN if that means I have to flash a can of zyklon b at the Rabbi to let him know I mean business. :lol:

this is disturbing. yet I can't help but laugh...

dc_dux 10-11-2007 09:37 AM

Some reform rabbis will conduct interfaith marriage ceremonies in their synagogue and others wont. Conservative and orthodox rabbis definetely wont.

She should ask her rabbi and if he/she wont conduct the ceremony, ask that rabbi to recommend another who will.

Willravel 10-11-2007 09:40 AM

For those who don't know, google "zyklon b" and "holocaust".

You're cruel but hilarious, dude.

ziadel 10-11-2007 09:52 AM

Now, before any sensitive person of Jewish descent gets offended, guess what? I lost an assload of family in the same camps in WW deuce, know what that means? Yeah, zyklon b, I can go there :lol:

I'm talking to a the bride to be about Judaism

[quote]
Quote:

ziadel2001: omfg
HebrewPrincess: wha?
ziadel2001: theres 613 commandments in the Torah!?
ziadel2001: jesus christ
HebrewPrincess: and i'm sure i've broken most of them
ziadel2001: bah
ziadel2001: rules are made to be broken
HebrewPrincess: agreed
ziadel2001: eeep
ziadel2001: you're supposed to fear god
HebrewPrincess: wha???
HebrewPrincess: fear is fo suckas'
ziadel2001: To fear Him reverently (Deut. 6:13; 10:20)
ziadel2001: Number 8
ziadel2001: I fear nothing!
ziadel2001: with the exception of villagers with pitchforks
ziadel2001: they terrify me
ziadel2001: ok
ziadel2001: this is weird
ziadel2001: you cant castrate males of any species
ziadel2001: this includes domesticated animals
HebrewPrincess: you should support that\
ziadel2001: an un-castrated cow is a bull
ziadel2001: and they're mean
ziadel2001: they usually castrate them so they are not dangerous
ziadel2001: the only time they dont is when they want it for rodeo crap and bull fighting
ziadel2001: and chasing silly spaniards
HebrewPrincess: right
ziadel2001: Another rule is you cant commit sodomy with a male
ziadel2001: so apparently it still cool to do a girl up to butt
ziadel2001: heheheh
HebrewPrincess: i wont put anything in his but
HebrewPrincess: he might get mine one day thou
HebrewPrincess:
ziadel2001: I'm sure the rabbi will be quite relieved
ziadel2001: oh its not that bad!
HebrewPrincess: i had a finger once
HebrewPrincess: not that great
ziadel2001: try a tiny tiny tiny
ziadel2001: I mean like pencil thin vibrator
ziadel2001: thats the best way to get a gal into it
HebrewPrincess: well it was a doc looking for internal bleeding
ziadel2001: oh
HebrewPrincess: i guess not he best place to stat judging
ziadel2001: well, that might have had something to do with why you didnt like it
ziadel2001: typically, no one like having strange people put stuff up their butt
HebrewPrincess: i dont mind when i go to the gyno
HebrewPrincess: i feel naughty
ziadel2001: hahahahha
HebrewPrincess: hehehe
ziadel2001: My shrink told me something about that once
HebrewPrincess: uh oh
ziadel2001: at temple they say thank god I'm not a woman at some point he said
ziadel2001: cause it would suck having to hop in the stirrups
HebrewPrincess: its not so bad
ziadel2001: I dunno, it was just one of those weird things he told me
ziadel2001: # 162 - Not to eat the flesh of an ox that was condemned to be stoned
ziadel2001: dont eat the crazy ass cows
ziadel2001: the sane ones taste better
HebrewPrincess: gotcha
ziadel2001: I'm looking for the one about rolling on shabbas
ziadel2001: #365 - That a man shall not wear women's clothing
ziadel2001: Eddies fucked
HebrewPrincess: oh no
ziadel2001: I cant believe this was a problem 4,000 years ago
ziadel2001: and there is STILL a social stigma about it
HebrewPrincess: send me this link
HebrewPrincess: pleez
ziadel2001: http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm
ziadel2001: theres also a lot of info here
ziadel2001: http://www.jewfaq.org/index.htm
ziadel2001: er
ziadel2001: yeah
HebrewPrincess: did they really have to be that specific of who not to commit incest with?
ziadel2001: yeah, I was weondering about that
HebrewPrincess: cant even crave something thats someone elses
ziadel2001: yeah
ziadel2001: mind crime
ziadel2001: hehehhe
ziadel2001: # 514 - Not to offer up a blemished beast that comes from non-Israelites
ziadel2001: if its a cow with three legs that belongs to a Jew, its cool
ziadel2001: but no second rate gentile goods for sacrificing :-P
ziadel2001: lotta leper hate in here too
ziadel2001: and apprently a women on her period is as bad as a leper
HebrewPrincess: i see that
ziadel2001: grape hate too
ziadel2001: very thorough on the personal grooming as well
ziadel2001: #593 - That the Nazarite shall permit his hair to grow
ziadel2001: followed by #594 - That the Nazarite shall not cut his hair
ziadel2001: no wiggle room there
HebrewPrincess: i know
ziadel2001: unless
HebrewPrincess: no loopholes here
ziadel2001: we can find a way to stop hair from growing
ziadel2001: well
ziadel2001: no
ziadel2001: damnit
ziadel2001: well, what if you permit your hair to grow, but it just doesnt/
ziadel2001: like someone electrolyses you against your will?
HebrewPrincess: that might be forgivable
ziadel2001: I'm surprised theres not a rule about it in here
ziadel2001: I keep reading expecting this to start covering things like re-gifting and double parking
ziadel2001: #609 - To have a place outside the camp for sanitary purposes
ziadel2001: (poop in the bathroom)
ziadel2001: #610 - To keep that place sanitary
ziadel2001: (dont forget to flush)
HebrewPrincess: hahahahahahha
ziadel2001: its so specific!
:lol:

Xazy 10-11-2007 09:59 AM

You can do what you want and G-d will sort it out. But if you are asking about the Jewish belief, I can say that Orthodox Jewish belief is you should marry only a Jew. Again I am not judging anyone by saying this, this is the belief but you do what you want, and G-d is the one who I believe who judges.

ziadel 10-11-2007 10:01 AM

Shes not Orthodox, shes Reformed, really reformed, she told me she ate M&M's on Yam Kippur! And had sex!

Not in that order tho, she boinked, then ate M&M's

Frosstbyte 10-11-2007 11:26 AM

Officially, for it to be a Jewish wedding, both parties need to be Jewish. My parents were married by a reform rabbi in a reform synagog and my mom needed to convert before he would do the ceremony.

I mean, how they conduct their household is up to them, but for it to be generally recognized in the faith writ large he'd need to convert officially and do that whole course of study and have a full fledged Jewish ceremony. I'm not sure if they care enough for that whole dog and pony show.

ziadel 10-11-2007 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Frosstbyte
If they care enough for that whole dog and pony show.


She said she did'nt have to have the whole shebang, but he insisted. He's a great guy :) the only boyfriend she has ever had that I actually approved of and got along with at all.

Xazy 10-11-2007 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ziadel
Shes not Orthodox, shes Reformed, really reformed, she told me she ate M&M's on Yam Kippur! And had sex!

Not in that order tho, she boinked, then ate M&M's

If you want to justify and say that she is not very good at practicing her religion that is your choice. However it will not change what the Jewish Belief is. You both have to be Jewish.

Sion 10-11-2007 12:27 PM

this cracked me up

www dot jewfaq dot org

casual user 10-11-2007 05:06 PM

one of my dad's second cousins or something married a jewish chick. i don't think he converted, but i do remember my dad coming back from the wedding with a yamacha (yes, i realize that's not how you spell it, but screw those crazy j's and l's and whatever other random letters that are in that word)

Kadath 10-12-2007 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel
For those who don't know, google "zyklon b" and "holocaust".

You're cruel but hilarious, dude.

The thread is titled 'jewish question.' You could google that and holocaust too. I flinched when I saw the thread title.

BadNick 10-12-2007 07:06 AM

I was raised Roman Catholic but totally do not practice at all since I was aobut 16yo; both of my wives were raised "reformed" Jewish, first one participated in some traditional ceremonies, second was non-religious and actually the whole family seems to be atheist ...OT strangely both wives had the same family name (now they both have my last name) though they are not related at all. For my first marriage, thinking it would be in the spririt of the rising ecumenical spirit at that time, we wanted both a priest and rabbi; after meeting with the local catholic church priests who were actually quite nasty and demanded that we sign papers and promise to baptize and raise our children catholic, we immediately walked out ....my first marriage was done by a reformed rabbi, we did the whole glass breaking and some other traditional ceremonies; we also decided that I would invite a "christian" representative to satisfy my family and broaden the religious part of the ceremony, so I invited a Jesuit priest (knowing they are usually more "revolutionary") who taught my best friend in high school, so he also participated and gave a nice little speech and blessing, I liked the ceremony and so did both families. But I did not have to convert or do anything at all for either marriage, it was never even discussed. For "medical" reasons and doctors' advise to my parents back in the mid 1950's, I was already circumcised when I was about 10yo ...ouch! I used to joke by saying this rabbi would marry any two mammals for a price, but I'm not really sure he drew the line at mammals; and I think I saw a solid 18k gold bracelet on his wrist with "rabbi" written in large diamonds ...my bad rabbi joke. My second marriage was done by a respected local woman judge, nothing religious at all, nice ceremony.

Sensei 10-12-2007 07:32 PM

I'm Chinese and my last girlfriend was Jewish. We would always amused that if we had kids they'd be Asian Jews.

Strange Famous 10-13-2007 04:57 AM

I'm not religious, so I dont really care what man marries my sister as long as he treats here right.

Ustwo 10-13-2007 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kadath
The thread is titled 'jewish question.' You could google that and holocaust too. I flinched when I saw the thread title.

I keep reading it 'THE Jewish question' because of that.

On a side note I had a Korean female friend who married a jew. Being female converting was even harder for her, which she did, and like most converts she over did it after.

Try to imagine a slightly overweight devote Korean jewish mother. Think 'Kyles Mom' as a Korean.

james t kirk 10-13-2007 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel
She can marry whoever she wants. You live in the US, not Israel. A Muslim can marry a Jew if they feel like it.

Exactly.

Anyone can marry anyone and no-one should demand that their partner convert.

That's just stupid and I'd deal any woman the 9 of spades who ever made such a stupid demand.

buu2 10-13-2007 09:59 AM

Reform Jews except comitment to the Jewish faith as temporarily enough to join in the community. However, a reform conversion is fairly easy, shows a much greater commitment, and gets the husband fully accepted. A bar mitzvah is never neccessary to claim Jewishness. Lastly, unfortunately, Conservative and Orthodox Jews will not accept a reform conversion or a split-religion marriage as Jewish. Hope that helps.

Strange Famous 10-13-2007 01:30 PM

Karl Marx also wrote something called "on the Jewish Question"

Xazy 10-13-2007 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buu2
Reform Jews except comitment to the Jewish faith as temporarily enough to join in the community. However, a reform conversion is fairly easy, shows a much greater commitment, and gets the husband fully accepted. A bar mitzvah is never neccessary to claim Jewishness. Lastly, unfortunately, Conservative and Orthodox Jews will not accept a reform conversion or a split-religion marriage as Jewish. Hope that helps.

Bar Mitzvah is turning 13, and thus becoming an adult. No big thing, I do not care if you got called up to the torah, if you had a huge party, but if you are Jewish older then 13, sold, you had one.


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