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Cynthetiq · 07-29-2007, 05:31 PM

Penn & Teller Bullshit Season 1

Val_1 · 07-30-2007, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by onesnowyowl

Yeah, I thought that most people knew this...

Same here. Bottled water (I always thought) sells for the convenience, not because it's bottled fairy piss. If I had a choice between bottled tap water and bottled fairy piss, I wouldn't pay 1 penny more for either one. I get the cheapest water they have. If it's possible, I bring my own water.

FoolThemAll · 07-30-2007, 10:05 AM

Isn't actual spring water supposed to have a greater chance of containing unhealthy impurities like lead and bacteria? Would that apply to Evian?

krwlz · 07-30-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by FoolThemAll

Isn't actual spring water supposed to have a greater chance of containing unhealthy impurities like lead and bacteria? Would that apply to Evian?

You're probably right, as that spring is flowing through bedrock before it comes up through the spring. Personally, depending on the minerals, I think most of it tastes better. Distilled water sucks. Boiled water sucks. The water from my well, tastes great. Although after watching Penn and Teller, maybe it's my imagination.

The only time I buy bottled water is on car trips, because I like having water to drink, and it's convenient.

kutulu · 07-30-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

What do you people know about your own municipal water supply?

NYC Metropolitan Water Quality 2006

The water can be totally clean but the taste can still suck. I read our annual report and everything is as it should be, too bad taste isn't a measureable quantity.

smooth · 07-31-2007, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by krwlz

You're probably right, as that spring is flowing through bedrock before it comes up through the spring. Personally, depending on the minerals, I think most of it tastes better. Distilled water sucks. Boiled water sucks. The water from my well, tastes great. Although after watching Penn and Teller, maybe it's my imagination.

The only time I buy bottled water is on car trips, because I like having water to drink, and it's convenient.

I don't think it's your imagination.
I'd suspect well water would taste very good, as does my Grandparents' well water in Oregon and, before that, their well water in Sacramento.

Of course, their water is hard, leaves deposits all over anything it touches, and is filled with impurities...the same reason it tastes so good. And makes me skeptical that any filter salesperson would claim any unfiltered water source is "99% pure."

When I filter my water for my reef tanks, I actually *need* it to be 99% pure. It tastes like shit, and in some cases isn't even healthy. I have to run pure water back through a carbon filter to try and add some taste back to it. Pure water destroys things rapidly, too.

Anyway, there is an indirect relationship between "taste good" and water "purity." The dirtier it is, the more it will taste. And often that taste is something good. Old/dangerous piping *will* affect both the taste and quality of your tap water, so home filters may make sense for some. If chloramines bother you, buy something to dechlorinate it and then leave a jug sit for 24 hours to evap the chlorine that breaks out from the chloramines.

Anyway, we have to buy bottled water in a lot of places because they [businesses] either won't give it out or won't let people carry around their own. But other than that, I don't and I rarely filter my drinking water at home even with my RO/DI unit.

jorgelito · 07-31-2007, 06:04 PM

Smooth, can you post pics of your reef tank (in the Pets forum). Would love to talk about it.

Sorry for the threadjack.

fooie · 07-31-2007, 08:21 PM

What I object to in tap water is CHLORINE, which can be removed with reverse osmosis, activated charcoal filtration, or distillation.

Nnoodles · 07-31-2007, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Karby

http://www.reuters.com/article/healt...0070726?rpc=92

heh. big business suckers the general public once again.

seriously though, people, just get a water filter. with this info out, what now is the difference? the brita one works wonders.
i quit with the whole 'pristine bottled water' crap the minute i got one, and that was quite some time ago. because i don't care how you look at it, straight non-filtered DC tap water still tastes like ass.

Right now theres a huge move against bottled water companies against Bottled water itself. Believe it or not, this opposition is not basing itself on the way the water tastes, fairy piss or not

The reason for this move is solely on the amounts of materials and processing involved to bottle, ship, and sell a service that is already in place all over America in the convenience of a bottle. All that work to bring you "tap water" in a bottle when its at the friggin tap to begin with seems silly when you think about all the polutants involved to do so.

The whole idea of marketing and actually having a huge demand now for bottled water is a huge mind fuck to begin with, imho. The water going thru a very simple filtering process, direct from thier main water source, which was always there, costs equalling just pennies, and then shipping it out across the country side in trucks and containers for a huge huge mark up at the stores.. And now, to ice the friggin cake these big fat cat water companies are preyin on the weak again with thier simple marketing tactic to add "tap water source" on thier label, as if its a new feature! All just to help trick thier consumers into thinking, hey, this is enviromentaly friendly water. ha!

The whole thing has nothing to do with taste, just a cheap gimmick to make it look like they care about the environment, when really its the all mighty dollar that runs the show. Nothing new there.

Cynthetiq · 08-01-2007, 10:03 AM

NYTimes.com editorial

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August 1, 2007
Editorial
In Praise of Tap Water
On the streets of New York or Denver or San Mateo this summer, it seems the telltale cap of a water bottle is sticking out of every other satchel. Americans are increasingly thirsty for what is billed as the healthiest, and often most expensive, water on the grocery shelf. But this country has some of the best public water supplies in the world. Instead of consuming four billion gallons of water a year in individual-sized bottles, we need to start thinking about what all those bottles are doing to the planet’s health.

Here are the hard, dry facts: Yes, drinking water is a good thing, far better than buying soft drinks, or liquid candy, as nutritionists like to call it. And almost all municipal water in America is so good that nobody needs to import a single bottle from Italy or France or the Fiji Islands. Meanwhile, if you choose to get your recommended eight glasses a day from bottled water, you could spend up to $1,400 annually. The same amount of tap water would cost about 49 cents.

Next, there’s the environment. Water bottles, like other containers, are made from natural gas and petroleum. The Earth Policy Institute in Washington has estimated that it takes about 1.5 million barrels of oil to make the water bottles Americans use each year. That could fuel 100,000 cars a year instead. And, only about 23 percent of those bottles are recycled, in part because water bottles are often not included in local redemption plans that accept beer and soda cans. Add in the substantial amount of fuel used in transporting water, which is extremely heavy, and the impact on the environment is anything but refreshing.

Tap water may now be the equal of bottled water, but that could change. The more the wealthy opt out of drinking tap water, the less political support there will be for investing in maintaining America’s public water supply. That would be a serious loss. Access to cheap, clean water is basic to the nation’s health.

Some local governments have begun to fight back. Earlier this summer, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom prohibited his city’s departments and agencies from buying bottled water, noting that San Francisco water is “some of the most pristine on the planet.” Salt Lake City has issued a similar decree, and New York City recently began an advertising campaign that touted its water as “clean,” “zero sugar” and even “stain free.”

The real change, though, will come when millions of ordinary consumers realize that they can save money, and save the planet, by turning in their water bottles and turning on the tap.

snowy · 08-01-2007, 10:05 AM

Our student newspaper published an editorial today dealing with this topic:

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OSU made the switch from a Coca-Cola to Pepsi campus nearly a year ago. And with that change came a new bottled water - Aquafina.

According the Associated Press, Pepsi is currently the number two beverage company - but on Friday the company made a surprising announcement.

The label of Aquafina bottles will now include the phrase "The Aquafina in this bottle is purified water that originates from a public water source." In otherwords, tap water that has gone through a big Brita filter.

The plus side: tap water has fluoride in it - which helps with tooth decay. According to the Web site kidshealth.com, 66 percent of the United States gets flouride from their tap - unless it is well water. There is only 0.7 to 0.12 parts fluoride per million parts water. So maybe Pepsi is just trying to help the quality of teeth in the United States - Go Pepsi.

The Corporation Accountability International, a watchdog group, found that the product was "made with tap water."

So ... why are we paying for tap water? Is it the aesthetic bottle? Even then, a plastic bottle does not cost a dollar to manufacture, plus the extra five cents for bottle tax.

Walking from one class to another, you can tell that most students have two things with them: their cell phone and a bottle of water.

It is great that the public is drinking water, you are supposed to drink half your body weight in ounces per day according to ghcwealth.com.

Therefore a 120 pounds person should be drinking 60 ounces of water, or three bottles a day. That would be $21 a week, $84 a month, $1,008 a year (that is if you buy a bottle each day), which is really disappointing because it's just water you can get straight from your own sink. And even more disappointing is the $15 billion worth of bottled water sold each year, according to the AP.

So you might be thinking it would be smart to reuse your bottle - wrong. Ghcwealth.com says that it is a common misconception. People believe they are doing a good deed by not using more bottles.

However, bacteria builds up in the bottles, which leads to several common illnesses in young children. Plastic bottles also break down in time, leaking toxins into your water, and your body, which studies have found lead to types of cancer.

Lesson to be learned? Buy a Nalgene, fill it with tap water, and replace it every six months. It will save you quite a bit of money. Even if you are a loyal Aquafina drinker, you're getting the same water. Nalgene's are safer anyway, they are the safest plastic (number seven as shown on the bottom of the bottle), and releases the least toxins. However, not drinking Aquafina does not mean that you no longer like Pepsi, it's just saying you want safer, cheaper water.

Charlatan · 08-02-2007, 06:31 AM

People who buy bottled water by the case (or really at all) are fools... and you know what they say about fools and their money.

I would also take care using Nalgene bottles. The plastic they use to make those hard, transparent plastics leech some very nasty chemicals, including hormones like Estrogen.

MSD · 08-03-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FoolThemAll

Isn't actual spring water supposed to have a greater chance of containing unhealthy impurities like lead and bacteria? Would that apply to Evian?

Tap water is one of the most heavily regulated liquids there is. It may taste like dirt (like mine at home,) or like a swimming pool (like mine at work,) but under normal circumstances, it's guaranteed to be safe to drink and good for you.

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Originally Posted by fooie

What I object to in tap water is CHLORINE, which can be removed with reverse osmosis, activated charcoal filtration, or distillation.

If you leave a glass of water sitting out for a few hours, the chlorine will evaporate.

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

I would also take care using Nalgene bottles. The plastic they use to make those hard, transparent plastics leech some very nasty chemicals, including hormones like Estrogen.

This is 100% myth.

analog · 08-03-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MrSelfDestruct

If you leave a glass of water sitting out for a few hours, the chlorine will evaporate.

I keep a gallon jug filled up with water from the tap in the refrigerator... the time it sits in there removes any remaining chlorine taste by the time I drink it (and I drink a lot of water). Grant you, my water doesn't taste too bad of chlorine to start with, so your mileage may vary on this, but I find the chlorine taste is totally gone just by putting the water in a jug and letting it sit in the fridge for a while.

snowy · 08-03-2007, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

People who buy bottled water by the case (or really at all) are fools... and you know what they say about fools and their money.

I would also take care using Nalgene bottles. The plastic they use to make those hard, transparent plastics leech some very nasty chemicals, including hormones like Estrogen.

You have to put the polycarbonate under extreme stress (typically chemical and heat) for it to start leeching compounds in the polycarbonate, and even then, the amount leeched is very insignificant because the amount of the compound (BPA) is very small, and is not present on the surface of the polycarbonate bottle. If you replace your Nalgene every six months as recommended, there is little to no chance of these compounds leeching into the water held in the bottle. Furthermore, Nalgene also sells HDPE plastic bottles that do not contain the questionable compounds in polycarbonate.

That said, I still use my polycarbonate Nalgene constantly, and will replace it in December, as suggested. The very small risk I take in possibly consuming inconsequential amounts of BPA is worth keeping other plastic water bottles out of landfills.

http://www.nalgenelabware.com/techda...phthalates.asp

fooie · 08-12-2007, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MrSelfDestruct

If you leave a glass of water sitting out for a few hours, the chlorine will evaporate.

So you're driving down the road and get thirsty. You fill your glass with tap water from a restroom and place it in your cup holder. You let it sit for several hours to evaporate the chlorine, and finally quench your thirst?

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Originally Posted by analog

I keep a gallon jug filled up with water from the tap in the refrigerator... the time it sits in there removes any remaining chlorine taste by the time I drink it (and I drink a lot of water). Grant you, my water doesn't taste too bad of chlorine to start with, so your mileage may vary on this, but I find the chlorine taste is totally gone just by putting the water in a jug and letting it sit in the fridge for a while.

Works for me. Can be a problem while traveling, however. I try to buy purified water by the gallon while on the road. It's far cheaper and more environmentally sound. When one is not used to chlorine in drinking water at home, it can be overpowering when traveling. Chlorine in water can ruin fountain soft drinks as well.

Cynthetiq · 08-12-2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fooie

So you're driving down the road and get thirsty. You fill your glass with tap water from a restroom and place it in your cup holder. You let it sit for several hours to evaporate the chlorine, and finally quench your thirst?

Works for me. Can be a problem while traveling, however. I try to buy purified water by the gallon while on the road. It's far cheaper and more environmentally sound. When one is not used to chlorine in drinking water at home, it can be overpowering when traveling. Chlorine in water can ruin fountain soft drinks as well.

Environmentally sound? It's in a plastic bottle that got trucked in from a distance.... that's not environmentally sound.

It maybe be your preference, but please don't lie to us and yourself with the convincing statement that it's "environmentally sound."

eavN · 08-12-2007, 07:43 PM

I heard somewhere that the cost per gigalitre of bottled water, from brands like Evian and the like, is astronomically greater than the cost per litre of your own tap water. It's common sense, and not very surprising, but you'd save a hell of a lot of money filtering your tap water, and putting it in a bottle ^_^

fooie · 08-24-2007, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

Environmentally sound? It's in a plastic bottle that got trucked in from a distance.... that's not environmentally sound.

It maybe be your preference, but please don't lie to us and yourself with the convincing statement that it's "environmentally sound."

Which is more environmentally sound, buying 8 pints of bottles water or a single gallon?

evilbeefchan · 09-13-2007, 08:49 PM

Thanks for posting that, Cynthetiq! I haven't been able to catch Penn & Teller's show since they cut our Showtime.

I've been reusing my beat up Thermos flasks, filled with some nice, cool and cheap tap water. Sure it's clunky as hell, and I feel like a jerk carrying it around the market with me, but I haven't bought bottled water in forever. Recently I've been using a glass Voss bottle, but fear the inevitable shattering/public shrapnel disaster.

caver · 09-15-2007, 10:24 AM

Don't forget about the hazards of Di-Hydrogen Monoxide!!!!

Di-Hydrogen Monoxide link

Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the unstable radical Hydroxide, the components of which are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.

Snopes DHMO

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Munku · 09-16-2007, 11:40 PM

I've always hated bottled water. I've never actually purchased any with my own money. I can't taste anything special about them. I just cup my hands under the faucet and chug! Orlando's tap water is delicious.

Quinte_Essentia · 09-24-2007, 05:30 AM

I live in Iceland and our water is really pure here, every one drinks tap water and there is basically no market for filters. There is bottled water sold at select shops most of which carry it for tourists that come from areas where drinking water from the tap probably is not that smart.

Kryptoni · 09-27-2007, 09:24 AM

blah... who needs water.. I only drink Gin or Vodka....

07-29-2007, 05:31 PM	#41 (permalink)
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07-30-2007, 10:05 AM	#43 (permalink)
FoolThemAll Walking is Still Honest Location: Seattle, WA	Isn't actual spring water supposed to have a greater chance of containing unhealthy impurities like lead and bacteria? Would that apply to Evian? __________________ I wonder if we're stuck in Rome.

08-02-2007, 06:31 AM	#52 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	People who buy bottled water by the case (or really at all) are fools... and you know what they say about fools and their money. I would also take care using Nalgene bottles. The plastic they use to make those hard, transparent plastics leech some very nasty chemicals, including hormones like Estrogen. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

08-12-2007, 07:43 PM	#58 (permalink)
eavN Upright	I heard somewhere that the cost per gigalitre of bottled water, from brands like Evian and the like, is astronomically greater than the cost per litre of your own tap water. It's common sense, and not very surprising, but you'd save a hell of a lot of money filtering your tap water, and putting it in a bottle ^_^ __________________ "I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~Frank Sinatra

09-15-2007, 10:24 AM	#61 (permalink)
caver Tilted Location: Texas, Lbk	Don't forget about the hazards of Di-Hydrogen Monoxide!!!! Di-Hydrogen Monoxide link Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the unstable radical Hydroxide, the components of which are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol. Snopes DHMO Snopes has disabled right clicking to copy. __________________ "They misunderestimated me." "You never let the crack whore tie you up on the first date." (The_Jazz)

07-31-2007, 06:04 PM	#47 (permalink)
jorgelito All important elusive independent swing voter... Location: People's Republic of KKKalifornia	Smooth, can you post pics of your reef tank (in the Pets forum). Would love to talk about it. Sorry for the threadjack.

07-31-2007, 08:21 PM	#48 (permalink)
fooie Upright Location: New Mexico	What I object to in tap water is CHLORINE, which can be removed with reverse osmosis, activated charcoal filtration, or distillation.

09-13-2007, 08:49 PM	#60 (permalink)
evilbeefchan Addict Location: Alhambra, CA	Thanks for posting that, Cynthetiq! I haven't been able to catch Penn & Teller's show since they cut our Showtime. I've been reusing my beat up Thermos flasks, filled with some nice, cool and cheap tap water. Sure it's clunky as hell, and I feel like a jerk carrying it around the market with me, but I haven't bought bottled water in forever. Recently I've been using a glass Voss bottle, but fear the inevitable shattering/public shrapnel disaster.

09-16-2007, 11:40 PM	#62 (permalink)
Munku Lost Location: Florida	I've always hated bottled water. I've never actually purchased any with my own money. I can't taste anything special about them. I just cup my hands under the faucet and chug! Orlando's tap water is delicious.

09-24-2007, 05:30 AM	#63 (permalink)
Quinte_Essentia Upright	I live in Iceland and our water is really pure here, every one drinks tap water and there is basically no market for filters. There is bottled water sold at select shops most of which carry it for tourists that come from areas where drinking water from the tap probably is not that smart.

09-27-2007, 09:24 AM	#64 (permalink)
Kryptoni Upright Location: Baltimore, MD	blah... who needs water.. I only drink Gin or Vodka.... __________________ *Two Ball Cain?*