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Women are often completely devalued in many countries around the world... would I be "imposing my morality" by saying I would like that to change and for those women to have some amount of choice in their lives? My own goal with this thread and my only goal in my personal thoughts with such topics is to make sure people are at least aware. Occasionally, there is the person that says, "I didn't know this was happening, I'd like to get involved" But...I've been around enough to know most people aren't really stirred by such things anyway. thanks, sweetpea
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03-03-2007, 06:31 PM | #42 (permalink) | |
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03-03-2007, 07:56 PM | #43 (permalink) | |
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You pointing out women being devalued in other countires/cultures is a great example of that moral imposition against those that believe their country/culture is right/acceptable. That is all that I was adding along those lines. Will, sectioning off just that part of my discussion along with your comment is implying that I accept that as acceptable. Nothing in ALL the links and comments I have made suggest that.
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03-07-2007, 09:26 PM | #44 (permalink) | |
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I think all humans, regaurdless of their gender deserve some reasonable freedom of choice, yes. Short of flaming you... If you see that not as a basic right... but as a 'moral imposition'on my part... then I think we need to agree to disagree. thanks, sweetpea
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03-07-2007, 10:09 PM | #45 (permalink) | |
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I'm advocating that knowing that if I'm making the impostion it is equally fair for someone else to make the imposition upon me, and I have to be thick skinned enough to say,"Thank you for your opinion, no thank you.
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03-07-2007, 10:23 PM | #46 (permalink) |
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The point I was trying to make, Cynth, was that some morals are so universal that the idea of imposing them really should be the last thing to consider. Take, for example, murder of children. I think that, except for a few extreme and long gone times and places, everyone can agree that murdering a child in cold blood is very, very wrong.
I think these people know what they are doing is wrong, but do it anyway because they can get away with it. If we were to stop them, we would not be stripping them of their morals or imposing morals on them that they didn't have before we stepped in. |
03-07-2007, 10:47 PM | #47 (permalink) | ||
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But if you want to get rid of the child sex trade, then you have to support ethical people in the Cambodian government and support US presidential runners who actually care about poor countries. Namely women Senators and congresswomen. They seem to be on the forefront of change against sex-trafficking. http://maloney.house.gov/index.php?o...=732&Itemid=41 End Demand for Sex Trafficking Act (H.R. 2012, 109th Congress) -- Representative Maloney is the lead Democrat on legislation introduced by Representative Deborah Pryce (R-OH) which will reduce the demand for trafficking by supporting the development of more effective means of combating unlawful commercial sex activities by targeting demand; protecting children from the predators and exploiters who use them in commercial sex activities; clarifying that the operation of sex tours is prohibited under federal law; assisting State and local governments in their enforcement of existing laws dealing with commercial sex activities; conducting a Biennial Statistical Review every two years to provide a more accurate picture of the problem; and conveninge an Annual Report and Conference on best practices about reducing demand for commercial sex acts. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.2012: Jonathan Quote:
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In taking your last statement, that same logic applies to those opposing birth control and those for birth control. Again, you prove my statments that each side can have the same fundamentalism and conviction in their beliefs, which again, is something that I've been trying to point out. I acknowledge your points and understand them, do you understand mine?
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03-07-2007, 11:45 PM | #50 (permalink) | |
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I don't know if they believe what they are doing is wrong. I can't say that with 100% accuracy. I did in my travels have people ask me to go with them to small villages in Asia so that they could find young girls 13-16, families happy to take in the income for the sale of sex with their child as that amount of money could be sometimes what they made in a whole year which could feed and educate some of the other children. I never did go with them on the excursions, and afterwards curtailed my business with them, but still again, judging family intentions, I am unable to.
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03-14-2007, 03:05 AM | #52 (permalink) | |
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03-14-2007, 04:18 AM | #53 (permalink) | |
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Spoken like a lawyer. When the older son still couldn't speak adequately and his mother was being sworn in, he asked her, "Mama, are you gonna be a liar today?"
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03-14-2007, 04:52 PM | #56 (permalink) |
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Now THAT'S funny! For such a depressing thread it comes as a surprize!
I thought this was about our specie's inability to treat each other as equals and there you go giving gifts. Thankyou!
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03-14-2007, 05:20 PM | #58 (permalink) | |
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03-14-2007, 05:50 PM | #59 (permalink) |
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(coughing up furballs) As long as willing sellers and buyers are among us, and the planet is so large, what is this discussion accomplishing except upsetting the powerless verbose? Does anybody have any thoughts about what can be done beyond decrying?
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03-24-2007, 11:13 PM | #61 (permalink) |
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I really don't know what to take from this. I'm in a state of bewilderment at the entire scope of the happenings in such poor countries like Cambodia.
I happen to have a really close friend of mine who is Cambodian. I am just vigorously thinking how this could affect my relationship with her. Would she know of these immoral practices? Did she have this sort of depravity happen to her? Did she move away to escape it all? Or could she be totally oblivious to the shady side of her home country? It boggles the mind how we all can live on one world so full of stark contrasts of what is deemed to be morally right and ethical. I'll go meditate on this and talk it out with strangers tomorrow. ~Jets |
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I was reading an article about Ricky Martin and him supporting gay musicians coming out of the closet, when I stumbled upon this tidbit:
[QUOTE]He said his nonprofit Ricky Martin Foundation inspires him in his songwriting. One of the foundation's programs, People for Children, works toward the elimination of human trafficking, especially trafficking of children./QUOTE] I looked up what the site had to offer, and a couple quotes: Quote:
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