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Crack · 08-30-2006, 10:20 AM

Marcus Fiesel was a 3 year old boy. He had a rough life. A while back, he was given to a foster family to care for him because his birth mother could not do it. He was usually seen wandering the neighborhood, dirty, unfed, usually alone. He was two years old then.. He is now just only 3. His Foster mother had a heart condition, which led to her passing out at a park where she had taken little Marcus Fiesel to play. Like usual, Marcus liked to wander, and so he did. His apparent wandering caused a massive manhunt the likes of which has never been seen before in this area, very near to where I live. 3 days passed, and Marcus was not found.

Because? This was a lie. Marcus did not run off.

His Foster mother and father killed him. They had a family reunion to go to in Kentucky, and for whatever reason, they didn't want to bring Marcus with them. Maybe because he was a foster child and they didn't want to bring him to a 'family only' event, or maybe because they just didn't want to have a child with them at all. We may never know.

But what we do know makes me want to beat both of these evil people to death with a baseball bat.

Instead of taking him with them to Kentucky, or finding a baby sitter, they Taped Marcus' hands behind his back and locked him in a closet at their home for the duration of the reunion. For 2 whole days, without air conditioning, food or water, Marcus lay there, dying.
Upon return, the foster father, David Carroll Jr took the little body of Marcus to a secluded area and burned the remains. They made up the story for the police and the press, going as far as appearing on camera, urging people to keep looking and pleading for his safe return.

The high temperatures Aug. 4 through the Aug. 6 ranged from 87 to 92 degrees.

I don't believe in God, or heaven and hell or even Tom Cruise, but there are situations like this that I believe that whatever happens to these people is not nearly enough to pay for what they did to this helpless little boy. I have included the links to the story, and the pictures. (I know he is under 18, but I am not posting the pictures, and I am only linking to the story directly)
The words above are mine and mine alone. I didn't think it was right to post a quote from some journalist at a newspaper that didin't experience the story as it was brought to the public at large.
Everyone around here hoped the kid would be found, no one, and I mean no one thought that the foster parents had anything to do with it.

What do you think an appropriate punishment would be? I say nothing less than death.

http://www.middletownjournal.com/hp/...fieselweb.html

http://www.middletownjournal.com/hp/...06fiesel2.html

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs...50360/-1/CINCI

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.d...608170390/1077

I will quote one source: http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.d...WS01/308300001

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cincinnati Enquirer

David and Liz Carroll pinned their 3-year-old foster son’s arms behind his back, covered him in a blanket and then wrapped him with packing tape like a mummy, Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters said today.

Only the toddler’s head was exposed, he said.

Then, as Marcus Fiesel cried out in fear, the Union Township couple turned on a fan, shut the door to the 5-foot-by-7-foot closet, walked down the stairs and left the house for a day and a half to attend a family reunion in Kentucky

Ample · 08-30-2006, 10:30 AM

I don’t believe in the death penalty under any reason, but if I had to pick one this would be it. Truly the lowest form of human out there would do this to a child. If it were up to me I would have the living shit kicked out of them everyday for years and years.

The_Jazz · 08-30-2006, 10:39 AM

There is no consitutionally allowed punishment appropriate for this kind of crime if the allegations are true. We do not allow the "cruel and unusual", but that's what these folks deserve. They deserve something horrible, but even if they get the death penalty, that's not what they'll get.

That said, I still don't necessarily support the death penalty given how much it's been misused in the recent past. This case, however, is one of those occassions that maybe it's appropriate.

Although unaddressed in the OP, I think that what really stinks is that the system failed Marcus multiple times on multiple levels.

fresnelly · 08-30-2006, 10:44 AM

Put them in a cell with a large public viewing window.

Borgs · 08-30-2006, 11:28 AM

It astonishes me that such malice would exist in this world, although I am comforted by knowing that they will get thier punishment in the afterlife, wherever it may be. Or, if you aren't religious, the baseball bat idea seems to be a solid second option

shoegirl · 08-30-2006, 11:49 AM

Also, the foster family moved out of the house they rented shortly after Marcus was reported 'missing'. Did they think nobody would notice?
http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/...sing_late.html

And as a friend of mine said, If the story of Marcus Fiesel doesn't make you puke in your mouth or say a prayer, then, I just don't have any hope for the world anymore.

frogza · 08-30-2006, 11:53 AM

Stories like this make it easier to believe that humans came from slime. Scientists want a missing link? Here it is.

JustJess · 08-30-2006, 11:59 AM

I hate people.

A lot.

analog · 08-30-2006, 12:18 PM

If knowledge of their crime gets out in prison, they will be raped and beaten senseless for a long time, possibly to death.

That would be a blessing to them, compared to the torment they deserve.

I, unlike many others here, am not additionally swayed by the fact that it's a kid- I'm just as enraged, however, because it was a helpless human being (no matter the age).

Death is too good a punishment. Torture, while attractive, only lowers us.

The punishment for these people? Solitary confinement, until the day they die from old age. They can never speak to another person, most especially not each other, for the rest of their pathetic existence. No visitors, no nothing. Just them, 4 walls, a toilet, and a bed. And if they try killing themselves, let them- they're going to hell anyway.

cookmo · 08-30-2006, 12:47 PM

Crack, this little boy, and what he has been through, has been close to my heart. I was at that same park, the day before, with my own three year old son. And when I heard the story, I feared for him, because when I am at the park, I watch all the kid's. And when he didn't turn up,within a few hours, I knew.

I agree that death is to easy of a punishment. But in cases as these I am not against lowering myself for retribution. I wish the movie "flatliners" was real, and we could torture them repeatedly, the same way they did Marcus, and just when they were on the brink of death, bring them back for another round.
And then when their bodies gave out for the last time, I would get great satisfaction knowing that they were in hell, repeating the process for eternity. Because I do believe thats what hell is.

Crack · 08-30-2006, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cookmo

Crack, this little boy, and what he has been through, has been close to my heart. I was at that same park, the day before, with my own three year old son. And when I heard the story, I feared for him, because when I am at the park, I watch all the kid's. And when he didn't turn up,within a few hours, I knew.

Then you live extremely close to me.

shoegirl · 08-30-2006, 12:57 PM

look up, cookmo lives in Cincy. quite close to both of us.

cookmo · 08-30-2006, 01:28 PM

East Side of the 275 loop.=)

magictoy · 08-30-2006, 03:28 PM

I'm all for outsourcing our prisons to, say, Haiti, or Malawi.

Lady Sage · 08-30-2006, 04:39 PM

Get ready to burn me at the stake, but I feel for this several old school punnishments should be used. Or better yet lets torture them to the brink of insanity... finger nails grow back and so does hair, paper cuts with lemon juice on them go away... let them heal then do it again and again and......

Seaver · 08-30-2006, 04:56 PM

Reasons like this I am happy I live in Texas.

lurkette · 08-30-2006, 05:09 PM

What makes me really angry is that people like my friend Heather get turned down to be foster parents because the room the kid would stay in doesn't have a closet (it has an armoire), but parents at the orientation who ask only "when does the check come" get approved.

Our foster care system is deeply in need of reform. To say the least.

robot_parade · 08-30-2006, 05:18 PM

The more I hear about the foster care and adoption systems in this country, the more horrified I become. I know there are lots of good people out there, but with all the ridiculous things that people have to go through to get the care of children, you'd think they could weed out the sickos.

Which isn't to say that these sick people wouldn't have done something equally horrible to their own child, or someone else's, or a total stranger.

DEI37 · 08-30-2006, 06:55 PM

Their death penalty (and it should be used) should be the same as what they did to that little boy. Put 'em in an airtight room, no light, no food, no water...and let 'em suffocate and starve to death. People (IF you care to call them that) are getting more and more disgusting all the time.

The_Jazz · 08-31-2006, 05:11 AM

Some of the responses on this thread are the reason why I am glad that the Constitution bans cruel and unusual punishment and that there are proscribed punishments built into every criminal law.

If the people of Ohio allow the death penalty (which they do) and these folks are found guilty (which they probably will be given the information out there), then that's the appropriate punishment. I'll draw a distinction between what's appropriate by law and what they actually deserve, and it's an important line.

JustJess · 08-31-2006, 05:53 AM

^^ Don't mistake expressions of dismay and anger for anything that we would actually enact. It's just upsetting that there are constantly reports of cases like this, in which there was no rhyme or reason, just sick people doing sick things to those more helpless than they.

That being said, no one's going to cry if they get run over and die slowly of internal bleeding, either.

The_Jazz · 08-31-2006, 06:31 AM

JJ - I agree. I won't shed any tears if they develop pancreatic cancer or something equally painful. I just have a problem with people saying that the equivalent of deliberately infecting these folks with pancreatic cancer is a viable punishment. It's not and it never should be.

But if they die in an accidental fire, that's fine with me too.

08-30-2006, 10:30 AM	#2 (permalink)
Ample Psycho Location: In your closet	I don’t believe in the death penalty under any reason, but if I had to pick one this would be it. Truly the lowest form of human out there would do this to a child. If it were up to me I would have the living shit kicked out of them everyday for years and years. __________________ Her juju beads are so nice She kissed my third cousin twice Im the king of pomona

08-30-2006, 10:39 AM	#3 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	There is no consitutionally allowed punishment appropriate for this kind of crime if the allegations are true. We do not allow the "cruel and unusual", but that's what these folks deserve. They deserve something horrible, but even if they get the death penalty, that's not what they'll get. That said, I still don't necessarily support the death penalty given how much it's been misused in the recent past. This case, however, is one of those occassions that maybe it's appropriate. Although unaddressed in the OP, I think that what really stinks is that the system failed Marcus multiple times on multiple levels. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

08-30-2006, 10:44 AM	#4 (permalink)
fresnelly Functionally Appropriate Location: Toronto	Put them in a cell with a large public viewing window. __________________ Building an artificial intelligence that appreciates Mozart is easy. Building an A.I. that appreciates a theme restaurant is the real challenge - Kit Roebuck - Nine Planets Without Intelligent Life

08-30-2006, 11:59 AM	#8 (permalink)
JustJess Unencapsulated Location: Kittyville	I hate people. A lot. __________________ My heart knows me better than I know myself, so I'm gonna let it do all the talkin'.

08-30-2006, 04:56 PM	#16 (permalink)
Seaver Junkie Location: Fort Worth, TX	Reasons like this I am happy I live in Texas. __________________ "Smite the rocks with the rod of knowledge, and fountains of unstinted wealth will gush forth." - Ashbel Smith as he laid the first cornerstone of the University of Texas

08-30-2006, 11:28 AM	#5 (permalink)
Borgs Tilted	It astonishes me that such malice would exist in this world, although I am comforted by knowing that they will get thier punishment in the afterlife, wherever it may be. Or, if you aren't religious, the baseball bat idea seems to be a solid second option

08-30-2006, 11:49 AM	#6 (permalink)
shoegirl Addict Location: Ohio	Also, the foster family moved out of the house they rented shortly after Marcus was reported 'missing'. Did they think nobody would notice? http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/...sing_late.html And as a friend of mine said, If the story of Marcus Fiesel doesn't make you puke in your mouth or say a prayer, then, I just don't have any hope for the world anymore.

08-30-2006, 11:53 AM	#7 (permalink)
frogza Registered User Location: Right Here	Stories like this make it easier to believe that humans came from slime. Scientists want a missing link? Here it is.

08-30-2006, 12:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
analog Banned	If knowledge of their crime gets out in prison, they will be raped and beaten senseless for a long time, possibly to death. That would be a blessing to them, compared to the torment they deserve. I, unlike many others here, am not additionally swayed by the fact that it's a kid- I'm just as enraged, however, because it was a helpless human being (no matter the age). Death is too good a punishment. Torture, while attractive, only lowers us. The punishment for these people? Solitary confinement, until the day they die from old age. They can never speak to another person, most especially not each other, for the rest of their pathetic existence. No visitors, no nothing. Just them, 4 walls, a toilet, and a bed. And if they try killing themselves, let them- they're going to hell anyway.

08-30-2006, 12:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
cookmo Insane Location: Ohio	Crack, this little boy, and what he has been through, has been close to my heart. I was at that same park, the day before, with my own three year old son. And when I heard the story, I feared for him, because when I am at the park, I watch all the kid's. And when he didn't turn up,within a few hours, I knew. I agree that death is to easy of a punishment. But in cases as these I am not against lowering myself for retribution. I wish the movie "flatliners" was real, and we could torture them repeatedly, the same way they did Marcus, and just when they were on the brink of death, bring them back for another round. And then when their bodies gave out for the last time, I would get great satisfaction knowing that they were in hell, repeating the process for eternity. Because I do believe thats what hell is.

08-30-2006, 12:57 PM	#12 (permalink)
shoegirl Addict Location: Ohio	look up, cookmo lives in Cincy. quite close to both of us.

08-30-2006, 01:28 PM	#13 (permalink)
cookmo Insane Location: Ohio	East Side of the 275 loop.=)

08-30-2006, 03:28 PM	#14 (permalink)
magictoy Crazy	I'm all for outsourcing our prisons to, say, Haiti, or Malawi.

08-30-2006, 04:39 PM	#15 (permalink)
Lady Sage Mistress of Mayhem Location: Canton, Ohio	Get ready to burn me at the stake, but I feel for this several old school punnishments should be used. Or better yet lets torture them to the brink of insanity... finger nails grow back and so does hair, paper cuts with lemon juice on them go away... let them heal then do it again and again and......

08-30-2006, 05:09 PM	#17 (permalink)
lurkette My future is coming on Moderator Emeritus Location: east of the sun and west of the moon	What makes me really angry is that people like my friend Heather get turned down to be foster parents because the room the kid would stay in doesn't have a closet (it has an armoire), but parents at the orientation who ask only "when does the check come" get approved. Our foster care system is deeply in need of reform. To say the least. __________________ "If ten million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing." - Anatole France

08-30-2006, 05:18 PM	#18 (permalink)
robot_parade Junkie Location: San Antonio, TX	The more I hear about the foster care and adoption systems in this country, the more horrified I become. I know there are lots of good people out there, but with all the ridiculous things that people have to go through to get the care of children, you'd think they could weed out the sickos. Which isn't to say that these sick people wouldn't have done something equally horrible to their own child, or someone else's, or a total stranger.

08-30-2006, 06:55 PM	#19 (permalink)
DEI37 Go faster! Location: Wisconsin	Their death penalty (and it should be used) should be the same as what they did to that little boy. Put 'em in an airtight room, no light, no food, no water...and let 'em suffocate and starve to death. People (IF you care to call them that) are getting more and more disgusting all the time. __________________ Generally speaking, if you were to get what you really deserve, you might be unpleasantly surprised.

08-31-2006, 05:11 AM	#20 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	Some of the responses on this thread are the reason why I am glad that the Constitution bans cruel and unusual punishment and that there are proscribed punishments built into every criminal law. If the people of Ohio allow the death penalty (which they do) and these folks are found guilty (which they probably will be given the information out there), then that's the appropriate punishment. I'll draw a distinction between what's appropriate by law and what they actually deserve, and it's an important line. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

08-31-2006, 05:53 AM	#21 (permalink)
JustJess Unencapsulated Location: Kittyville	^^ Don't mistake expressions of dismay and anger for anything that we would actually enact. It's just upsetting that there are constantly reports of cases like this, in which there was no rhyme or reason, just sick people doing sick things to those more helpless than they. That being said, no one's going to cry if they get run over and die slowly of internal bleeding, either. __________________ My heart knows me better than I know myself, so I'm gonna let it do all the talkin'.

08-31-2006, 06:31 AM	#22 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	JJ - I agree. I won't shed any tears if they develop pancreatic cancer or something equally painful. I just have a problem with people saying that the equivalent of deliberately infecting these folks with pancreatic cancer is a viable punishment. It's not and it never should be. But if they die in an accidental fire, that's fine with me too. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo