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stevie667 · 08-10-2006, 09:52 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4780815.stm

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Police probe flights terror plot

Homes and businesses across England are being searched and 21 people questioned after police say a plot to blow up planes from the UK to US was disrupted.
They say they are convinced they have the key players in custody, but a wider investigation is only just beginning.

Peter Clarke, the head of Scotland Yard's anti-terrorist branch, said the network involved was large and global.

And US Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the plot was "in some respects suggestive of al-Qaeda".

Security chiefs, who had had the group under surveillance for some time, said they were close to putting their plan - which police said would have caused "mass murder on an unimaginable scale" - into action.

Sources in the UK have confirmed that they believe an attack may have been imminent - possibly in the next few days.

"They had accumulated and assembled the capabilities that they needed and they were in the final stages of planning for execution," Mr Chertoff said.

Security experts believe they planned to detonate liquid explosives on up to nine planes.

They would have smuggled it on board hidden in drinks, electronic devices and other "common objects".

At UK airports on Thursday - with the country on its highest terror alert of "critical" - bottles of water were taken from passengers and mothers asked to taste their babies' milk before it could be taken onto flights.

Mr Clarke said the surveillance involved in disrupting the plot had been "unprecedented" and had involved police forces in the UK and internationally.

It had only become apparent in the "last two weeks" that the target of the flights was the US, said Mr Chertoff.

Sources told the BBC the "principal characters" suspected of being involved in the plot were British-born, and some have links to Pakistan.

The suspects were rounded up in raids in London, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, and Birmingham. All are being held in London.

Searches continue at several addresses and people were evacuated from some homes in High Wycombe in Thursday.

Meanwhile, chaos continues at UK airports with Heathrow the worst affected.

Thousands of flights have been cancelled and many more delayed.

Passengers who do make it onto flights, are not allowed to take any hand luggage with them.

Stephen Nelson, chief executive of airport operator BAA, said it was the first time that airports had "faced a security mandate of this scale and severity".

And Heathrow chief executive Tony Douglas said there would "inevitably" be delays at the airport on Friday and passengers should arrive prepared.

Home Secretary John Reid said the government was "confident" the ring leaders were in custody but it was not complacent.

He said had the plot been successful, it would have meant "loss of life on an unprecedented scale".

Prime Minister Tony Blair, on holiday in the Caribbean, paid tribute to the police and the security services.

US President George W Bush said the alleged plot was a "stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom

I mean FFS, if you want to blow yourself up thats fine, go do it up a mountain or on a dingy in the atlantic with a few of your other terrorists mates.

DO NOT do it just before i have to fraking fly from one of these airports and make my long ass flight even longer.

They better pray i don't get into power one day, because retroactive death penalties are the name of my game right now.

Gatorade Frost · 08-10-2006, 10:00 AM

I think the question we should all be asking is "UK Panel Asks: Why Do They Hate Airplanes?"

And I agree. It's pretty vile. My mom and sister flew home a few weeks ago from London after a trip, and I'd be tempted to join the marines if they had been blown up on a flight.

raeanna74 · 08-10-2006, 10:09 AM

I do not understand the mentality of the terrorists who want to do this. It's so illogical to me. If their cause is to get back at the U.S. for the wars we've participated in over there, well they're not succeeding too well. By trying to board planes with both Americans and I'm sure quite a few foreigners aboard, they are then threatening those foreigners. They will make no friends in other countries if they try this anymore. They are only going to succeed in encouraging other countries to hunt them down as well.

As for Scotland Yard - kudos to them for their hard work and effort put into stopping these people. Good job.

Bill O'Rights · 08-10-2006, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by stevie667

I mean FFS, if you want to blow yourself up thats fine, go do it up a mountain or on a dingy in the atlantic with a few of your other terrorists mates.

DO NOT do it just before i have to fraking fly from one of these airports and make my long ass flight even longer.

I think that the point is that they do this so that other people will notice them.

Of course, now they've got all that sought after press, and attention, without ever having to blow up anything. It's kind of a win-win scenario, if you look at it that way.

Seriously...it's nice to know that someone was on the ball, doing their job, and thwarted these asswipes.

Ustwo · 08-10-2006, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Gatorade Frost

I think the question we should all be asking is "UK Panel Asks: Why Do They Hate Airplanes?"

Ok that made my chuckle

ShaniFaye · 08-10-2006, 10:22 AM

Im really suprised how long it took for this to show up here today....I fully expected to log in at 630 this morning and see something...its easier for me to just paste what I've said elsewhere

Im afraid (and I dont me the "im afraid for my life kind of afraid)....Im terribly afraid that with all the touting that this has been thrawted we are going to be proven terribly wrong. About two weeks ago I had one of my premonitions....those of you that know about these know that I dont dream what exactly is going to happen...in fact I dont even remember the dreams, its the feeling I have when I wake up. The last two times were the bombings in london last summer and the tsunami (so as you can see its just something "catesthrophic" whether its an act of god or madmen. I have dreaded getting up every morning and turning on the radio because I was afraid of what I was going to hear.

This morning when I cut it on and all I hear was british journalists reporting from Heathrow, I was like...ok this is it....what happened.

Thankfully, so far, it IS nothing. But then my mind starts *working* Say what you will about Bin Laden....but he is not a stupid man.....911 was not thought out and planned by someone without brains. What if what has happened today is a diversion? What if this is their way of making us focus on something else, somewhere else in the world while they silently go on with their REAL plans?

That is what scares the hell out of me....that and this feeling of *dread* that wont go away. The *world* is so excited because they stopped this reported attack....I just hope they keep their guard up everwhere.

snowy · 08-10-2006, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

Thankfully, so far, it IS nothing. But then my mind starts *working* Say what you will about Bin Laden....but he is not a stupid man.....911 was not thought out and planned by someone without brains. What if what has happened today is a diversion? What if this is their way of making us focus on something else, somewhere else in the world while they silently go on with their REAL plans?

That is what scares the hell out of me....that and this feeling of *dread* that wont go away. The *world* is so excited because they stopped this reported attack....I just hope they keep their guard up everwhere.

That's what I've been thinking too...what if they're all just so busy patting themselves on a back for a job well done that they don't notice what's going on behind the curtain?

Personally, I think whatever they do--it would have to be a whole heck of a lot bigger than 9/11 to have the same impact--and that scares the shit out of me.

Willravel · 08-10-2006, 10:43 AM

I'm just hearing about this...what happened? Is there actually proof this time that there were actually plans to carry out terrorism, or is this just more innuendo? It's come to the point now where I take everything I hear with a grain of salt.

maleficent · 08-10-2006, 10:51 AM

what i heard this morning - they -- whomever THEY is- were watching the would be terrorists for a while... and when they booked the flights -thats when they moved in...

What the plan was... and it's rather genius... was to have three people each come on the plane with a specific ingredient - that in itself wouldn't attract attention.. then on board - the three people would meet up and make the explosive and blow up the plane. this would have happened on at least 9 planes (continental, american and united were the airlines targeted)... the first 3 planes would happen in hour 1- then the next three in hour 2- then the last 3 -

Ustwo · 08-10-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

That is what scares the hell out of me....that and this feeling of *dread* that wont go away. The *world* is so excited because they stopped this reported attack....I just hope they keep their guard up everwhere.

I don't think the world is excited because the attack was stopped, its excited because its a reminder that the danger is in fact real. People have short memories, there has been a lot of talk about the threat not being real, and it is just a political tool by some politicians. Some people will say this is itself just an extention of that, but for the rest of us its just a sobering reminder that this isn't just a verbal debate. I don't think anyone involved is really brealthing much of a sigh of relief and assuming all danger is past.

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Originally Posted by maleficent

what i heard this morning - they -- whomever THEY is- were watching the would be terrorists for a while... and when they booked the flights -thats when they moved in...

What the plan was... and it's rather genius... was to have three people each come on the plane with a specific ingredient - that in itself wouldn't attract attention.. then on board - the three people would meet up and make the explosive and blow up the plane. this would have happened on at least 9 planes (continental, american and united were the airlines targeted)... the first 3 planes would happen in hour 1- then the next three in hour 2- then the last 3 -

I recall reading several years ago that they wanted to try a plan like this prior to 9/11 but it was partially discovered and called off. I forget the details, but this plan isn't really new. I always wondered why they didn't pay much attention to what was in containers in carry on bags, I'm glad they now will be.

BadNick · 08-10-2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by raeanna74

I do not understand the mentality of the terrorists who want to do this.....

I'm sure there are more aspects to it than just this, especially considering politics and wars and suffering and strife in much of the world, but to me it seems explainable even just within the context of "the West" and its culture and ideas are "the devil" and it is our duty as specifically told to us by "god" that we must kill all the infidels. Then the Taliban ...or such mentality... will take over the world and make it a better place

frogza · 08-10-2006, 11:00 AM

Give them back their ingredients and put them in a concrete bunker without food or water. Then they can blow themselves up to avoid starvation. The world is down a few wackos and they get to blow up, its a win/win as far as I can see

Gatorade Frost · 08-10-2006, 11:03 AM

From what I just read their plan was to use liquid explosives that were dyed red into powerade bottles and then use the flash on a disposable camera to trigger it.

Redlemon · 08-10-2006, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

I always wondered why they didn't pay much attention to what was in containers in carry on bags, I'm glad they now will be.

And now, no f(*&ing liquids are allowed on planes. The stewardess is going to be pissed with the number of times I request water when we travel on this Saturday.

Next, we'll have to be straight-jacketed into our seats, for "security" purposes. The terrorists don't have to succeed in the explosions in order to win.

Ustwo · 08-10-2006, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Redlemon

And now, no f(*&ing liquids are allowed on planes. The stewardess is going to be pissed with the number of times I request water when we travel on this Saturday.

Next, we'll have to be straight-jacketed into our seats, for "security" purposes. The terrorists don't have to succeed in the explosions in order to win.

Yes because if you don't get to bring water on the plane, the terrorists have won.

The_Jazz · 08-10-2006, 11:58 AM

There have been several of these types of plots foiled in the past. One guy tried to bring on nitroglycerin in an eyeglass cleaner bottle and trigger it with a flashbulb. Another tried to use a peroxide solution to create some sort of explosive that would have been set off with a walkman (this was back in the day).

The tecnology isn't new, but it was going to be a larger plot, which is why it was big news. It should be interesting to see how this shakes out and who gets identified as the masterminds, etc.

maleficent · 08-10-2006, 12:45 PM

crap,maybe I will take amtrak to chicago next week...

:eyeroll:

I can't imagine that this measure will last long... what about all the vendors in the airport terminal... are they shut down?

JumpinJesus · 08-10-2006, 01:03 PM

Since everything bad about terrorists has been said and will be said forever, I'll add something diversionary.

I'm waiting for the day when I turn on CNN and hear: "Authorities have uncovered a plot by terrorists to blow up airplanes using bombs made out of clothing. The Department of Homeland Security is now banning clothing on all flights and no one will be allowed to carry-on or check in clothing of any type."

abaya · 08-10-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JumpinJesus

I'm waiting for the day when I turn on CNN and hear: "Authorities have uncovered a plot by terrorists to blow up airplanes using bombs made out of clothing. The Department of Homeland Security is now banning clothing on all flights and no one will be allowed to carry-on or check in clothing of any type."

Ahh, comic relief. I actually had the SAME thought earlier today... what if we all end up flying naked someday, with security checks consisting of cavity searches???

Gatorade Frost · 08-10-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JumpinJesus

I'm waiting for the day when I turn on CNN and hear: "Authorities have uncovered a plot by terrorists to blow up airplanes using bombs made out of clothing. The Department of Homeland Security is now banning clothing on all flights and no one will be allowed to carry-on or check in clothing of any type."

Um... Awesome?

Ustwo · 08-10-2006, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JumpinJesus

Since everything bad about terrorists has been said and will be said forever, I'll add something diversionary.

I'm waiting for the day when I turn on CNN and hear: "Authorities have uncovered a plot by terrorists to blow up airplanes using bombs made out of clothing. The Department of Homeland Security is now banning clothing on all flights and no one will be allowed to carry-on or check in clothing of any type."

Already there

maleficent · 08-10-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gatorade Frost

Um... Awesome?

some people, like me, do the world a favor by not appearing nekkid.. there are some people who just shouldn't be nekkid in public...

seriously... you wanna get on a plane with your momma and your daddy when they are all nekkid? how about iwth my parents?

trickyy · 08-10-2006, 01:26 PM

i guess i'm not all that relieved after all

http://www.xopl.com/blog/2006/08/10/crockofshit.html

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"Because the plot involved taking liquid explosives aboard planes in carry-ons, passengers at all U.S. and British airports, and those boarding U.S.-bound flights at other international airports, are banned from taking any liquids onto planes."

Sir, I'm going to have to take this bottle of water away from you since it might be a liquid explosive, and I'm going to have to mix it with all of these other bottles of possibly liquid explosive, and I'm going to have to dump them all in this trash can... together. Nevermind that the plot specifically mentions mixing chemicals and/or nitroglycerin... which explodes if handled too roughly.

Marvelous Marv · 08-10-2006, 08:27 PM

I certainly hope the alleged plotters sue the hell out of the British, US, and any other governments they can think of. After all, the wiretaps and other measures that were obviously used to detect them were a huge violation of their human rights.

And there better be an immediate order for sufficient Korans for these poor people to read while they're locked up.

Willravel · 08-10-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Marvelous Marv

I certainly hope the alleged plotters sue the hell out of the British, US, and any other governments they can think of. After all, the wiretaps and other measures that were obviously used to detect them were a huge violation of their human rights.

Do you have a link to the news article that explains how the specific wire taps that Bush bypassed the FISA court for were used to catch the alleged plotters? No? Hmmm, then that makes your post....something.....what's that called again? Oh, yes! Flame bait! Good old flame bait.

Thanks for contributing.

Seaver · 08-10-2006, 09:28 PM

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I certainly hope the alleged plotters sue the hell out of the British, US, and any other governments they can think of. After all, the wiretaps and other measures that were obviously used to detect them were a huge violation of their human rights.

Um... right.

First of all international calls are not protected by the bill of rights.

Second of all the bill of rights are not in England.

Third of all it's been released that much of the information was from Pakistan... they sure as hell dont have a bill of rights. And you have fun suing Pakistan for breaking them.

And finally I seriously doubt you'd find a judge who looks at the suit and doesn't simply toss it out.

Bodyhammer86 · 08-10-2006, 09:40 PM

No offense Seaver, but I think Marv was being sarcastic.

Ustwo · 08-10-2006, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Seaver

Um... right.

Seaver, I know some members of TFP are crazy enough to think like that, but Marv is one of the good guys, remember

maleficent · 08-11-2006, 04:35 AM

All I can say is I'm glad i'm not in the UK.. you'd have to sedate me with some pretty heavy duty drugs if you'd expect me to sit my behind in a seat on aplane with lots of people who are just bound to annoy me without a means to entertain myself...No Ipods or any other electronics?

If I honestly thought that it was keeping us 'safer' i'd be all over it supporting it - but it's not -- if someone wants to get something on board a plane... they will...

Ample · 08-11-2006, 05:22 AM

I turn on the news last night/ this morning, and what do I here from every single interview/sound bite from every government official. Sure some stuff about the plot, but I always here WE ARE AT WAR with Islamic fundamentalist. They are doing a very good job at pounding in our heads that we are supposed to be scared. Sometimes I wonder if the terrorist plan there attracts around our political calendar, cause that is the only time when we are not safe. With the elections only a few months away, I’m sure that this is the tip of the iceberg. Then we will have two years of no plots before the cycle picks up again.

The_Jazz · 08-11-2006, 05:37 AM

I'm just pissed off that I have to travel overnight next week. It would be one thing if I didn't have to stay, but all my appointments are set. Since I'm playing golf in someone's tournament, I guess I'll have to pack my dop kit in with my clubs since they won't let me take it on the plane. I'm not pissed off at the TSA (incompetent as they are), but it's a big inconvenience. I hate checking luggage anyway, so I guess that my future holds more day trips, which should be interesting when I have to go to Boston or Vegas or San Diego.

Terrorists suck.

samcol · 08-11-2006, 06:22 AM

trickyy, is that a spoof website? If it isn't, that just proves how incapable governments are of handling terrorism. Even if the terrorist threat wasn't manufactured by intelligence agencies, they wouldn't be capable of keeping people safe anyway.

I can't believe this is where we are at. Americans running around in fear of everything. How pathetic.

Ustwo · 08-11-2006, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by samcol

trickyy, is that a spoof website? If it isn't, that just proves how incapable governments are of handling terrorism. Even if the terrorist threat wasn't manufactured by intelligence agencies, they wouldn't be capable of keeping people safe anyway.

I can't believe this is where we are at. Americans running around in fear of everything. How pathetic.

Its a blog sam, relax and return to your bunker.

Menoman · 08-11-2006, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by maleficent

If I honestly thought that it was keeping us 'safer' i'd be all over it supporting it - but it's not -- if someone wants to get something on board a plane... they will...

So your opinion is they do nothing? or is it do anything they want, so long as its no inconvenience?

Seaver · 08-11-2006, 07:04 AM

Sorry Marv, sometimes hard to tell sarcasm over forums.

And to everyone saying how "scared" we're supposed to be, you are overestimating it. I support the WoT fully and I dont feel a bit of fear. IMO there's nothing they can do that a pen to the eye couldn't fix... and pens are still legal on planes.

maleficent · 08-11-2006, 07:04 AM

What are they really doing other than inconvencing people... (the entire world revolves around me- the sooner peopel realize that the better off we'll all be)

This is nothing more than an attempt at PR to show the average person -- see it's safe to fly - ok so it might be a pain it the behind but we're keeping you safe...

I say again, if a person wants to bring somethig on board a plane-- they will - and no amount of security will stop it..

Menoman · 08-11-2006, 07:17 AM

I take that as option A? They do not attempt to save peoples lives.

Ustwo · 08-11-2006, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by maleficent

I say again, if a person wants to bring somethig on board a plane-- they will - and no amount of security will stop it..

Mal I really am surprised to hear you of all people saying this because, despite what you say, you are one of the sane ones. Do you think that things would be the same if they removed airport security all together?

Jinn · 08-11-2006, 07:20 AM

Mal, your argument sounds like "if someone wants to break into my house, they'll do it. I might as well not even lock it."

Prevention isn't pointless, even if you think the probability of protection is slim -- it's more than 0%.

genuinegirly · 08-11-2006, 07:26 AM

I would not want to have to deal with Heathrow. No carry-on luggage?
THOUSANDS of flights cancelled? Dangit, I don't want to deal with that sort of hassle. Good think I'm not planning on flying internationally anytime soon.

08-10-2006, 10:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
Gatorade Frost Rookie	I think the question we should all be asking is "UK Panel Asks: Why Do They Hate Airplanes?" And I agree. It's pretty vile. My mom and sister flew home a few weeks ago from London after a trip, and I'd be tempted to join the marines if they had been blown up on a flight. __________________ I got in a fight one time with a really big guy, and he said, "I'm going to mop the floor with your face." I said, "You'll be sorry." He said, "Oh, yeah? Why?" I said, "Well, you won't be able to get into the corners very well." Emo Philips

08-10-2006, 10:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
raeanna74 I'm not a blonde! I'm knot! I'm knot! I'm knot! Location: Upper Michigan	I do not understand the mentality of the terrorists who want to do this. It's so illogical to me. If their cause is to get back at the U.S. for the wars we've participated in over there, well they're not succeeding too well. By trying to board planes with both Americans and I'm sure quite a few foreigners aboard, they are then threatening those foreigners. They will make no friends in other countries if they try this anymore. They are only going to succeed in encouraging other countries to hunt them down as well. As for Scotland Yard - kudos to them for their hard work and effort put into stopping these people. Good job. __________________ "Always learn the rules so that you can break them properly." Dalai Lama My Karma just ran over your Dogma.

08-10-2006, 10:22 AM	#6 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	Im really suprised how long it took for this to show up here today....I fully expected to log in at 630 this morning and see something...its easier for me to just paste what I've said elsewhere Im afraid (and I dont me the "im afraid for my life kind of afraid)....Im terribly afraid that with all the touting that this has been thrawted we are going to be proven terribly wrong. About two weeks ago I had one of my premonitions....those of you that know about these know that I dont dream what exactly is going to happen...in fact I dont even remember the dreams, its the feeling I have when I wake up. The last two times were the bombings in london last summer and the tsunami (so as you can see its just something "catesthrophic" whether its an act of god or madmen. I have dreaded getting up every morning and turning on the radio because I was afraid of what I was going to hear. This morning when I cut it on and all I hear was british journalists reporting from Heathrow, I was like...ok this is it....what happened. Thankfully, so far, it IS nothing. But then my mind starts working Say what you will about Bin Laden....but he is not a stupid man.....911 was not thought out and planned by someone without brains. What if what has happened today is a diversion? What if this is their way of making us focus on something else, somewhere else in the world while they silently go on with their REAL plans? That is what scares the hell out of me....that and this feeling of dread that wont go away. The world is so excited because they stopped this reported attack....I just hope they keep their guard up everwhere. __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

08-10-2006, 10:51 AM	#9 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	what i heard this morning - they -- whomever THEY is- were watching the would be terrorists for a while... and when they booked the flights -thats when they moved in... What the plan was... and it's rather genius... was to have three people each come on the plane with a specific ingredient - that in itself wouldn't attract attention.. then on board - the three people would meet up and make the explosive and blow up the plane. this would have happened on at least 9 planes (continental, american and united were the airlines targeted)... the first 3 planes would happen in hour 1- then the next three in hour 2- then the last 3 - __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

08-10-2006, 11:03 AM	#13 (permalink)
Gatorade Frost Rookie	From what I just read their plan was to use liquid explosives that were dyed red into powerade bottles and then use the flash on a disposable camera to trigger it. __________________ I got in a fight one time with a really big guy, and he said, "I'm going to mop the floor with your face." I said, "You'll be sorry." He said, "Oh, yeah? Why?" I said, "Well, you won't be able to get into the corners very well." Emo Philips

08-10-2006, 10:43 AM	#8 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I'm just hearing about this...what happened? Is there actually proof this time that there were actually plans to carry out terrorism, or is this just more innuendo? It's come to the point now where I take everything I hear with a grain of salt.

08-10-2006, 11:00 AM	#12 (permalink)
frogza Registered User Location: Right Here	Give them back their ingredients and put them in a concrete bunker without food or water. Then they can blow themselves up to avoid starvation. The world is down a few wackos and they get to blow up, its a win/win as far as I can see

08-10-2006, 11:58 AM	#16 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	There have been several of these types of plots foiled in the past. One guy tried to bring on nitroglycerin in an eyeglass cleaner bottle and trigger it with a flashbulb. Another tried to use a peroxide solution to create some sort of explosive that would have been set off with a walkman (this was back in the day). The tecnology isn't new, but it was going to be a larger plot, which is why it was big news. It should be interesting to see how this shakes out and who gets identified as the masterminds, etc. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

08-10-2006, 12:45 PM	#17 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	crap,maybe I will take amtrak to chicago next week... :eyeroll: I can't imagine that this measure will last long... what about all the vendors in the airport terminal... are they shut down? __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

08-10-2006, 01:03 PM	#18 (permalink)
JumpinJesus Junkie Location: Chicago	Since everything bad about terrorists has been said and will be said forever, I'll add something diversionary. I'm waiting for the day when I turn on CNN and hear: "Authorities have uncovered a plot by terrorists to blow up airplanes using bombs made out of clothing. The Department of Homeland Security is now banning clothing on all flights and no one will be allowed to carry-on or check in clothing of any type." __________________ "I can normally tell how intelligent a man is by how stupid he thinks I am" - Cormac McCarthy, All The Pretty Horses

08-10-2006, 08:27 PM	#24 (permalink)
Marvelous Marv Cunning Runt Location: Taking a mulligan	I certainly hope the alleged plotters sue the hell out of the British, US, and any other governments they can think of. After all, the wiretaps and other measures that were obviously used to detect them were a huge violation of their human rights. And there better be an immediate order for sufficient Korans for these poor people to read while they're locked up. __________________ "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher

08-10-2006, 09:40 PM	#27 (permalink)
Bodyhammer86 Insane Location: Mattoon, Il	No offense Seaver, but I think Marv was being sarcastic. __________________ Pantera, Shadows Fall, Fear Factory, Opeth, Porcupine Tree, Dimmu Borgir, Watch Them Die, Motorhead, Beyond the Embrace, Himsa, Black Label Society, Machine Head, In Flames, Soilwork, Dark Tranquility, Children of Bodom, Norther, Nightrage, At the Gates, God Forbid, Killswitch Engage, Lamb of God, All That Remains, Anthrax, Mudvayne, Arch Enemy, and Old Man's Child \m/

08-11-2006, 04:35 AM	#29 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	All I can say is I'm glad i'm not in the UK.. you'd have to sedate me with some pretty heavy duty drugs if you'd expect me to sit my behind in a seat on aplane with lots of people who are just bound to annoy me without a means to entertain myself...No Ipods or any other electronics? If I honestly thought that it was keeping us 'safer' i'd be all over it supporting it - but it's not -- if someone wants to get something on board a plane... they will... __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

08-11-2006, 05:22 AM	#30 (permalink)
Ample Psycho Location: In your closet	I turn on the news last night/ this morning, and what do I here from every single interview/sound bite from every government official. Sure some stuff about the plot, but I always here WE ARE AT WAR with Islamic fundamentalist. They are doing a very good job at pounding in our heads that we are supposed to be scared. Sometimes I wonder if the terrorist plan there attracts around our political calendar, cause that is the only time when we are not safe. With the elections only a few months away, I’m sure that this is the tip of the iceberg. Then we will have two years of no plots before the cycle picks up again. __________________ Her juju beads are so nice She kissed my third cousin twice Im the king of pomona

08-11-2006, 05:37 AM	#31 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	I'm just pissed off that I have to travel overnight next week. It would be one thing if I didn't have to stay, but all my appointments are set. Since I'm playing golf in someone's tournament, I guess I'll have to pack my dop kit in with my clubs since they won't let me take it on the plane. I'm not pissed off at the TSA (incompetent as they are), but it's a big inconvenience. I hate checking luggage anyway, so I guess that my future holds more day trips, which should be interesting when I have to go to Boston or Vegas or San Diego. Terrorists suck. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

08-11-2006, 06:22 AM	#32 (permalink)
samcol Junkie Location: Indiana	trickyy, is that a spoof website? If it isn't, that just proves how incapable governments are of handling terrorism. Even if the terrorist threat wasn't manufactured by intelligence agencies, they wouldn't be capable of keeping people safe anyway. I can't believe this is where we are at. Americans running around in fear of everything. How pathetic.

08-11-2006, 07:04 AM	#35 (permalink)
Seaver Junkie Location: Fort Worth, TX	Sorry Marv, sometimes hard to tell sarcasm over forums. And to everyone saying how "scared" we're supposed to be, you are overestimating it. I support the WoT fully and I dont feel a bit of fear. IMO there's nothing they can do that a pen to the eye couldn't fix... and pens are still legal on planes.

08-11-2006, 07:04 AM	#36 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	What are they really doing other than inconvencing people... (the entire world revolves around me- the sooner peopel realize that the better off we'll all be) This is nothing more than an attempt at PR to show the average person -- see it's safe to fly - ok so it might be a pain it the behind but we're keeping you safe... I say again, if a person wants to bring somethig on board a plane-- they will - and no amount of security will stop it.. __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

08-11-2006, 07:20 AM	#39 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	Mal, your argument sounds like "if someone wants to break into my house, they'll do it. I might as well not even lock it." Prevention isn't pointless, even if you think the probability of protection is slim -- it's more than 0%. __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

08-11-2006, 07:26 AM	#40 (permalink)
genuinegirly Eat your vegetables Super Moderator Location: Arabidopsis-ville	I would not want to have to deal with Heathrow. No carry-on luggage? THOUSANDS of flights cancelled? Dangit, I don't want to deal with that sort of hassle. Good think I'm not planning on flying internationally anytime soon. __________________ "Sometimes I have to remember that things are brought to me for a reason, either for my own lessons or for the benefit of others." Cynthetiq "violence is no more or less real than non-violence." roachboy