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maleficent · 08-11-2006, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

Mal I really am surprised to hear you of all people saying this because, despite what you say, you are one of the sane ones. Do you think that things would be the same if they removed airport security all together?

I have an extremely low opinion of airline security... I've had entirely too many incidents where I've gotten on board a flight with something that I never should have been allowed to get on board with (blow torch w/ fuel, 6 inch chef's knife, fairly large swiss army knife that was in the hand of the security agent as she hand searched my bag two weeks after 9/11) and things that have been confiscated... Tweezers (by the same guard who didn't see the swiss army knife in her hand) a plastic knife that wouldn't cut butter, a key.

Would we be better off without airport security? No probably not. But is confiscating water bottles going to help anything? No.

There's got to be a better way than what's being done... Do I have a solution? No, of course not, it's easier just to sit on an internet forum and think I know everything...

If someone has the intent of doing evil... they will do it.

lindalove · 08-11-2006, 08:57 AM

I do wonder if the time will come when everybody is strip searched and have all their body cavities checked. I mentioned this to my parents yesterday who are supposed to be flying in December. Needless to say, they were not happy with me.

Other countries deal with terror attacks all the time. While Isreal is having it's own problems right now, they have some of the best airline security because they don't put up with anybodies nonsense that wants to get on a plane. You either play nice or don't get on. It's pretty simple, but yet the US dilly-dallies with things like banning plastic silverware and pit stick in hopes to prevent something bad from happening. It kinda makes a person wonder....

maleficent · 08-11-2006, 09:08 AM

Israel is also a country the size of NJ... with an airport that doesn't have near the amount of flights that most of the major airports in the US does. If you've ever flown into israel there's an armed guard every 20 feet or so- with some pretty heavy weaponry...

Going thru security there, you are not asked, you are told to remove sunglasses and they will question you on what you did while you were there and where you were going... they pay attention to you and your reactions for the answers.

ngdawg · 08-11-2006, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JumpinJesus

Since everything bad about terrorists has been said and will be said forever, I'll add something diversionary.

I'm waiting for the day when I turn on CNN and hear: "Authorities have uncovered a plot by terrorists to blow up airplanes using bombs made out of clothing. The Department of Homeland Security is now banning clothing on all flights and no one will be allowed to carry-on or check in clothing of any type."

In May, 03, several people from Texas chartered a plane and had a totally nude flight.

Now back on topic.
In just over two weeks, I'll be flying across country. Everyone bitches and moans about the 'inconveniences' but, if you(everyone that flies) just change a few small things (and of course, those that have an overload of self-importance won't), things will be very smooth.
First off, NO carry on. Do you really need to bring that bag of make-up and spare undies? No. You hold the rest of us up who just want to sit down.
Second, put the nice shoes and sneakers in your bag and wear some slip-ons or flipflops. You know they're going to ask you to remove your shoes-again, you're holding us up.
Third-Walmart. Every town, every city, every 1-horse village has'em. If you think it's an inconvenience to have your shampoo tossed, don't bring it, buy it.
Fourth: Get there early. I have this flight to catch too. You're not more important, just pushier. Thinking you have such and such time and plan on being arrogant when you arrive holds the rest of us up.
Are the precautions a bit over the top? Hell, I don't think they're enough. What's to stop that 'relative' seeing that guy off from blowing up the airport itself? Remember when you used to be able to go to the gate with the departing person and watch them leave? I really think at some point, only people with boarding passes will be allowed through the doors. What's ironic is, the larger airports are also malls. And yes, Mal, the vendors and kiosks removed all toiletry items.

Rekna · 08-11-2006, 10:53 AM

What about people who have to fly with laptops for work/school/ect. I will never check my laptop or any other thing with great value. I've had my luggage lost, i've had things smashed in my luggage. Watch the plane as they are loading luggage and count how many bags fall off the belt onto the ground.

maleficent · 08-11-2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rekna

What about people who have to fly with laptops for work/school/ect. I will never check my laptop or any other thing with great value. I've had my luggage lost, i've had things smashed in my luggage. Watch the plane as they are loading luggage and count how many bags fall off the belt onto the ground.

Right now you can still take your laptop with you... If they decide you can't -- then the airlines need to change their policy on what is and isn't covered udner their baggage insurance plan. Right now electronics and especially laptops are not covered...

New airline restrictions may be here to stay

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(CNN) -- Air travelers might have to get used to stuffing lipstick and lotion into their luggage rather than carry it with them in the wake of a plot to destroy airliners with liquid-based explosives, security experts say.

The Transportation Security Administration issued new rules banning nearly all liquids, including beverages, lotions and hair gels, from being taken on planes after British authorities arrested at least 24 suspects in the plot.

British airlines went even further, banning all carry-on luggage except for keys, wallets, glasses and other essentials. Medications and baby formula are being allowed. (Full story)

Jamie Bowden, a former terminal manager at London's Heathrow Airport, said the new rules may be here to stay.

"I think certainly here in the U.K. and certainly in the States as well, people are now getting used to kind of a new way of travel," Bowden told CNN on Friday. "So that I think, although the airlines certainly don't want these kinds of restrictions, if they believe through government intelligence that it's much safer to fly like this, that may be a new way that people are going to have to get used to flying."

The TSA hasn't indicated how long the restrictions would remain in place but said on its Web site that "these measures will be constantly evaluated and updated as circumstances warrant."

U.S. Rep. Peter Hoekstra, R-Michigan, said the plot "eliminates the days of carry-on baggage," according to The Associated Press.

Nancy McKinley of the International Airline Passengers Association said the new rules are going to be a "huge adjustment," especially for business travelers.

"The challenge is going to be with the airlines on all the luggage [that] is checked and can it actually get to the destination in a reasonable amount of time once you get there -- how long do you have to wait for it and all of that," she said. (Watch how airports are getting bags through screening and to planes -- 1:47)

McKinley said some airports are urging people to arrive three hours before their flights.

"That's going to be difficult for business travelers, too. That takes a big hunk out of your day," she said.

A senior congressional source said authorities believe the plotters planned to mix a British sports drink with a gel-like substance to make an explosive that they possibly could trigger with an MP3 player or cell phone.

The components of the bomb would appear harmless until they were combined aboard the planes. (Full story)

The TSA has not banned U.S. passengers from carrying laptops, cell phones, MP3 players or BlackBerrys onto planes.

McKinley said it would "just be a nightmare" for business travelers if they did.

"If they try to take laptops and cell phones and put them into checked baggage, that creates a whole new problem," she said. "Because in the past, those type of things (were) not covered. If your luggage is lost and you have something like that in your luggage, it's not covered."

McKinley said she was confident that the restrictions eventually would be eased, once screening technology catches up with the threat.

"I mean there are studies going on right now to get more equipment, more updated equipment that can be changed out so that it doesn't become archaic, and I think that's where the focus has got to go," she said.

After the September 11, 2001, attacks, authorities banned passengers from carrying sharp objects such as knives, scissors and nail clippers. Passengers also were required to have their shoes examined after Briton Richard Reid tried to blow up a plane with a bomb hidden in his shoe.

In December, the TSA decided to allow passengers to carry scissors and small tools on board. (Full story)

Rafi Ron, former head of security at Tel Aviv, Israel's Ben Gurion Airport, said screeners should focus more on finding suspicious people than on hunting for potential terrorist tools.

"It is extremely difficult for people to disguise the fact they are under tremendous amount of stress, that they are going to kill themselves and a lot of people around them in a short amount of time, and all the other factors that effect their behavior," Ron said.

the quote from the head of security is exactly right... it's not the things that need to be stopped -it's the people...

lindalove · 08-11-2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by maleficent

Israel is also a country the size of NJ... with an airport that doesn't have near the amount of flights that most of the major airports in the US does. If you've ever flown into israel there's an armed guard every 20 feet or so- with some pretty heavy weaponry...

Going thru security there, you are not asked, you are told to remove sunglasses and they will question you on what you did while you were there and where you were going... they pay attention to you and your reactions for the answers.

Maybe I'm not seeing the "middle ground" in terms of airline security, but I think if that's what it take here in the states, why not? Telling people they cannot bring any form of a liquid on a plane in the name of security is ridiculous. Get a person that is radical enough, they'll stick things up their ass and blow themselves up to just make a point.

What happens to people that are diabetic and need their insulin while their are on a flight? Go into a diabetic comma because the goverment cannot get it's head out of it's own ass over how to get a handle on airport security?

It has already been proven one too many times IMO of just how many loop holes are in the system. It doesn't end with the airlines, as it has been shown on buses and trains as well. All loop holes are meant to be found, it's just a matter of who is going to take the time to find them and how to manipulate the situation.

Been on a bus lately? There is all this chatter about how tough security is, but they never actually check anybodies luggage. Yeah, they wave their little magic wand around people, but luggage? Nope.

People want safety, but they don't want their balls busted over it either. If people really want to know that the person sitting next to them on a flight is really safe to be near, then some stones are going to have to be broken.

maleficent · 08-11-2006, 11:24 AM

diabetics can take their medication on the plane.. they just need to make sure that theprescription matches that of their identification...

it's common knowledge that Israel has very good securityin their airports -- everytime a threat level gets raised - someone on an internet forum brings that up... and the big difference is number of people that go thru the airport on an ordinary day... israel is tiny compared to the new york airports (there are 3 big ones), chicago (2 there), orother cities...

I stand by my statement that airline security and these measures are purely feel good for the average flying public -to make them feel safer... but i don't see it doing any good..

the quote from the former director of security in the above article has the solution... but it would take years to get to that solution.. Guards would have to be trained to not find something tangible but go for an intangible - like a person's reaction...

Ustwo · 08-11-2006, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by maleficent

the quote from the former director of security in the above article has the solution... but it would take years to get to that solution.. Guards would have to be trained to not find something tangible but go for an intangible - like a person's reaction...

And just think of the whines from some circles.

Perhaps the current system is half-assed. I'm sure if I really wanted to work on it, I could figure out a way to smuggle something past security, but even half asses security is better than nothing. There is nothing I hate worse than standing in line, except maybe standing in line when I am trying to get somewhere else, such as at an airport, but there is one irony about this.

If carry on bags are basically eliminated, security will go far faster than it did prior to this latest attempt at mass murder. Nothing to search, no bags to go through, no lap tops to turn on. They sure as hell better get more advanced inflight entertainment and I cringe at the thought of my next multi hour flight, but from a security stand point it will be a breeze.

ngdawg · 08-11-2006, 12:07 PM

Anyone ever get that mass-floating email entitled 'profiling'? It goes like this:

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by?
a. Superman?
b. Jay Leno?
c. Harry Potter?
d. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40?

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by?
a. Olga Corbett?
b. Sitting Bull?
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger?
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 ?

3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:?
a. Lost Norwegians?
b. Elvis?
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women?
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40?

4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:?
a. John Dillinger?
b. The King of Sweden?
c. The Boy Scouts?
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40?

5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:?
a. A pizza delivery boy?
b. Pee Wee Herman?
c. Geraldo Rivera?
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40?

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old
American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:?
a. The Smurfs?
b. Davey Jones?
c. The Little Mermaid?
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40?

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver
trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:?
a. Captain Kidd?
b. Charles Lindberg?
c. Mother Teresa?
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40?

8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:?
a. Scooby Doo?
b. The Tooth Fairy and The Sundance Kid?
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40?

9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:?
a. Richard Simmons?
b. Grandma Moses?
c. Michael Jordan?
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40?

10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:?
a. Mr. Rogers?
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems?
c. The World Wrestling Federation?
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40?

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles
to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:?
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd?
b. The Supreme Court of Florida?
c. Mr. Bean?
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40?

12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:?
a. Enron?
b. The Lutheran Church?
c. The NFL?
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40?

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:?
a. Bonnie and Clyde?
b. Captain Kangaroo?
c. Billy Graham?
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40?

Nope, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?

So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest they be guilty of profiling.

As middle-america travelers, we feel put out and for the most part, justifiably so. As someone who is not quite ready to experience the thrill of blowing up in midair, I'd rather just go through some inconvenience. Who's to say that some 'Muslim male extremist mostly between the ages of 17 and 40' won't next start tampering with innocents' baggage? And until technology is progressed, we have to do what we have to do.

Ustwo · 08-11-2006, 12:31 PM

I was traveling with a 28 year old Jordanian male of Palistinian origin but they searched the cute blonde behind us.
He thought it was pretty funny in a stupid sort of way, mostly because he doesn't want to get blown up either and doesn't mind if they search him as long as they search everyone else like him too. That doesn't mean you don't look for others who might be involved, hell maybe the blonde chick was his GF for all TSA would know, but you shouldn't ignore the obvious to avoid admiting that race/religion has a lot to do with the current situation.

maleficent · 08-11-2006, 12:37 PM

What they do in Israel isn't even profiling... it's treating everyone the same - and asking questions and looking at the answer - they m ade me take off my sunglasses (prescription) because (as I read up on later) f you are going to tell an untruth, your pupils change size.. the also look for people acting nervous.. It's not about nationality...

Heck - the next plane that comes falling out the sky could be brought down by some fundamentalist christian group looking to start a holy war...

(Oklahoma city wasn't blown up by Muslims...

The_Jazz · 08-11-2006, 01:23 PM

Things I took on a plane last week that could potentially be used as weapons and are still allowed on board to the best of my knowledge:

A pen - see "Casino"
Razor blades
Divot repair tool (if I sharpened the prongs, they could kill)

None of these are difficult for me to see as weapons, and I've always found it ironic that the TSA would not allow cuticle scissors but would allow razor blades.

Some of you know that I own and coach at a fencing salle. We sent a bunch of our youth fencers to New York in the spring for a regional tournament. Most of them came back on the same flight, but one family stayed a little later. On the way back, the TSA refused to let them carry on their epees because they were "weapons". Remember that there aren't sharp or pointy edges on these things as a rule, but the TSA made the family check the blades, where they were lost for 4 days and finally showed up with 3 of the 5 snapped and all unworkable. It's even more ironic when I know for a fact that the current national champion in the shot put carries his shot on every flight, domestic and international (he mentioned it in an interview with "Track and Field News"). For those of you unfamilar with the shot put, it's a 14 lb iron ball that was originally thrown to crush the armor of your enemy. And this guy can throw one 75 feet or so.

As far as the racial profiling thing goes, I really don't have that big of a problem with it so long as they're not ignoring Timothy McVeigh's successor (is that you, dksuddeth?

). Let's remember that hijacking in this country was pioneered by the Cubans and the far radical left.

lindalove · 08-12-2006, 10:00 AM

I found this pretty comprehensive list as to what the new airline rules are for carryons. It covers both US and British regulations, and really helped me clarify what I can/can't carry on if these are still in effect the next time I fly.

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WASHINGTON - The government's ban on liquids and gels in airliner passenger cabins is confusing travelers. Further complicating matters is a carry-on ban on some trans-Atlantic flights.

The restrictions are part of tighter airline security ordered by U.S. and British governments in the wake of a foiled terror plot involving liquid explosives.

The new policies aren't always clear or consistent.

For example, carry-on baggage — including most purses and laptop computers — is banned on all flights from Britain and on some flights from the U.S. to Britain. British Airways bans carry-on baggage from the U.S. to the U.K., but U.S. airlines do not.

British authorities require passengers to taste baby formula or milk at checkpoints, but U.S. officials only want to look at it.

It is unclear whether some items, such as liquid eyeliner, are considered to be a liquid or gel. The Transportation Security Administration advises travelers to check such items.

"Leave the Chanel and the high-priced stuff in checked baggage," said British Airways spokesman John Lampl.

Laptops, iPods and cell phones are banned from the passenger cabin on all flights to the U.S. from Britain and on British Airways flights from the U.S. to the U.K. Travelers can carry a crossword puzzle that fits into a pocket, plus a pencil or pen. But newspapers will not be allowed, Lampl said.

To help security officials move people through security as quickly as possible,
TSA chief Kip Hawley offers some simple advice:

"Declutter your bag."

Since announcing what's allowed in passenger cabins, the TSA has clarified some of its policies.

Liquids or gels not allowed in passenger cabins:

_Beverages

_Shampoo

_Suntan lotion

_Creams

_Toothpaste

_Hair gel

The TSA permits:

_Baby formula, which must be presented for inspection at the checkpoint

_Prescription medicines that match the passenger's name

_Essential nonprescription medicines, such as insulin

_Electronic items such as laptops, CD players and iPods; British Airways flights to Britain do not allow them.

British Airways PLC, the largest carrier between Britain and the United States, offers these guidelines for carry-on items.

Allowed in the cabins:

_Pocket-size wallets and pocket-size purses, such as money, credit cards and identity cards

_Travel documents essential for the journey such as passports and tickets

_Prescription medicines and medical items sufficient and essential for the flight (for example, a diabetic kit), except in liquid form unless verified as authentic

_Spectacles and sunglasses, without cases

_Contact lens holders, without bottles of solution

_Female sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight, if unboxed, including tampons, pads, towels and wipes

_Unboxed tissues and handkerchiefs

_Keys, but no electrical key fobs.

For those carrying an infant on a British Airways flight, the following are allowed:

_Baby food and milk, but the contents of each bottle must be tasted by the accompanying passenger

_Sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight, such as diapers, wipes, creams and diaper disposal bags.

Not allowed:

_Handbags

_Cosmetics, including lipstick

_All electronic items

_Newspapers (British Airways has them on board for passengers)

stevie667 · 08-13-2006, 11:49 AM

Can i take a damned book is what i want to know.

kutulu · 08-14-2006, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ngdawg

Anyone ever get that mass-floating email entitled 'profiling'? It goes like this:

[I]1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by?
a. Superman?
b. Jay Leno?
c. Harry Potter?
d. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40?

Actually, Sirhan Sirhan was a Christian arab.

I love forwarded emails filled with 'facts' This one was fairly accurate but a LOT of them have disputed information or flat out lies.

abaya · 08-14-2006, 11:41 AM

How do you profile for Muslims, anyway? Ask to see their prayer rug??

An Arab, okay, that's something identifiable (not saying it's fair, at all... you should see the shit that my Lebanese boyfriend has to go through anytime he steps on an international flight.. and me included, by association!). But even this latest plan was not done by Arabs... it was by British people of Pakistani background. I guess you could start profiling for brown people in general... until yeah, Timothy McVeigh's successor gets on board.

Working in Philly this summer, I can tell you that I saw a TON of Muslims who were not Arabs. No one would know them from John Doe when getting on a plane. I also know quite a few Arabs who are not Muslim. So yeah, not that it needs to be said around here (or does it??), but there is just no way to "profile" for anyone fairly, unless you "profile" everyone equally. For that reason, I don't care how long I have to stand in line... as long as it's fair treatment.

And I quote this for truth:

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Originally Posted by lindalove

Get a person that is radical enough, they'll stick things up their ass and blow themselves up to just make a point.

rmarshall · 08-14-2006, 01:23 PM

Are we gonna get fed on airplanes again? We just got used to packing a soft-sided cooler with drinks, sandwiches, snacks, etc. We learned to wear our sneakers instead of shoes with steel shanks. We learned to leave our fingernail scissors in the checked baggage as well as our cigarette lighters.

But if we're not allowed to bring food, we're gonna get cranky!

The_Jazz · 08-14-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rmarshall

Are we gonna get fed on airplanes again? We just got used to packing a soft-sided cooler with drinks, sandwiches, snacks, etc. We learned to wear our sneakers instead of shoes with steel shanks. We learned to leave our fingernail scissors in the checked baggage as well as our cigarette lighters.

But if we're not allowed to bring food, we're gonna get cranky!

Oh, you'll get fed alright, but it will cost you. I'm making the call now - the airlines will get rid of complimentary beverages within the next 90 days. You will have to buy everything at inflated prices. The same goes for food. You heard it here first!

stevie667 · 08-14-2006, 03:32 PM

Half the flights i take already do that.

08-11-2006, 09:08 AM	#43 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	Israel is also a country the size of NJ... with an airport that doesn't have near the amount of flights that most of the major airports in the US does. If you've ever flown into israel there's an armed guard every 20 feet or so- with some pretty heavy weaponry... Going thru security there, you are not asked, you are told to remove sunglasses and they will question you on what you did while you were there and where you were going... they pay attention to you and your reactions for the answers. __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

08-11-2006, 11:24 AM	#48 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	diabetics can take their medication on the plane.. they just need to make sure that theprescription matches that of their identification... it's common knowledge that Israel has very good securityin their airports -- everytime a threat level gets raised - someone on an internet forum brings that up... and the big difference is number of people that go thru the airport on an ordinary day... israel is tiny compared to the new york airports (there are 3 big ones), chicago (2 there), orother cities... I stand by my statement that airline security and these measures are purely feel good for the average flying public -to make them feel safer... but i don't see it doing any good.. the quote from the former director of security in the above article has the solution... but it would take years to get to that solution.. Guards would have to be trained to not find something tangible but go for an intangible - like a person's reaction... __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

08-11-2006, 12:07 PM	#50 (permalink)
ngdawg peekaboo Location: on the back, bitch	Anyone ever get that mass-floating email entitled 'profiling'? It goes like this: 1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by? a. Superman? b. Jay Leno? c. Harry Potter? d. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40? 2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by? a. Olga Corbett? b. Sitting Bull? c. Arnold Schwarzenegger? d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 ? 3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:? a. Lost Norwegians? b. Elvis? c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women? d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40? 4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:? a. John Dillinger? b. The King of Sweden? c. The Boy Scouts? d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40? 5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:? a. A pizza delivery boy? b. Pee Wee Herman? c. Geraldo Rivera? d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40? 6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:? a. The Smurfs? b. Davey Jones? c. The Little Mermaid? d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40? 7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:? a. Captain Kidd? b. Charles Lindberg? c. Mother Teresa? d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40? 8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:? a. Scooby Doo? b. The Tooth Fairy and The Sundance Kid? d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40? 9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:? a. Richard Simmons? b. Grandma Moses? c. Michael Jordan? d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40? 10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:? a. Mr. Rogers? b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems? c. The World Wrestling Federation? d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40? 11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:? a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd? b. The Supreme Court of Florida? c. Mr. Bean? d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40? 12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:? a. Enron? b. The Lutheran Church? c. The NFL? d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40? 13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:? a. Bonnie and Clyde? b. Captain Kangaroo? c. Billy Graham? d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40? Nope, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you? So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest they be guilty of profiling. As middle-america travelers, we feel put out and for the most part, justifiably so. As someone who is not quite ready to experience the thrill of blowing up in midair, I'd rather just go through some inconvenience. Who's to say that some 'Muslim male extremist mostly between the ages of 17 and 40' won't next start tampering with innocents' baggage? And until technology is progressed, we have to do what we have to do. __________________ Don't blame me. I didn't vote for either of'em.

08-11-2006, 12:31 PM	#51 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	I was traveling with a 28 year old Jordanian male of Palistinian origin but they searched the cute blonde behind us. He thought it was pretty funny in a stupid sort of way, mostly because he doesn't want to get blown up either and doesn't mind if they search him as long as they search everyone else like him too. That doesn't mean you don't look for others who might be involved, hell maybe the blonde chick was his GF for all TSA would know, but you shouldn't ignore the obvious to avoid admiting that race/religion has a lot to do with the current situation. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

08-11-2006, 12:37 PM	#52 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	What they do in Israel isn't even profiling... it's treating everyone the same - and asking questions and looking at the answer - they m ade me take off my sunglasses (prescription) because (as I read up on later) f you are going to tell an untruth, your pupils change size.. the also look for people acting nervous.. It's not about nationality... Heck - the next plane that comes falling out the sky could be brought down by some fundamentalist christian group looking to start a holy war... (Oklahoma city wasn't blown up by Muslims... __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

08-11-2006, 08:57 AM	#42 (permalink)
lindalove Registered User	I do wonder if the time will come when everybody is strip searched and have all their body cavities checked. I mentioned this to my parents yesterday who are supposed to be flying in December. Needless to say, they were not happy with me. Other countries deal with terror attacks all the time. While Isreal is having it's own problems right now, they have some of the best airline security because they don't put up with anybodies nonsense that wants to get on a plane. You either play nice or don't get on. It's pretty simple, but yet the US dilly-dallies with things like banning plastic silverware and pit stick in hopes to prevent something bad from happening. It kinda makes a person wonder....

08-11-2006, 10:53 AM	#45 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	What about people who have to fly with laptops for work/school/ect. I will never check my laptop or any other thing with great value. I've had my luggage lost, i've had things smashed in my luggage. Watch the plane as they are loading luggage and count how many bags fall off the belt onto the ground.

08-11-2006, 01:23 PM	#53 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	Things I took on a plane last week that could potentially be used as weapons and are still allowed on board to the best of my knowledge: A pen - see "Casino" Razor blades Divot repair tool (if I sharpened the prongs, they could kill) None of these are difficult for me to see as weapons, and I've always found it ironic that the TSA would not allow cuticle scissors but would allow razor blades. Some of you know that I own and coach at a fencing salle. We sent a bunch of our youth fencers to New York in the spring for a regional tournament. Most of them came back on the same flight, but one family stayed a little later. On the way back, the TSA refused to let them carry on their epees because they were "weapons". Remember that there aren't sharp or pointy edges on these things as a rule, but the TSA made the family check the blades, where they were lost for 4 days and finally showed up with 3 of the 5 snapped and all unworkable. It's even more ironic when I know for a fact that the current national champion in the shot put carries his shot on every flight, domestic and international (he mentioned it in an interview with "Track and Field News"). For those of you unfamilar with the shot put, it's a 14 lb iron ball that was originally thrown to crush the armor of your enemy. And this guy can throw one 75 feet or so. As far as the racial profiling thing goes, I really don't have that big of a problem with it so long as they're not ignoring Timothy McVeigh's successor (is that you, dksuddeth? ). Let's remember that hijacking in this country was pioneered by the Cubans and the far radical left. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

08-13-2006, 11:49 AM	#55 (permalink)
stevie667 Too Awesome for Aardvarks Location: Angloland	Can i take a damned book is what i want to know. __________________ Office hours have changed. Please call during office hours for more information.

08-14-2006, 01:23 PM	#58 (permalink)
rmarshall Addict Location: Kingston,Ontario	Are we gonna get fed on airplanes again? We just got used to packing a soft-sided cooler with drinks, sandwiches, snacks, etc. We learned to wear our sneakers instead of shoes with steel shanks. We learned to leave our fingernail scissors in the checked baggage as well as our cigarette lighters. But if we're not allowed to bring food, we're gonna get cranky! __________________ "Do not resent growing old. Many are denied the privilege" Irish proverb

08-14-2006, 03:32 PM	#60 (permalink)
stevie667 Too Awesome for Aardvarks Location: Angloland	Half the flights i take already do that. __________________ Office hours have changed. Please call during office hours for more information.