lindalove

Boohoo. She's sorry she got caught.

flat5

The court needed to set an example.

BigBen

Jesus.

I know cases where people fucking DIED and the scumbag didn't get 9 years.

I AM NOT SAYING THE SENTENCE IS TOO HARSH... I just think that I would like to have this judge in my jurisdiction instead of the fucking pansies loafing about now.

Just goes to show you, don't fuck around with big business. They stick together in times like these. Every restaurant owner is thinking "What if she did that to me instead of Wendy's".

I have to send out another commendation to the investigative team that looked for the food service industry worker who lost the finger. When none was found, they expanded their case and looked for good ol' fashioned "Missing finger". Imagine the search results you would get if you did a national healthcare database query. Shit.

BTW, I hear they serve chili twice a week at the correctional centre. Ooooh the irony.

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Cynthetiq

justice is served.

next!

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kutulu

9 years is too long. How long to most rapists get? Aren't there homicide cases that get this much time? If she ripped off you or me she'd likely get less than 9 months, hell maybe even 9 days. It's all because of the media that the case got.

Sultana

A *moment*?! This was planned for more than a *moment*. It's not like a Brinks truck dumped it's load of $ in front of her one day, this took planning and forethought.

And the guy who lost his finger bit turned it over to settle a $50 bet? WTF?

And lastly, yeah, confessed murderers don't get this kind of time. They should...

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maleficent

the case got media attention because she went on all the morning news shows telling her tale of woe -- she brought it on herself...

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In my opinion rapists and murders don't get enough time.

In other words, most of the time justice is not served.

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kutulu

So what. The fact remains that it was just a case of fraud. The punishment does NOT fit the crime.

Cynthetiq

that's your opinion, I'm of the opinion that fraud should carry stiffer penalties as I do think that rapists and murders not be let off as easily as they do.

what do you feel would have been fitting? 120 days community service? 5 years probation?

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maximusveritas

I agree that the sentence was disproportionally high. It's fine if you want stiffer penalties, but they should at least be consistent across the board. There is going to be some variability due to having so many different judges, but I think this was more of a case of the judge acting out for the media to show he's tough.

Coppertop

The sentence was fine in my eyes. The woman attempted to defraud Wendy's and got caught. Her husband got even more (with other charges added) - 12 years.

dksuddeth

too bad she didn't help her husband steal 25 million...she could have brokered a deal that would have had her out in a year so she could take care of her kids while her husband served his sentence.

//still angered over the enron/andy fastow crap.

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yeah, this woman has my ire until I start thinking about Enron folks running around free like naked babies, not yet smart enough to understand shame.

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kutulu

Exactly. She doesn't have billions in the bank so we'll make her rot in prison. Just another example of the justice system letting people off if they have enough money.

At the most, she should serve two years.

highthief

Hell, no - she cost Wendy's serious coin, as much as if she walked into a vault and took the cash.

Just because sometimes we perceive that a murderer didn't get a long enough sentence doesn't mean we should be shortening sentences for other criminals.

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Gatorade Frost

I agree that this sentence is pretty good. She hurt Wendy's pretty bad with her stunt, not small impact but one that was noticeable to the company.

I don't see a reason to lesson someone's sentence based on the failings of the court system in another regard. Wishing the Enron folks and this lady would spend time in jail aren't mutually exclusive from each other.

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Vincentt

Wendy's million dollar lawyers.

9 years is an insanely long time.. if she had tried to get one of us.. she wouldn't have gotten this long...

Justice is served... if you have enough money to see it through?

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Slippery Slope

The sentence was perfect. There would be fewer
offences of this nature if this type of sentence
were more common. They should give the same
sort of sentence to "small time" burglars, muggers,
car thieves and the like. Once it becomes common
knowledge that you WILL go down for a VERY
long time if you commit these crimes...the over-crowded
prisons problem would soon diminish.

Tachion

From my understanding prison does not act as a deterrent because most people do not expect to be caught. They knew they would be in trouble if they were caught but it seemed like the perfect plan to them. They didn’t think of the reward that Wendy offered.

Yes they need to be punished but what we really want is to have them become constructive members of society.

I am afraid that after all those years in prison they will come out more likely to commit crime than less. Who would hire them?

If the purpose of the sentence is to make my life safer, I think it failed.

Sentence them to 9 years of community service. Everyone would win.

Charlatan

OR you would have a considerable percentage of the population behind bars.

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kutulu

Aren't we already there?

Marvelous Marv

I was watching a show just yesterday on which a 40-year-old drug addict was describing her life. When asked how she paid for the drugs, she said, "Oh, I was on welfare. And sometimes I smuggled arms, even with my kids in the car."

They asked what was the longest she'd ever NOT taken drugs, and she said, "Two weeks when I was in Mexico." She was afraid to take drugs there, due to the appalling prison conditions.

Personally, I question the research that says jail time isn't a deterrent. Admittedly, people break laws all the time when they don't think they'll get caught, but some penalties are so harsh that it keeps people from taking a chance.

A relative of mine got a DUI, and his community service was to park cars at a golf tournament. "Community service" is a very nebulous term.

Also, some people are so dishonest that they will continue to scam until they no longer have the means to do so. All you can do is lock them up.

So while I see your point, I disagree with it in this instance, and some others.

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analog

Had she made it, she'd have gotten how many millions of dollars? That money would have been as good as stolen.

9 years for trying to steal millions of dollars? No problem.

I think the term seems "harsh" or "long" because we don't lock up our worst offenders long enough. If we imposed properly lengthy sentences to our murderers and rapists/molesters, this wouldn't seem so high by comparison.

Xazy

Got to agree with the others, justice. In response to other thoughs I think that we should give more harsher punishment to other crimes.

My real view, would be even totally different, I say put in canning and smack people around for the crimes... I am sure that would cut down on prison costs,etc.. Heck I am pro death penalty. Have the guilty person pay $2 or his family pay it, put a bullet in the gun, bam dead. Yes, sure barbaric, but so are the crimes that would deserve this.

BigBen

Excellent point, Analog. I hadn't thought of it like that.

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Coppertop

Don't forget this was not the first time she defrauded a business, only the first time she was caught.

lindalove

Like that's a good excuse for giving them a 9 year sentence compared to a rapist who got 60 days.

Slippery Slope

I have no problem with that. And I don't care how
cramped it gets for them. Nah, after three strikes
give all the thieves and muggers ten years.

The reason there are so many re-offenders is that these
scumbags don't care if they get caught because they know
they're only gonna get such light sentances. (at least that's
the case here in the UK). And first time offenders aren't worried
about getting caught as they see lots of their friends being released
after only a few weeks. They're all laughing at the ridiculous system.

blahblah454

I feel that criminals of all kind should have MUCH stiffer penalties, it seems these days that everyone gets away with only a slap on the wrist. I am glad she got 9 years and I hope she has to serve every single day of it. I don't care if she stole money from a multi-million dollar corperation, she was still doing something that was wrong and should be punished for it.
I have no respect for criminals at all, I think freedom and rights are something that should be earned and not handed over freely. You should be given a couple chances and when you blow them they are gone, the full force of the law should come down on you and you should loose your rights and freedom (a.k.a. REAL community service, make them clean up the trash on highways all day and such.)

blahblah454

And to all you people bringing up the rapists... if I was in charge I would cut the offenders penis off.

Tachion

Excuse my ignorance here but when I think of countries that tried the jail/execute you for 'example' approach I can only think of places the US considers lacking freedom.

Now the US already has one of the highest ratio of imates to population.

So I am wrong but are you trying to emulate Russia, China ... etc.

What country has had success with this eye-for-an-eye approach?

This is an age old question - surely there are examples of whether it works or not and what the true costs are to the society.

I can see where it failed - where has it worked?

Prince

It's not just Wendy's, assholes like these are wasting tax bucks via occupying the courts' time, on bullshit civil suits. Bringing charges against someone for the most ridiculous things is far too easy in this country.

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Cynthetiq

Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, especially Singapore since they have a strong economy and high literacy and graduation rates.

any place will be considered by any others as "lacking freedom" when you compare what you can and cannot do.

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dksuddeth

Does anyone else find this particular bit of info beyond stupidly ironic?

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analog

What someone else got for a totally different offense has no direct bearing on what these people should get.

What it DOES mean, however, is that we're grossly under-punishing our sex offenders, NOT over-punishing the scam artists.

Tachion

Singapore feels like your in prison when you are walking around.

I remember a sign saving that they will serve men with long hair last.
Blatant prejudice, but 'officially' sanctioned.

I saw very little 'free' press and any thinking outside the official 'lines' was frowned upon.

I believe Singapore is a good example of what happens when punishment becomes extreme because it becomes the method of control by the government.

Like all prisons -they treat you well if you follow the rules but a society has to allow rules to be broken as it will never grow without it.

Tricky balance but Singapore has suppressed the individual unique spirit of the population in an effort to control a few.

FatFreeGoodness

"What country has had success with this eye-for-an-eye approach?"

Serious jail time for serious crime is not necessarily based on an eye for an eye mentality. When you see people who have committed the same sort of serious crime repeatedly (as in this case) one needs to remove them from the population to protect the law abiding citizens from their predatory behavior. Even with their failed plan these two cost tens of thousands of people a total of millions of dollars in lost wages and business. And it wasn’t the first time.

Cynthetiq

Really? I never thought that once when I was living there for almost 1 year, and visiting my family who lived there for 5.

Plenty of people there have long hair, mainly Indians. They normally keep it tucked in their turbans.

Yes, free press isn't as free as here, but thinking outside the official lines is frowned upon here as well just in a smaller circle of people than the millions that live here in America.

Really? Lee Kwan Yew helped that country change from a banana republic port to the busiest port in the world. Nothing ships from Asia that does not stop first in Singapore.

Possibly, but they are the best economy in all the SE Asian countries with India coming up fast.

Again, it's a safe and clean city with low crime rates, friendly intelligent people, and a good economy.

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