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hrdwareguy · 04-15-2005, 07:32 AM

While looking around the NRA site today, I found this:

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Tennessee 3rd Grader Finds Gun, Follows Eddie Eagle's Safety Message
Last month, eight-year old Billy Thornton was with his father, Daryl, at the TVA Employees Credit Union in Knoxville when he encountered a potentially dangerous situation. While his father was waiting in line, Billy went to the restroom and spotted a handgun in plain view pointed directly at him. More than a year before, Education Officer Katy Davis of the Knox County Sheriff's Office had taught Billy's class the Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program, which teaches children in pre-K through the third grades that if they find a gun, they should: STOP! Don't Touch. Leave the Area. Tell an Adult. And that's exactly what Billy did. He returned to his father and told him what he had found. Mr. Thornton retrieved the loaded gun and turned it over to the credit union's manager.

Accidental deaths with firearms have been decreasing for decades and are now at an all-time low in the U.S. Among children, fatal firearm accidents in the Eddie Eagle age group have been reduced by more than two-thirds since the program's inception, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. NRA feels that gun accident prevention programs such as Eddie Eagle® are a significant factor in that decline.

Past NRA President Marion P. Hammer created the program in consultation with child psychologists, elementary schoolteachers, and law enforcement officers. Now in its 17th year, the program has reached over 18 million children nationwide. The Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program has been endorsed by The National Sheriffs' Association and recognized by the National Safety Council. It is also a recipient of The American Legion's National Education Award, and has been praised by a host of national and community organizations, governors and state legislatures for its effectiveness.

The NRA encourages citizens nationwide to participate in heightening gun safety awareness within their local communities. Schools, law enforcement agencies, civic groups, and others interested in more information about The Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program should call the Eddie Eagle Department at (800) 231-0752 or visit their website at www.nrahq.org/safety/eddie.

I think this is a great story. It proves that gun education works.

WillyPete · 04-15-2005, 07:55 AM

Guns are like sex, if you don't teach your kids properly, they'll be too inquisitive to resist and will end up hurting themselves and/or others.

If you google for death rates by firearms in the US, you'll see that the 2002 figures are the most quoted.
I found one site that had an analysis I was shocked to see that the majority of the figures were not young men killing and raping with them, nor were they for children but they were mostly in the 40+ age group and of those, most were used in suicide and not violent crimes.

More people die each year from medical accidents and misdiagnosis.

It showed me two things:
The Media uses the big number incorrectly and ascribes all deaths to violence.
A lot of Americans are using their firearms to terminate their own lives.

Suave · 04-15-2005, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by WillyPete

More people die each year from medical accidents and misdiagnosis.

Saying that is as bad as misquoting firearm death numbers, Of course more people will die from medical accidents. Pure probability says so. How many people undergo medical treatment per year versus using their firearm per year, and how many times per year?

Anyway, this story is nice, and it is evidence that firearm education works. I have to take issue with your use of the word "proof" though, as such a thing doesn't exist in society.

Cynthetiq · 04-15-2005, 09:37 AM

wonderful!!!!

a good example of gun education at work.

hrdwareguy · 04-15-2005, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by WillyPete

If you google for death rates by firearms in the US, you'll see that the 2002 figures are the most quoted.

This is because the results from 2003 and 2004 have not been finalized by the CDC yet.

You are correct, when you look at the number, more people are killed by car crashes and other things each year then by firearms. Suicides are the number one firearm related death.

One of the largest driving forces is that some people don't see a *need* for guns so they think if we geti rid of them, fewer people each year will die. Then you have to start arguing need and etc, etc and on and on.

MooseMan3000 · 04-15-2005, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hrdwareguy

You are correct, when you look at the number, more people are killed by car crashes and other things each year then by firearms. Suicides are the number one firearm related death.

Not to keep this thread off topic or anything, but the fact is that the vast majority of murders (and there are quite a lot of them) are commited with firearms. That's the important statistic.

HOWEVER. I'm not against private ownership, just PRO education and regulation. I think this article is a good example of how education really does work.

WillyPete · 04-16-2005, 02:02 AM

True Suave. Statistics at work.

Same with what Mooseman3000 says, majority of murders are committed with firearms and that's because you have a higher chance of killing when it's used, unlike poison or knife.

-Bishop- · 04-16-2005, 06:59 AM

Yes. I agree with everything you have said

04-15-2005, 07:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
WillyPete Addict	Guns are like sex, if you don't teach your kids properly, they'll be too inquisitive to resist and will end up hurting themselves and/or others. If you google for death rates by firearms in the US, you'll see that the 2002 figures are the most quoted. I found one site that had an analysis I was shocked to see that the majority of the figures were not young men killing and raping with them, nor were they for children but they were mostly in the 40+ age group and of those, most were used in suicide and not violent crimes. More people die each year from medical accidents and misdiagnosis. It showed me two things: The Media uses the big number incorrectly and ascribes all deaths to violence. A lot of Americans are using their firearms to terminate their own lives. Last edited by WillyPete; 04-15-2005 at 07:56 AM.. Reason: spelling. duh.

04-15-2005, 09:37 AM	#4 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	wonderful!!!! a good example of gun education at work. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION! Last edited by Cynthetiq; 04-15-2005 at 09:39 AM..

04-16-2005, 02:02 AM	#7 (permalink)
WillyPete Addict	True Suave. Statistics at work. Same with what Mooseman3000 says, majority of murders are committed with firearms and that's because you have a higher chance of killing when it's used, unlike poison or knife.

04-16-2005, 06:59 AM	#8 (permalink)
-Bishop- Upright	Yes. I agree with everything you have said