CCW in Bar's issue - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Bowlcut · 10-29-2003, 03:58 PM

What do you think of it? Most states say you can not carry your weapon in an establisment that sells alchol for consumption on premsis. But they also say its a felony to be caught drnking while carrying. Now wouldnt it make sense to allow carry in bars. As if you drink you are in trouble. But if you need your weapon and you are the DD...you dont have it.

I think that you should be able to carry. You are in a situation that may warrent your weapon more so than elsewhere. and you already are in trouble if you do drink, more so than if you just get caught carrying. I know alot of people that scoff at that rule usual, and i do feel safer around them. That they risk getting caught carrying in bars, which is at most loose your permit type of penalty. Since they arent drinking at all not a felony. Stupid laws that go against our rights....

MSD · 10-29-2003, 05:35 PM

If it were up to me, the law would be like this: If you plan to have more than one drink, you shouldn't have a weapon on you. If you decide to have another, put it in the trunk of your car or have the designated driver hold it. If you're the designated driver, go ahead and carry.

Alcohol and dangerouse objects, whether they're guns, cars, knives, or anything else that requires full mental ability to control should not be used while intoxicated.

Bowlcut · 10-29-2003, 06:38 PM

yea definatly dont need to be around weapons and intoxicating substances. while its common for some of my friends to have a few beers before we shoot, i really dont like that practice. or the one that keeps telling me about how he shoots long distance for groups better when he had poped a few blue valiums and had a beer or two....back in the day. no thank you.

i just hate some of the antiquated and liberal made laws that we have to fight against to retain our rights

Slims · 10-30-2003, 11:41 AM

Um, I don't think we need to allow CCW holders to carry in bars: There is really only one reason to go to a bar (drinking), they are usually crowded, which would mean a firearm would be more or less useless, and the crowds also mean a higher chance of getting bumped into and your weapon being noticed.

However, I think we should be able to carry into a restaurant, as long as we don't drink and stay out of the bar proper.

I walk to most of the restaurants in town, and I often end up having to walk home in order to disarm before walking to the restaurant.

kel · 10-30-2003, 12:46 PM

Not a fan of having them in bars... there are enough by standers to break up a fight... if there aren't then your in the wrong damn bar!

Kurl · 10-30-2003, 01:15 PM

consealed weapons in bars is a BAAAAAD idea. If you pull that out, yoiu had better be ready to shoot.

Moonduck · 10-30-2003, 05:19 PM

Alcohol + guns = a vastly increased chance of fatality

I'm a gun-rights type of guy. I own firearms, have been a shooter for years, and possess a CCW. I don't think that no guns in bars is a freedom issue, it's a public safety issue that even the most dyed in the wool gun rights activist should be able to see.

Your ownership of that gun is a right. Your ability to carry it concealed is a priviledge.

Lebell · 10-31-2003, 02:11 PM

I myself am of the opinion that the same principle should be applied that is used for driving: if you are over a certain limit then no, you should not be carrying.

Under that limit, and you are fine.

10-29-2003, 03:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
Bowlcut Tilted Location: Nashville, TN USA	CCW in Bar's issue What do you think of it? Most states say you can not carry your weapon in an establisment that sells alchol for consumption on premsis. But they also say its a felony to be caught drnking while carrying. Now wouldnt it make sense to allow carry in bars. As if you drink you are in trouble. But if you need your weapon and you are the DD...you dont have it. I think that you should be able to carry. You are in a situation that may warrent your weapon more so than elsewhere. and you already are in trouble if you do drink, more so than if you just get caught carrying. I know alot of people that scoff at that rule usual, and i do feel safer around them. That they risk getting caught carrying in bars, which is at most loose your permit type of penalty. Since they arent drinking at all not a felony. Stupid laws that go against our rights....

10-30-2003, 11:41 AM	#4 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	Um, I don't think we need to allow CCW holders to carry in bars: There is really only one reason to go to a bar (drinking), they are usually crowded, which would mean a firearm would be more or less useless, and the crowds also mean a higher chance of getting bumped into and your weapon being noticed. However, I think we should be able to carry into a restaurant, as long as we don't drink and stay out of the bar proper. I walk to most of the restaurants in town, and I often end up having to walk home in order to disarm before walking to the restaurant. __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence

10-30-2003, 12:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
kel WARNING: FLAMMABLE Location: Ask Acetylene	Not a fan of having them in bars... there are enough by standers to break up a fight... if there aren't then your in the wrong damn bar! __________________ "It better be funny"

10-31-2003, 02:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	I myself am of the opinion that the same principle should be applied that is used for driving: if you are over a certain limit then no, you should not be carrying. Under that limit, and you are fine. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

10-29-2003, 05:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	If it were up to me, the law would be like this: If you plan to have more than one drink, you shouldn't have a weapon on you. If you decide to have another, put it in the trunk of your car or have the designated driver hold it. If you're the designated driver, go ahead and carry. Alcohol and dangerouse objects, whether they're guns, cars, knives, or anything else that requires full mental ability to control should not be used while intoxicated.

10-29-2003, 06:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
Bowlcut Tilted Location: Nashville, TN USA	yea definatly dont need to be around weapons and intoxicating substances. while its common for some of my friends to have a few beers before we shoot, i really dont like that practice. or the one that keeps telling me about how he shoots long distance for groups better when he had poped a few blue valiums and had a beer or two....back in the day. no thank you. i just hate some of the antiquated and liberal made laws that we have to fight against to retain our rights

10-30-2003, 01:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
Kurl Upright	consealed weapons in bars is a BAAAAAD idea. If you pull that out, yoiu had better be ready to shoot.

10-30-2003, 05:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
Moonduck Junkie Location: SE USA	Alcohol + guns = a vastly increased chance of fatality I'm a gun-rights type of guy. I own firearms, have been a shooter for years, and possess a CCW. I don't think that no guns in bars is a freedom issue, it's a public safety issue that even the most dyed in the wool gun rights activist should be able to see. Your ownership of that gun is a right. Your ability to carry it concealed is a priviledge.