kirk44

One of the best movie gaff catches I ever made was in the movie "Boys from Company C"( one of the best war movies ever) They where using a mock M-16,which is to say they were a.22 caliber rimfire knock off of the original rifle.It was a pretty good likeness of the M-16 except that the magazine was part of the rifle, you couldnt extract it. It was solid piece of metal that you stuck a small .22 magazine into.( and no it wasn't a conversion kit) The only way to tell was if the actor had held the rifle up to the camera so that you could see the bottom of the mag.

When I was a second AD assitant on the Fourth War, They had a US weapons wrangler that put the extras through basic training with the prop guns. It was very intensive.It was quite funny to see these guys show up thinking they were going to make some easy bucks and then have to get not only a brutally short haircut, but endure 2 weeks of boot camp prior to filming.

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Moonduck

I really dug "Tombstone". No comment on the number of shots or gunhandling, but more because it is a Western wherein everyone is NOT using a Peacemaker. I S&W Schofields, Stars, Schubert & Erwin (sp?), and a cooupla others, not to mention some very rare and proper shotguns. The three-triggered side-by-side that Kurt Russel uses for the scene where he walks across the stream firing is an extremely rare gun.

livewirerc

My favorite gun porn movie is by fay "The Way of The Gun". Lots of great shootouts, tactical handgunning, and THEY RELOAD! Yes, a movie where they can only muster 7 shots out of a .45 milspec with a standard mag. Plus, they know when to keep a finger on the trigger and when not to. Anyway, it's a great movie, full of fun shootouts and I definately recommend it to any gun nut.

Willy

I couldn't agree more. That movie was ridiculous. Nicky's machine gun runs out of bullets and he pulls out the colt, standing up out in the open he drops 10 bad guys with machine guns with 10 shots from his .45 as they all run blindly at him without even firing a shot.

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ToiletDuck

Still a classic

Dirty Harry

Zeld2.0

Well SPR and Band of Brothers were all fairly accurate because they hired a lot of experts on the weapons - also because a lot of actual vets were involved.

not to mention that there are many replicas (and the actual weaposn themselves) floating around of the Mauser, Garand, BAR, and what not.

hell IIRC they even used the original guns but used blanks - so the guns were very much real though the effects of recoil and what not would of course, be different.

but yeah those movies had damn good accuracy

Apokx

I never really let stuff bother me,other than watching SWAT today..

First 5 minutes had 2 terrorists outside a store firing 2 AK-47's at police officers.Well,a minute later one of the T's tries to leave the scene via a car.SWAT leader says "Don't let him get away" and a sniper perched on a rooftop shoots the guy in the neck through the windshield.


Now..why in the world didn't the sniper take them out before letting at least 3 cops/civilians be shot.

Later,Samuel L Jackson states that "SWAT is about saving lives,not taking them"

wtf?

omnigod

My favorite weapon scene was in Monty Python and the holy grail when Sir Lancelot charges through swamp castle killing almost everyone.... and when he beats on the side of the french castle with his sword.
heh, and since most everyone is talking about guns... the catapult and the wooden rabbit was pretty good

JimmyTheHutt

Its actually a Beretta 92F, so the trick is technically possible. The slide release mechanisim on the Beretta is on the left side of the slide, and can be released with a quick flick of the fingers, if you are holding the top of the slide. One quick pull and the hole slide assembly comes off in your had. Just don't screw up! :0

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Zeld2.0

omfg that monty python scene is the ownage. period.

jadedgrin

now i read aout half the posts and alot of people say the saving private you know had realistic weapon situation, OMG you guys are blind. but then again i didnt expect you to not be.

there are so many things that are obvious, boddies disapear, grenades are useless and stuff like that, i dont care if your a seal, people dont just pick up grenades and throw them back out a window casually, thats just dumb. at least they could do it quickly instead of taking their sweet time. also in the scene where the coward pulls a rifle on about 10 germans and forces them to surrender....... you have to be shitting me, there is a reason assualting someone with a thompson SMG is a federal offense. and about 3 of the german soldiers had MP40 's (basically just as good as thompson if not better) realistically they wouldnt have just turned, looked and shot him. and when the fat guy captain runs out of ammo, throws his helmet at a german soldier and then shoot him with his pistol, if you pay attension you can clearly see that the german soldier just stands there with a pistol in his hand and lets himself get killed

dont beleive me, rent the dvd... look, and be amazed at how blind you really are

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The_Dunedan

jadedgrin;
I've spoken to several WW2 vets, and they all say that SPR is the most realistic portrayal of the realities of war that they've ever seen. The biggest reason for this, according to them, is that it portrays the whole range of human reactions under combat. Several of them especially commented on the reactions of Cpl. Oppum; an undertrained intellectual who was totally unsuited for combat and was never prepared to see action, thrust into the middle of that situation.
You also seem to have the "10 germans" confused with Waffen SS. A WSS soldier would probably have reacted as you describe, but most of the Infantry in Normandy were non-German conscripts and POW's; Poles, Russians, French, there were even 6 Koreans captured on Omaha. They had no desire to fight for the Nazi regime; one group of Poles on Omaha Dog Green even mutinied and shot their Waffen SS Seargent, and then promptly surrendered. The behaviour of the soldiers Oppum rounds up is, in my opinion and that of men who were there, entirely realistic.

Tusko

don't EVEN bring up Saving Private Ryan, don't get me wrong, it's my favourite movie... but... i can't even count the mistakes on my fingers and toes.

" dont care if your a seal, people dont just pick up grenades and throw them back out a window casually, thats just dumb"

wrong. there are MANY accounts of it happening. German grenades- "potato mashers" were infamous for well.. sucking.

"if you pay attension you can clearly see that the german soldier just stands there with a pistol in his hand and lets himself get killed"

no, he is pulling out his pistol, or getting it loaded or it's jammed or something. he IS doing something.

"A WSS soldier would probably have reacted as you describe, but most of the Infantry in Normandy were non-German conscripts and POW's; Poles, Russians, French, there were even 6 Koreans captured on Omaha"

green units wouldn't be fighting side by side with a Tiger and a Marders to take an "extremely important bridge."


Hmm, i'll also bring up the fact that the Captain was carrying a thompson, and the sarge had the Carbine. it should be vice-versa.

There was a problem with jackson's windage corrections, but i don't recall what it was.

That 20mm flak is a false gun. it's based on several real guns, but that thing isn't a real model.

The Tiger was a poor mock-up of a tiger.

infact, the tiger itself was just a problem. it seems like they just let Hans Nobody lead that battlegroup. Strategy way wrong.

P51s on an incorrect strafing pattern, they would strafe horizontally. they came from behind the friendly units. not a good idea. as well, no bomb racks.

I believe jackson fires a few too many rounds when taking out the sniper in the bell tower.

Mg34s labeled as MG42s. one is heard, but never seen.

The sticky bomb disaster.... dude, that shit is HIGH powered explosive. when that unfortunate fella held onto for too long, there was a little puff of smoke and some chunks. that part really bothered be because it appeared to be gore for gore's sake. if it's gonna be gory, at least do it right.

i can keep going....

s8ins child

If you look closely at many of the Breavheart battle scenes you see that when Mel Gibson (William Wallace) is running, the amount of times the weapon changes in his hand from an axe to a sword to nuthing to anaxe etc... it had me in stitches laughing!

debaser

If you insist on calling the very knowlegable members of this board "blind", you may at least want to discriminate between a SFC and a Captain. You may also want to study a bit of film making and realize the difficulties in continuity you have with large casts and battle scenes.

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debaser

Actually at that point the Germans were using anybody and everybody they could get their hands on.

Both the 2nd and 12st Panzer divions were in Normandy, as was the 12th SS Panzer.

Panzer Lehr arrived on the 8th of June, which, IIRC, was prior to the main action of the film.

All of the above units had the Tiger 1, the mock up of which was actually very well made, even incorporating the "rough armour" of post-1941 tanks.

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The "Dick Gun" used in From Dusk Til Dawn, now thats a weapon !!

Gorgo

I just watched SWAT last night. Holy Hollywood ridiculous.

I couldn't believe the SWAT Snipers just watched while two bank robbers were outside, in the open, firing full-auto AK-47s and shooting down cops. They shoot one when he gets behind the wheel of a car, why did they wait?

Also puzzling, the SWAT troops were carrying M4s, wtf, SWATs standard weapon is an MP5 using 9MM. M4 have way too much velocity for city use with civilian bystanders. I think the director thought he was making a Military movie based on Rainbow Six.

Other oddities, SWAT guns running out in the open and charging bad guys hiding behind cover, what tactic is that? The get shot in open super guy move?

But seriously, SWAT is a perfect example of overblown Topgun style flashy, good looking but dumb as hell combat action.

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Saving Private Ryan, Way Of The Gun and Heat are among my favorites for gritty, brutally realistic combat action. Some people in Hollywood understand how to make a 'realistic' movie containing combat. It also means the movies usually have a 'R' rating.

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jhericurl21

Way of the Gun wasnt that entertaining for me


now that stoner chick from Lock Stock 2 Smoking Barrels firing that cannon in slow-mo, thats entertaining

123dsa

I watched Road to Perdition this weekend with the wife. When I saw the last scene I thought about this thread. Tom Hanks get shot from behind by the bad guy and the bullets supposedly go through him and the blood hits the window. The problem lies in the fact that the window doesn't break. It really bothered me.

Sun Tzu

I thought the guns in "Eraser" were cool; especially the scope. Maybe if the had magnetized power sources on backpacks hand held rail guns may have been a little belivable.



Can anyone tell me what

A phased plasma pulse-laser in

the forty watt range...
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cliv

The movie I have the most heartburn over is "Red Dawn", the movie where the Soviet Union attacks and occupies the US.

There is a scene where the heroes of the movie are standing on and around a Soviet tank and it fires. The heroes put there hands over their ears, yell "ouch", fall down and get right up. I can assure you that the damage to a person's ears and the pain would be elicit more than "ouch".

Tusko

"Actually at that point the Germans were using anybody and everybody they could get their hands on.

Both the 2nd and 12st Panzer divions were in Normandy, as was the 12th SS Panzer.

Panzer Lehr arrived on the 8th of June, which, IIRC, was prior to the main action of the film.

All of the above units had the Tiger 1, the mock up of which was actually very well made, even incorporating the "rough armour" of post-1941 tanks."

Czech etc troops were serving on the front lines, as reserves and on the eastern front. i like how some of them in the beach scene actually spoke czech.

secondly, the 12th SS (fanatic hitler youth) caused alot of problems. They really mixed it up with the canadians and caused alot of problems.

Secondly, no one would march those tanks into the town the way they did. Especially not the marders. Jerry wasnt that depserate as to use marders as main battle tanks. In fact, they should not have even been near the town. Those tanks are used for sitting back and lobbing shells. Not duking it out with other tanks or infantry.

debaser

The Marder was specifically a tank destroyer, but the vehicles in the movie were Panzerjäger Nashorns, which were also used in the tank-destroyer/assault-gun role.

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mvassek

Very possible as part of our training when I was in the Navy. A marine Gunnery Sargent used the slide removal technique on many of us during practice building entries to teach us the valuable lesson of not extending your pistol to far around the corner before you knew what was there. He could remove the slide and barrel before you knew he had a hold of your pistol. You look pretty stupid walking out of the training building with just the reciever. Bleed in training so you don't bleed in real life.

The pistol in question was the Berretta 92f 9mm.

pointfourfive

Actually, the 5.56mm is supposed to have less penetration in flesh then a 9mm round (due to the fact that the round fragments inside tissue above certain velocities), so it's actually safer for bystanders. Granted, this is from my armchair commando perspective, but the .223 seems to becoming much more popular for police work.

One thing that I did like about SWAT was the fact that they realized that a round stayed in the chamber after dropping the mag. Now if only Colin Farrell's character had just shot the bad guy, I would have been a very happy happy man. I've been waiting for that for a while now.

im2smrt4u

The only war movie I have found truly convincing was Band of Brothers.

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kel

I liked band of brothers, but I feel it suffered the ever present budgetary limitation in giving the scope of every battle and engagement. I could never really tell how many people were involved in the holding of bastogne or the taking of that village afterwards. It always made things confusing...

Also there are some seeming plot mistakes at the end of episode 3 before episode 4 vis a vis the location of EZ company. In episode 3 it appears that EZ company is located in england at the end when the dude picks up the laundry and they are drinking it up. But at somepoint I remember it being said that they weren't going to get to go back, and that they would have to go straight back to the line. If that is the case, where did they get their dress uniforms?

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debaser

5.56 has less penetration through drywall than a 9mm, for the reasons you present. It is very popular with entry teams.

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Gortexfogg

I've always hated it in movies when they don't accurately potray recoil. Especially in war, crime, and action movies of the 60, 70s, and 80s. The bad and good guys blaze away with their guns, but their arms are stiff and the gun's don't move.

kel

Well with enough practice, it doesn't really look like the gun moves or your arms do when you fire semi-automatic weapons.
And to pull off half the moves these people do you would have to practice that much.

The slide kinda just runs back and forth real quick and the sights to my own eyes just waver a bit.

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MPower

Check out this site for movie accuracy

http://intuitor.com/moviephysics/index.html

debaser

I saw SWAT last night.

Stopped taking it seriously after the guy on the range had an obvious jam with his .45 and the gun kept making firing noises and kicking.

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seizei

whenever anyone uses a katana in a movie - the grip is usually wrong. Off the top of my head... in pulp fiction, in the "man-sex-in-the-basement" scene... guy comes in with the katana, holding both hands together at the butt end of the handle. the left hand should be at the butt end, and the right hand should be at the opposite end of the handle, near the tsuba (guard).

still cuts people either way, just bugs me a little.

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debaser

I don't think Bruce Willis was supposed to know how to use it properly....

At least the shotgun to the crotch scene was well done, no flying backwards and all that bollocks....

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neddy65

My all time fovorite movie weapon missuse is when a police officer is firing away at the bad guy with all kinds of bystanders bystanding. they do it in airports and malls and in crowded streets all the time... what happened to the protect part of protect and serve?

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123dsa...

I haven't seen Road to Perdition yet, but thanks for telling me Tom Hanks gets shot.....

Deuce66

Shooting through the glass probly wouldnt accomplish much. I read on some gun physics website ages ago, when firing a bullet through glass, it usually goes anywhere but strait. The bullet spinning at high velocities will "bounce" off the shattering glass at an angle, from what I read.

This is somewhat true. The teflon coating does nothing to help penetrate armor, but instead protects the barrel of the gun, as these 'cop killer' bullets are usually a rougher material, such as steel.

True, but his was .50, remember? =) 7 round capacity. The .44 and .357 are 8 and 9 capaicity, respectively.
http://www.magnumresearch.com =)

opentocomments

i hate the shot in the chest and die instantly
i mean even if you are shot in the chest isnt there struggeling while your lungs flood/ heart stops if ur shot in the heart u live for 4 or 5 sec and couldnt u pull the trigger and return the favor to the ass who shot u in 4-5 sec

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