Zeraph

I was referring to someone's post that said something along the lines of, "you must be a super trained ex-marine just to own a gun or you're being irresponsible".

Yeah I get the point. Although it surprises me the military isn't more profficient. Oh wait, not really heh.

ring

You way misquoted. Please don't do that.
He was just saying you need to practice more than twice a year.

Plan 9's trying to help you here.
You live in a state where you don't even have to take a basic test to carry concealed.
(& those tests are blargh way not enough training anyhows, different topic.)

A good gun class will train & help you understand how to function when your fight/flight adrenaline is pumping during a variety of scenarios,
whether it's in bed at night, or on the street. Daylight vs. Night, etc,
and also how to handle & become familiar with your gun blindfolded.
It's worth the investment. It truly is.

I'm not military trained. I don't know the pros & cons of the basic training methods.
Yeah, sure, I've read what other military folk have posted here & I hear that
the training isn't as thorough as it should be.

So, I'm going to quote Plan 9 again:
"Taking classes with guns made me good with guns. It's that simple."

Yep.

Zeraph

Just FYI I have taken a gun safety class and been around a lot of well informed gun nuts. No the class was not as thorough as those referenced above, but just thought I'd put that out there. Its not like I'm completely opposed to gun classes or anything. Its just in MY particular case I'm not sure if I want to take the time and money. I've already had training in functioning with major adrenaline pumping while trying not to get hit hard with a bokken (which hurts).

Yes it'd be better if I did practice more and take lots of classes. But it'd also be better if I trained every single day, spent some time in the military, etc. Gotta draw the line somewhere.

Luckily its up to me and not random joe's opinions.

Plan9

Mediocrity: It's good enough.

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Zeraph

hehe, yup.


But seriously, this is getting me into the mood to do some training when I've got the money for it. Don't get me wrong, I'd jump at the opportunity to train. I'm just shit broke (which means I aint buying the gun anytime soon, so sooth to your worries).

Also, totally forgot about this, but what do you guys think of that one revolver that fires .410 buckshot? I heard from an old man who used to teach courses that was a nice one for CC self defense.

Plan9

Dude, we have a thread on that turd.

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Zeraph

Posting this here because it seems more on topic than the other thread.

I wouldn't be getting it for mixed rounds. I was just thinking the .410 (buckshot/defensive shot or whatever the best is called) shotgun shells would be good ballistics for self defense, no? Does anyone know what they compare to? What caliber is closest I mean in doing damage?

PS also dunedan (sp?) makes good points. It sounds like many people dislike it more out of snobbery. Even if it is marketed toward the "mall ninjas" that doesn't automatically make it a bad gun.

KirStang

I'm actually curious as to how .410 buck performs on gelatin.

Plan9

I think the Dunedan is a small arms genius, but I'll disagree with his analysis of the Taurus Judge until the day I stop posting on TFP.

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Zeraph

Excuse me, but why? Your main complaint seemed to be mixing the rounds (and its target audience which is irrelevant in performance). Well what if you didn't mix them and just used .410, wouldn't that be a good self defense gun to CC?

If there's something I'm missing please explain.

Plan9

Lemme break this down for you Barney style since the other thread apparently failed to maintain your TL;DR attention span:

- Two generic-rare and largely antiquated calibers: .45 Long Colt and .410 shotgun (harder to find, more expensive than 9/40/45)
- Monstrous handgun twice as bulky as a G34 while holding less than a third of the ammo (not suited for concealed carry)
- Double action revolver pull means you're either fighting a heavy trigger every time or having to cock the hammer (do those under stress)
- Revolver offers increased reliability (in theory) over an automatic but at the cost of being slower/more awkward to reload under stress
- Doesn't do anything that a G19 can't do better, faster and cheaper (scripture states that Jesus Christ himself carries a Glock 19)
- May suffer from mechanical problems, Taurus is an iffy brand at best (hence "Lifetime Warranty" printed on everything they wave)

I hope this Cliff's Notes version helps. If that doesn't clear it up, check out AR15.com, M4Carbine.net, etc. for reviews on this fugly beast.

The Bubba Cannon is a junk gun cash cow fad and a whimsical toy, not something you use to defend yourself or your family.

Do yourself a favor and buy a compact 9mm service pistol first. If you want something fun later, go for the Judge.

It'll be fun for however long you shoot it before it becomes a safe queen / conversation piece.

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Zeraph

Yes, that helped. Thank you. Although I do hope dune weighs in as well.

edit: it was sort of an attention span thing....ive got a doctors appointment soon...my first prostate exam *shudder*

Plan9

Dunedan doesn't need to come in here and beat me up again with his side of the debate.

As retarded as I am, my palm still isn't big enough to cover my entire face. I wish it was.

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monkeysugar

If you are stuck on the .45, the best I can recommend, within your price range, without going Glock, is a RIA/Armscor 1911. I have one in the compact model, and I have no complaints, other than the cost of ammunition...and the factory grips are absolutely fucking horrid. Besides that...go for it. That...Being...Said... and I'm fully aware that I'm beating a dead horse here, but...

Get some training. I know, you're a pretty good shot, and you're used to having some experience with dealing with stressful situations, potential home invasions, etc. etc. etc. yeah I get it...we all get it. Get some training. Plan9 has already said it better than anyone else can.

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Zeraph

I get it I plan to. You can all sleep easy now hehe

Zeraph

So I got my first bit of, no technically second bit of official training. Besides basics we worked on double tap. Really easy with a .22....not so much on the .45 or 12 gauge (that semi auto was really fun, he called it his zombie gun hehe).

Any advice for the guns that have more of a kick?

KirStang

Todd Jarrett does a good job of going over a few fundamentals. I watched this four years ago and it really helped. There's a lot more that goes in to fast accurate pistol shooting, but this video's a good start.

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Start slow. Front sight. Shoot at reset.

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Zeraph

BTW I forgot to mention, it was super cool trying all his guns. There was this one, .50 another guy had that let us shoot it. He even had tracer rounds. Was frickin awesome.