Munku

I just reformatted my comp to fix a few problems and just start clean, but now I have run into another issue.. The way my router is set up, we have the cable going to the router and the router to mine and my dad's computers. Before I reformatted I could type 192.168.1.1 to access my router's settings but now I can not. I found some info on Linksys's page that allowed me to do this, except it disconnected me from the router and would not let me access the internet etc.

Basically I want to keep my settings how they are, except allow myself to enter the router setup to configure port forwarding etc. I'm running Windows XP if that makes any difference. Thanks guys!

cyrnel

Is your net working? Did your system acquire an IP address, or did you set one?

Start->run "cmd" then "ipconfig" in the console window.

Are your dad's computers able to access the router?

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Munku

Neither of us can access the router, but both of us can connect to the net. And no I did not set any ip addresses, it's all set on automatic currently. If I change that it seems to disconnect me from the network.

cyrnel

Formatting your system would not affect your dad's systems unless you were the ICS host for all access. Something else is going on.

What do you mean by:
"now I can not. I found some info on Linksys's page that allowed me to do this, except it disconnected me from the router and would not let me access the internet etc"

Do you receive any error messages? Same problem on all systems?

You're sure the router is at 192.168.1.1?

What address is your system picking up automatically? (do the ipconfig thing)

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Munku

What's the command to keep the ip config window open? In XP it just closes right away. Also, if you have AIM you can IM me at Uhmerikan if you'd rather not go back and forth here. Thanks for the help.

And yes, I'm sure it's at 192.168.1.1 This is what it was before I reformatted and this is what it was when I altered my tcp/ip settings according to the Linksys help page. And when I alter that, it disconnects me from whatever and I can no longer access the web etc. And for clarification, my dad's comp never could access the router config, only I could before I reformatted.

cyrnel

start->run... then "cmd" (return)

That opens the window.

Then "ipconfig".

edit: The stuff about 1.1 addressing and your dad's systems never working is scaring me. It's late. Go slow for me.

This box is building. If I tried to install AIM right now the world would surely collapse.

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Munku

Bleh I'm blind, missed the cmd part. /bonk 65.33.235.54 is what it's giving me.

cyrnel

You should get an ip address, mask, and gateway. If that 65. address is what your interface is picking up then your linksys is either running in bridging mode or you're on a public address range. Is your dad paying for a range of addresses? I see that's RoadRunner. Don't know their packages.

Your gateway is probably the linksys. Try that address.

If not, do the cmd thing again.

Then "tracert yahoo.com".
The first hop should be the router.

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Munku

Mask 255.255.248.
Gateway 65.33.232.1

No idea on the bridge mode and I'm pretty sure he's not paying for a range of addresses. And yes it is roadrunner hehe.

cyrnel

Bridge mode is highly unlikely. The mask tells me you have public addresses. Did the gateway address work to talk to the linksys?

Most consumer packages out here are single addresses and people run NAT'd private nets. Business connections are usually required for a public range. But that's out here.

Again, private ranges are the 192.168. or 10., etc address ranges. The unwashed masses usually only get one public address and so have to use "fake" private ranges on the inside of their router. So routers ship using those private ranges as the default LAN range. To initially config them you have to set a system to talk to it (auto or static), then configure it. Once configured, if you're using public addresses then the private addressing is gone. You have to use the new address. That could explain why 192.168.1.1 worked but then stopped.

I'm not speaking or thinking clearly but sounds like you're close.

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Munku

*gasps* So what do I do! And no, the gateway didn't work =[ Feel free to get back to me tomorrow or whenever, no rush right now

cyrnel

Sorry, I gave up too early. Having some build issues here. One synapse too few this late.

Your mask is 255.255.255.248. (A /29 range. Implies 8 addresses (minus 2 for net & broadcast) - nevermind)
Hosts should be 65.33.235.49-54.
You're at 65.33.235.54.
Your linksys internal is probably 65.33.235.49. Probably. I'm way done for today.

If that isn't it you'll probably hear from Bendsley, Pragma eta l before me.

I'm also struck by the question "If the net's working, what is Munku up to?"

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Pragma

So you said there were two internal computers? Your IP address was 65.33.235.54 - what was the other computer's IP address?

Also, if you do traceroute to www.google.com (or tfproject.org, or anywhere else), what is the first hop reported?

This is an odd problem And thanks for the mention, cyrnel - I was going to leave this thread alone originally because I saw you were taking care of it, until I saw it wasn't resolved, so I figured I'd chip in my two cents and see if two chefs would help.

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bendsley

Is your linksys set to gateway mode instead of router? That might possibly be the case.

But yeah, I agree with Pragma on identifying your gateway route at the first hop you come to. Go to Start --> Run. Type in "cmd", hit enter, then in the DOS prompt, type "tracert www.google.com". The first hop should be your linksys router.

Try opening that first-hop address in IE or Firefox and see if you get a login prompt.

If all else fails, maybe try hitting the reset button on the router (might have to hold it in for a few seconds). This should reset the router to default state when shipped from mfg. and reset the routers IP address to 192.168.1.1 on the internal side.

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cyrnel

Severe peer-pressure Munku. Better get to tracing.

Hope my PM didn't drive you to drink. I still think the easiest direction would be to find the setup doc RoadRunner gave your dad. Then if a linksys reset is needed we won't risk losing anything. As you've noticed, doing this in reverse means we glean everything we can from the different machines, then any routes, and then make a stab. Not exactly efficient.

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Munku

Well I did some more searching and ended up getting it working after trying a few things and nearly pulling my hair out. So everything is set now and back up to full speed after my format hehe. Thanks for the help guys, appreciated.

Jinn

what'd you do? I'm glad you got it working, but I'm moreso curious what the solution was -- cause that's a pretty strange problem.

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Plaid13

ok heres what i would do... take that linksys and throw it against a brick wall as hard as you can. then get a diffrent brand router.... wish i could afford to do it with my linksys

bendsley

That's not helpful at all. Linksys is a very respectable brand, now owned by an even better and more respectable brand (Cisco)......and too, it runs linux. What more could you want on a network aside from Linux and Cisco?

Is there a reason you want to tell us about as to why you don't like Linksys or think they should be used?

Be a little more forthcoming in your responses instead of telling someone to throw away their equipment.

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