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pokethebody · 10-24-2005, 08:56 PM

my comp is at 80 normoly is this realy hot for it or not and how much is

shakran · 10-24-2005, 09:11 PM

80. . .what? celcius or fahrenheit?

FYI if it's 80 kelvin it's way too damn hot

Pragma · 10-25-2005, 04:22 AM

Hah, I wish my computer ran at 80 kelvin - that'd be sweet. Mmm, subzero CPU temperatures.

cyrnel · 10-25-2005, 04:55 AM

Sounds like a case temp in fahrenheit, or the monitor you're using isn't looking at the correct address. What's showing the temp?

Too cold for an operating, air-cooled, cpu in fahrenheit.
Too hot for a cpu in celcius. 175f? Come on baby light my fire.

shakran · 10-25-2005, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pragma

Hah, I wish my computer ran at 80 kelvin - that'd be sweet. Mmm, subzero CPU temperatures.

I wish my eyes worked. Totally missed the negative sign when I was converting that

pokethebody · 10-25-2005, 05:28 PM

well latly its ben at 90 F for the case and about 100 F for the cpu and i dont think thats hot is it??

Pragma · 10-25-2005, 05:46 PM

That's around normal - my system tends to run in that range and there's no need to worry.

cyrnel · 10-25-2005, 05:48 PM

Downright chilly.

It's unusual to only have a 10*f temp differential between case and CPU unless it's idling after the case warmed up. Try it while crunching something. Prime95, or folding.stanford.edu tasks work well. Idle temps don't tell you about headroom.

Also, to know what's "hot" you have to know which processor down to the core. There are many specs for the various processors.

Still curious what program you're using to monitor temps.

What's the room temp?

soccerchamp76 · 10-25-2005, 06:58 PM

My processor generally runs at 328K normally. Under load, it goes to about 338K. I have even reached 343K, after running my Norton anti-virus scan, Ad-aware scan, Spybot scan, RegistryMechanic simultaneaously.

catback · 10-25-2005, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shakran

I wish my eyes worked. Totally missed the negative sign when I was converting that

lol...I guess -315.67 Fahrenheit is too hot for you

soccerchamp76 · 10-25-2005, 07:02 PM

At 353K, you should be VERY worried about the condition of your processor as it might be damaged. Mine reached 353K when I was messing around with switching a different heatsink on and didn't apply enough thermal paste. It got up to 358K before thermal throttling kicked on and shutdown the computer to prevent damage.

P.S. I don't know why I decided to use the Kelvin temperature scale.
For those who do not know: xºC + 273 = x K. There are no degree marks in Kelvin, just the K. 0K is the smallest possible temperature value, nothing can get colder than that, at zero kelvin, all molecular motion stops. Quick physics/chemistry fun fact there.

jujueye · 10-30-2005, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cyrnel

Also, to know what's "hot" you have to know which processor down to the core. There are many specs for the various processors.

Yeah, all procs are different. If you have an Intel proc, head out to...yes, Intel and look it up. You will find max temps posted there.

For my machine, I use the Asus Probe (not Anal Probe) to check the temperatures. I am idling now at 84F for the proc, and 87F for the MB. If I am gaming, the temps get up to around 105 or so, but that is well within range.

Catdaddy33 · 10-31-2005, 05:27 AM

Intel P4 has a max temp of 70C.

I had overheating probs a week or so ago, and cleaned the dust from the fan and heatsink and dropped the temp 10-15C. I run around 45-50 after extending playing...

tornadored · 11-05-2005, 07:37 PM

All,

I'm having a similar problem. I recently upgraded my PC from a P4 1.9ghz to a P4 3.0ghz, replacing the motherboard, cpu, a new power supply (Antec TruPower 2.0) and an additional hard drive.

I also have exhaust fans in the case. One is in the front and draws cool air in, while two are in the back and are blowing hot air out. However, I installed the desktop utilities application today and I'm startled.

Processor Zone Temperature: 144F
System Zone 1 Temperature: 111F
System Zone 2 Temperature: 99F

Can anyone provide any remedies to this situation. I know these temperatures are not dangerous, but they are on the high side of normal.

Thanks!

cyrnel · 11-05-2005, 07:47 PM

Tornadored,

P4's are hot but you're right, that is a little high. Is that idle or working temp?

Case open or closed? Any cables in the way of cpu airflow?

New heatsink/fan? Clean? Intel or aftermarket? Designed for recent P4's?

Is the fan running at full speed? If it's connected to a temp-controlled power connector on the MB, can you change the trigger temps in the BIOS?

If you installed it yourself, how much thermal compound did you use? Less is better.

tornadored · 11-05-2005, 07:55 PM

Tornadored,

P4's are hot but you're right, that is a little high. Is that idle or working temp?

Idle and working, it does not vary much.

Case open or closed? Any cables in the way of cpu airflow?

Case closed, I worked today on organizing the cables to keep them away from the cpu.

New heatsink/fan? Clean? Intel or aftermarket? Designed for recent P4's?

All new, Intel heatsink and fan.

Is the fan running at full speed? If it's connected to a temp-controlled power connector on the MB, can you change the trigger temps in the BIOS?

I'll check it out.

If you installed it yourself, how much thermal compound did you use? Less is better.

None, the chip did not come with any.

cyrnel · 11-05-2005, 08:28 PM

Thermal pad 775? Which? Max temps 155.8 to 156.4, depending on model.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tornadored

Idle and working, it does not vary much.

What's creating the load for working temp?

Quote:

All new, Intel heatsink and fan.

Nothing under the HSF that might interfere? Wires can get caught and separate the surfaces.

Quote:

I'll check it (fan speeds) out.

Plugging the cpu fan into a case fan socket that's temp controlled can be bad. Just in case.

tornadored · 11-05-2005, 08:37 PM

775....

The load is not much, I had the software setup as default earlier, and I would just open up IE and get a warning about overheating. Since then I have increased the threshold a few degrees.

Nothing under the HSF, just checked it out.

However I did unplug the fans from the PS controlled plugs and put them on the standard connections. The fans are running faster now. Here is what I have:

Processor Zone: 140F
Sys Zone 1: 108F
Sys Zone 2: 90F

A bit better...

cyrnel · 11-05-2005, 10:05 PM

775...? The temp limits vary by a few degrees depending on specific model.

Here's a good specification summary with max temps:

http://users.erols.com/chare/elec.htm

Search for "P4-xxx" where xxx is 571, 670, etc.

I'd want to know working temps. Fire up the http://folding.stanford.edu/download.html client for a couple minutes.

You mentioned there wasn't anything under the HSF. There should have been a small square pad of conductive material. It's protected until you remove the heatsink from the packaging. If you don't have either a pad or grease, or if something got stuck to the pad, then that would cause high temps.

tornadored · 11-06-2005, 09:11 AM

Intel Pentium 4 531 800MHz FSB LGA 775 EM64T

Looks like my max temp is 67.7° C (153.86° F)

As I type this I am running at 140°F.

Under the HSF, I remember installing the processor, and then setting the HSF over top of it. Do not recall messing with anything. Then again, it was last week, and lately I haven't remember what I've done yesterday.

I'll do some folding and post some numbers.

Thanks!

tornadored · 11-06-2005, 09:32 AM

Crunching at 169° F.

cyrnel · 11-06-2005, 11:42 AM

I'd hold off on any heavy work for now. There's always some error but 169 is beyond a comfortable fudge factor, assuming you're on the good side. Consider room temperature and what'll happen in the Spring/Summer as case temps rise.

Quote:

Under the HSF, I remember installing the processor, and then setting the HSF over top of it. Do not recall messing with anything. Then again, it was last week, and lately I haven't remember what I've done yesterday.

Join the club.

I'd check the processor area for airflow. Is there a good exhaust path or is the air recycling? Does the power supply have an inlet just above? Is there a case outlet fan nearby?

If case airflow isn't helping I'd check the processor/HS junction. The stock pad is easily damaged so be prepared with thermal compound. Clean both sides with alcohol and apply a grain of rice sized blob (large rice but small blob) in the center. If this was a problem you'll see some change immediately, though the interface will improve over the following days as the compound settles in.

10-24-2005, 08:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
pokethebody Banned	how hot is to hot for a pc my comp is at 80 normoly is this realy hot for it or not and how much is

10-25-2005, 04:22 AM	#3 (permalink)
Pragma I am Winter Born Location: Alexandria, VA	Hah, I wish my computer ran at 80 kelvin - that'd be sweet. Mmm, subzero CPU temperatures. __________________ Eat antimatter, Posleen-boy!

10-25-2005, 04:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
cyrnel Adequate Location: In my angry-dome.	Sounds like a case temp in fahrenheit, or the monitor you're using isn't looking at the correct address. What's showing the temp? Too cold for an operating, air-cooled, cpu in fahrenheit. Too hot for a cpu in celcius. 175f? Come on baby light my fire. __________________ There are a vast number of people who are uninformed and heavily propagandized, but fundamentally decent. The propaganda that inundates them is effective when unchallenged, but much of it goes only skin deep. If they can be brought to raise questions and apply their decent instincts and basic intelligence, many people quickly escape the confines of the doctrinal system and are willing to do something to help others who are really suffering and oppressed." -Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media, p. 195

10-25-2005, 05:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
Pragma I am Winter Born Location: Alexandria, VA	That's around normal - my system tends to run in that range and there's no need to worry. __________________ Eat antimatter, Posleen-boy!

10-25-2005, 05:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
cyrnel Adequate Location: In my angry-dome.	Downright chilly. It's unusual to only have a 10*f temp differential between case and CPU unless it's idling after the case warmed up. Try it while crunching something. Prime95, or folding.stanford.edu tasks work well. Idle temps don't tell you about headroom. Also, to know what's "hot" you have to know which processor down to the core. There are many specs for the various processors. Still curious what program you're using to monitor temps. What's the room temp? __________________ There are a vast number of people who are uninformed and heavily propagandized, but fundamentally decent. The propaganda that inundates them is effective when unchallenged, but much of it goes only skin deep. If they can be brought to raise questions and apply their decent instincts and basic intelligence, many people quickly escape the confines of the doctrinal system and are willing to do something to help others who are really suffering and oppressed." -Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media, p. 195

10-24-2005, 09:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	80. . .what? celcius or fahrenheit? FYI if it's 80 kelvin it's way too damn hot

10-25-2005, 05:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
pokethebody Banned	well latly its ben at 90 F for the case and about 100 F for the cpu and i dont think thats hot is it??

10-25-2005, 06:58 PM	#9 (permalink)
soccerchamp76 Go Cardinals Location: St. Louis/Cincinnati	My processor generally runs at 328K normally. Under load, it goes to about 338K. I have even reached 343K, after running my Norton anti-virus scan, Ad-aware scan, Spybot scan, RegistryMechanic simultaneaously. __________________ Brian Griffin: Ah, if my memory serves me, this is the physics department. Chris Griffin: That would explain all the gravity.

10-25-2005, 07:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
soccerchamp76 Go Cardinals Location: St. Louis/Cincinnati	At 353K, you should be VERY worried about the condition of your processor as it might be damaged. Mine reached 353K when I was messing around with switching a different heatsink on and didn't apply enough thermal paste. It got up to 358K before thermal throttling kicked on and shutdown the computer to prevent damage. P.S. I don't know why I decided to use the Kelvin temperature scale. For those who do not know: xºC + 273 = x K. There are no degree marks in Kelvin, just the K. 0K is the smallest possible temperature value, nothing can get colder than that, at zero kelvin, all molecular motion stops. Quick physics/chemistry fun fact there. __________________ Brian Griffin: Ah, if my memory serves me, this is the physics department. Chris Griffin: That would explain all the gravity.

10-31-2005, 05:27 AM	#13 (permalink)
Catdaddy33 Psycho Location: TN	Intel P4 has a max temp of 70C. I had overheating probs a week or so ago, and cleaned the dust from the fan and heatsink and dropped the temp 10-15C. I run around 45-50 after extending playing...

11-05-2005, 07:37 PM	#14 (permalink)
tornadored Tilted Location: OH-IO	All, I'm having a similar problem. I recently upgraded my PC from a P4 1.9ghz to a P4 3.0ghz, replacing the motherboard, cpu, a new power supply (Antec TruPower 2.0) and an additional hard drive. I also have exhaust fans in the case. One is in the front and draws cool air in, while two are in the back and are blowing hot air out. However, I installed the desktop utilities application today and I'm startled. Processor Zone Temperature: 144F System Zone 1 Temperature: 111F System Zone 2 Temperature: 99F Can anyone provide any remedies to this situation. I know these temperatures are not dangerous, but they are on the high side of normal. Thanks!

11-05-2005, 07:47 PM	#15 (permalink)
cyrnel Adequate Location: In my angry-dome.	Tornadored, P4's are hot but you're right, that is a little high. Is that idle or working temp? Case open or closed? Any cables in the way of cpu airflow? New heatsink/fan? Clean? Intel or aftermarket? Designed for recent P4's? Is the fan running at full speed? If it's connected to a temp-controlled power connector on the MB, can you change the trigger temps in the BIOS? If you installed it yourself, how much thermal compound did you use? Less is better. __________________ There are a vast number of people who are uninformed and heavily propagandized, but fundamentally decent. The propaganda that inundates them is effective when unchallenged, but much of it goes only skin deep. If they can be brought to raise questions and apply their decent instincts and basic intelligence, many people quickly escape the confines of the doctrinal system and are willing to do something to help others who are really suffering and oppressed." -Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media, p. 195

11-05-2005, 07:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
tornadored Tilted Location: OH-IO	Tornadored, P4's are hot but you're right, that is a little high. Is that idle or working temp? Idle and working, it does not vary much. Case open or closed? Any cables in the way of cpu airflow? Case closed, I worked today on organizing the cables to keep them away from the cpu. New heatsink/fan? Clean? Intel or aftermarket? Designed for recent P4's? All new, Intel heatsink and fan. Is the fan running at full speed? If it's connected to a temp-controlled power connector on the MB, can you change the trigger temps in the BIOS? I'll check it out. If you installed it yourself, how much thermal compound did you use? Less is better. None, the chip did not come with any.

11-05-2005, 08:37 PM	#18 (permalink)
tornadored Tilted Location: OH-IO	775.... The load is not much, I had the software setup as default earlier, and I would just open up IE and get a warning about overheating. Since then I have increased the threshold a few degrees. Nothing under the HSF, just checked it out. However I did unplug the fans from the PS controlled plugs and put them on the standard connections. The fans are running faster now. Here is what I have: Processor Zone: 140F Sys Zone 1: 108F Sys Zone 2: 90F A bit better...

11-05-2005, 10:05 PM	#19 (permalink)
cyrnel Adequate Location: In my angry-dome.	775...? The temp limits vary by a few degrees depending on specific model. Here's a good specification summary with max temps: http://users.erols.com/chare/elec.htm Search for "P4-xxx" where xxx is 571, 670, etc. I'd want to know working temps. Fire up the http://folding.stanford.edu/download.html client for a couple minutes. You mentioned there wasn't anything under the HSF. There should have been a small square pad of conductive material. It's protected until you remove the heatsink from the packaging. If you don't have either a pad or grease, or if something got stuck to the pad, then that would cause high temps. __________________ There are a vast number of people who are uninformed and heavily propagandized, but fundamentally decent. The propaganda that inundates them is effective when unchallenged, but much of it goes only skin deep. If they can be brought to raise questions and apply their decent instincts and basic intelligence, many people quickly escape the confines of the doctrinal system and are willing to do something to help others who are really suffering and oppressed." -Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media, p. 195

11-06-2005, 09:11 AM	#20 (permalink)
tornadored Tilted Location: OH-IO	Intel Pentium 4 531 800MHz FSB LGA 775 EM64T Looks like my max temp is 67.7° C (153.86° F) As I type this I am running at 140°F. Under the HSF, I remember installing the processor, and then setting the HSF over top of it. Do not recall messing with anything. Then again, it was last week, and lately I haven't remember what I've done yesterday. I'll do some folding and post some numbers. Thanks!

11-06-2005, 09:32 AM	#21 (permalink)
tornadored Tilted Location: OH-IO	Crunching at 169° F.