networking question - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

R3d · 01-24-2005, 08:15 PM

k i've been racking my brain trying to figure this shit out.. im trying to network 2 comps.. both using xp-pro and connected to a router.. ive set both hdd's as shared.. but i just cant seem to get access to the other computer

basically what i want to do is use the other comps hdd space for misc files iso's and what not.. just back up shit more or less.. theres only 5gb's used on that comps 80gb drive.. so i wanna throw some stuff on there..

what do i need to do to get this to work right?..

Hardknock · 01-24-2005, 10:40 PM

Do you have a 3rd party firewall that's not configured?

Dilbert1234567 · 01-24-2005, 10:52 PM

xp with sp 2 has a firewall built in, that could be it.

what problems are you having, where is it not working.

R3d · 01-25-2005, 06:52 AM

when im trying to access the 2nd computer from mine, it keeps coming up saying it cant connect to it

dksuddeth · 01-25-2005, 06:53 AM

instead of sharing the drives, create a folder on each drive and share that out with full control for everybody. since its a workgroup instead of a client/domain, you should probably map the folder via IP address. I've always gotten this to work on my home network.

If its still not working, let me know some more specifics and i'll try to help you out.

glytch · 01-25-2005, 07:37 AM

Do you have both of the computers in the same workgroup? The easiest way is to run the network setup wizard built-in to Windows.

cyrnel · 01-25-2005, 07:40 AM

How are you trying to "access the 2nd computer"? What are you typing or clicking, where? More information please.

vox_rox · 01-25-2005, 08:14 AM

Firstly, make sure both computers are on the same workgroup, and that both have file sharing enabled. This can all be done in the network control panel.

Secondly, someone else already mentioned sharing a directory rather than the entire drive, and that is KEY! DO NOT share your C drive, even behind a firewall, because you are creating a huge security hole that way.

Secondly, make sure that the shared folder on each computer have the right permssions so that you need a password to access them.

Even trhough a firewall, this type of authentication on a local network should work, and provide you with good security. If you're still having problems, try visiting M$ knowlege base, they have tons of How-To's there.

Good Luck, and think security FIRST!

Peace,

Pierre

R3d · 01-25-2005, 08:37 AM

great thanks alot guys.. i'll try this later tonight

Meditrina · 06-16-2005, 11:41 AM

I am wondering, would this help me be able to share my printer between 2 computers? I have a desktop with a router and the printer and a laptop with the wireless internet connection. I would like to be able to share the printer somehow. I hope I am explaining this right.

zero2 · 06-16-2005, 03:10 PM

1) Assign a static ipaddress (My Network Places-->View Connections-->Right click on Connection, select properties, then TCP/IP, then property button.) Acceptable ipaddress are 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 or 10.0.0.0 - 10.10.255.255 or 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255
2) Give your computer a special name, and assign it to a workgroup. (Right Click My Computer, select propeties. Select Change, rename comp. name, and assign a workgroup name)
3)Create user accounts & passwords (Goto Adminstrative Tools, then Computer Management, then click on local users and groups, in the right window pane right click and select new user)
4)Try sharing a folder, by right clicking a folder, and clicking on Sharing & Security.
5)Check for connectivity, try pinging the other computer. ping {insert computer name or ip address}
6)If it replies, goto My Network Places, followed by Workgroup, then look for both computers in the same workgroup.
7)If the computer doesn't reply, double check the settings you used before, such as ipaddress, subnet mask, and gateway. Otherwise, try pinging the router (default gateway). If nothing happens, make sure you have installed drivers for the ethernet card, go to device manager to check. Or if they are installed try replacing the cable, and try again, or replace the ethernet card and try again.

catback · 06-19-2005, 11:52 AM

firewalls, passwords, biometric scans, people are going paranoid about securing their computers and networks at home. I can't think of one time where the average joe nobody's computer was hacked because he didn't password protect his network shares. Granted security has it's use and purpose but nowadays people are going overboard. When you only have some pictures and account numbers stored on your computer you don't need NSA grade security to protect it. Odds are your not a prime target of a hacker anyway. There is a reason why bank robbers don't rob newspaper stands.

urbandev · 06-20-2005, 12:23 AM

My favorite is the guy who buys a wireless router with his new laptop, turns both on, gets online, and never puts another thought into it...until i drive by and change his router setting to disable internet and set the FCC and language setting to japaneese

guthmund · 06-20-2005, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catback

firewalls, passwords, biometric scans, people are going paranoid about securing their computers and networks at home. I can't think of one time where the average joe nobody's computer was hacked because he didn't password protect his network shares. Granted security has it's use and purpose but nowadays people are going overboard. When you only have some pictures and account numbers stored on your computer you don't need NSA grade security to protect it. Odds are your not a prime target of a hacker anyway. There is a reason why bank robbers don't rob newspaper stands.

But if the newspaper stand's register was left open don't you think the bank robbers would at least look around a bit?

They might not target you specifically, but they will stop by to see what's what if you leave the front door wide open.

But if you need more...

A link to an article on Securityfocus.com

Quote:

This week, Internet security firm Netcraft published an advisory warning that the number of phishing attacks aimed at smaller financial institutions has jumped significantly over the past few weeks. Users of the company's anti-phishing toolbar reported six new attacks in a 24-hour period earlier in the week.

"Phishers are catching on to the fact that it is easier to target small places," said Paul Mutton, Internet services developer for the firm. "It seems that phishers are diversifying."

Phishing scams use bulk e-mail messages to target a large number of users. The messages appear to come from a legitimate financial institution or business. A common version of the scam informs the recipient that an account has been stolen or a charge placed on their credit card. The potential victim is asked to log into a site to verify their identity, but in reality the fraudsters hope to net the person's financial account information.

While larger banks and e-commerce sites have had to deal with the problem of online e-mail scams targeting their customers--and even supermarkets have had the dubious honor of gaining the attention of fraudsters--for smaller banks and credit unions, it's still a relatively new experience.

The scourge of phishing has drawn the ire of not just customers, but of online vigilantes as well, some which deface the fake bank Web sites created by phishers.

The Honeynet Project, which places heavily monitored servers on the Internet to watch attackers' tactics, has seen an increase in phishing aimed at the clients of smaller financial institutions, said Thorsten Holz, a researcher with the German Honeynet Project.

"That's the direction that phishers are heading," he said. "Nowadays, many people know that phishers are hunting for Ebay and Paypal accounts, but many don't know that banks are a target."

Students and staff at the University of Michigan learned the lesson last fall, when an e-mail message purportedly from a local bank lured several people into giving up their user names and passwords, said Linda Green, a spokeswoman for the University of Michigan's Information Technology Central Services department.

In May, when the credit union that serves the university was targeted with a similar attack, the ITCS staff sent out warnings, advised the credit union of the issue and convinced the local paper to cover the story. In the end, no one fell prey to the attack, nor when a third e-mail popped up earlier this month, Green said.

"We feel that we have dodged the bullet this time," she said.

Last month, the customers at more than 30 credit unions became targets of phishing scams, according to data collected by the Antiphishing Working Group, an industry consortium that tracks the problem.

"Many of those attacks appear to be part of a toolkit or the same group of people, because they use the same techniques and wording, merely changing the target names," said Dan Hubbard, a member of the AWG's steering committee and the senior director for security at Internet threat monitor Websense.

May's burst of activity encompassed the most attacks yet aimed at smaller financial institutions, according to the AWG's data. Hubbard is not sure what is behind the increase, however. The countermeasures of larger banks may have diminished returns for the attackers, or the fraudsters may be able to transfer more money from credit unions before they catch on, he said.

"It is so economical and inexpensive to do this, perhaps they are experimenting to see what works best," Hubbard said.

Netcraft's Mutton believes that the customers of smaller banks and credit unions are more trusting and, thus, easier targets for phishing scams.

"You can send fewer e-mails and get a better response rate," he said.

University credit unions are particularly attractive targets, Mutton added, because attackers can easily generate a pool of likely customers by finding the e-mail addresses of current students.

The University of Michigan's Green agreed, saying that keeping students aware of the issues is somewhat difficult, because every year a new batch of freshmen enter the colleges and have to be taught to be careful,

"We have 6,000 new students every fall," she said. "You don't ever get done educating them."

guthmund · 06-20-2005, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportswidow05

I am wondering, would this help me be able to share my printer between 2 computers? I have a desktop with a router and the printer and a laptop with the wireless internet connection. I would like to be able to share the printer somehow. I hope I am explaining this right.

Oops, missed this..

Both computers share the router with no problems? I mean, you can get on the internet with both computers without changing anything around?

If that's the case, it makes it a bit easier. On the laptop, which I'm assuming is the computer without the printer, click Start---> control panel, find the printer option and add a new printer. The wizard should run through it without any problems, just play around with it a bit until you find the printer that is connected to the other computer.

Hope it helps a bit...

zero2 · 06-21-2005, 06:44 PM

I think a little bit of paranoia is a good thing.

Especially when we have people creating such crap as viruses, trojans, worms. Neither of these take into consideration who the hell you are. There's no explanation why these idiots create, these types of things, other than they can, and don't give a 5h*t.

Then there's Spyware, the only difference is that we know why they are created, because Advertisers can sell their junky product. Some spyware, known as malware, can mimic keyloggers, and record your keystrokes, passwords, and credit card numbers. Some hijack are browsers, and instant ka-ching for the spyware author and affiliate sites.

Paranoia, is a good thing, because you can at least prevent becoming a victim.

@sportswidow05: You might invest in a print server, however, your printer needs an ethernet port for this work. If you don't have one, I've heard there might some sort of usb device you can hook up to your printer if it supports usb. Once you connect your printer to the print server, you need to assign your printer an ipaddress, then do the same in windows under the printer's property. This will allow you to share your printer, between two computers, and you don't even need the host computer, where the printer is connected to, to be on.

Here's an example of one, I'm not recommending this one, this is only to show what one look like:
http://www.linksys.com/products/prod...id=37&prid=659

01-24-2005, 08:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
R3d Insane Location: Sask, Canada	networking question k i've been racking my brain trying to figure this shit out.. im trying to network 2 comps.. both using xp-pro and connected to a router.. ive set both hdd's as shared.. but i just cant seem to get access to the other computer basically what i want to do is use the other comps hdd space for misc files iso's and what not.. just back up shit more or less.. theres only 5gb's used on that comps 80gb drive.. so i wanna throw some stuff on there.. what do i need to do to get this to work right?..

01-24-2005, 10:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
Dilbert1234567 Devils Cabana Boy Location: Central Coast CA	xp with sp 2 has a firewall built in, that could be it. what problems are you having, where is it not working. __________________ Donate Blood! "Love is not finding the perfect person, but learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." -Sam Keen

01-25-2005, 06:53 AM	#5 (permalink)
dksuddeth Junkie Location: bedford, tx	instead of sharing the drives, create a folder on each drive and share that out with full control for everybody. since its a workgroup instead of a client/domain, you should probably map the folder via IP address. I've always gotten this to work on my home network. If its still not working, let me know some more specifics and i'll try to help you out. __________________ "no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."

01-25-2005, 07:37 AM	#6 (permalink)
glytch I am not permanent. Location: Tennessee	Do you have both of the computers in the same workgroup? The easiest way is to run the network setup wizard built-in to Windows. __________________ If you're flammable and have legs, you are never blocking a fire exit. - Mitch Hedberg

01-25-2005, 08:14 AM	#8 (permalink)
vox_rox Psycho Location: Comfy Little Bungalow	Firstly, make sure both computers are on the same workgroup, and that both have file sharing enabled. This can all be done in the network control panel. Secondly, someone else already mentioned sharing a directory rather than the entire drive, and that is KEY! DO NOT share your C drive, even behind a firewall, because you are creating a huge security hole that way. Secondly, make sure that the shared folder on each computer have the right permssions so that you need a password to access them. Even trhough a firewall, this type of authentication on a local network should work, and provide you with good security. If you're still having problems, try visiting M$ knowlege base, they have tons of How-To's there. Good Luck, and think security FIRST! Peace, Pierre __________________ --- There is no such thing as strong coffee - only weak people. ---

01-24-2005, 10:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
Hardknock Republican slayer Location: WA	Do you have a 3rd party firewall that's not configured?

01-25-2005, 06:52 AM	#4 (permalink)
R3d Insane Location: Sask, Canada	when im trying to access the 2nd computer from mine, it keeps coming up saying it cant connect to it

01-25-2005, 07:40 AM	#7 (permalink)
cyrnel Adequate Location: In my angry-dome.	How are you trying to "access the 2nd computer"? What are you typing or clicking, where? More information please.

01-25-2005, 08:37 AM	#9 (permalink)
R3d Insane Location: Sask, Canada	great thanks alot guys.. i'll try this later tonight

06-16-2005, 11:41 AM	#10 (permalink)
Meditrina Junkie Location: LI,NY	I am wondering, would this help me be able to share my printer between 2 computers? I have a desktop with a router and the printer and a laptop with the wireless internet connection. I would like to be able to share the printer somehow. I hope I am explaining this right. __________________ "Toughness is in the soul and spirit, not in muscles." ~Alex Karras

06-16-2005, 03:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
zero2 Junkie	1) Assign a static ipaddress (My Network Places-->View Connections-->Right click on Connection, select properties, then TCP/IP, then property button.) Acceptable ipaddress are 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 or 10.0.0.0 - 10.10.255.255 or 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 2) Give your computer a special name, and assign it to a workgroup. (Right Click My Computer, select propeties. Select Change, rename comp. name, and assign a workgroup name) 3)Create user accounts & passwords (Goto Adminstrative Tools, then Computer Management, then click on local users and groups, in the right window pane right click and select new user) 4)Try sharing a folder, by right clicking a folder, and clicking on Sharing & Security. 5)Check for connectivity, try pinging the other computer. ping {insert computer name or ip address} 6)If it replies, goto My Network Places, followed by Workgroup, then look for both computers in the same workgroup. 7)If the computer doesn't reply, double check the settings you used before, such as ipaddress, subnet mask, and gateway. Otherwise, try pinging the router (default gateway). If nothing happens, make sure you have installed drivers for the ethernet card, go to device manager to check. Or if they are installed try replacing the cable, and try again, or replace the ethernet card and try again.

06-19-2005, 11:52 AM	#12 (permalink)
catback Psycho Location: North America	firewalls, passwords, biometric scans, people are going paranoid about securing their computers and networks at home. I can't think of one time where the average joe nobody's computer was hacked because he didn't password protect his network shares. Granted security has it's use and purpose but nowadays people are going overboard. When you only have some pictures and account numbers stored on your computer you don't need NSA grade security to protect it. Odds are your not a prime target of a hacker anyway. There is a reason why bank robbers don't rob newspaper stands.

06-20-2005, 12:23 AM	#13 (permalink)
urbandev Insane Location: Dayton, NV	My favorite is the guy who buys a wireless router with his new laptop, turns both on, gets online, and never puts another thought into it...until i drive by and change his router setting to disable internet and set the FCC and language setting to japaneese __________________ Raoul Duke: "I wouldn't dare go to sleep with you wandering around with a head full of acid, wanting to slice me up with that goddamn knife." Dr. Gonzo: "Who said anything about slicing you up, man. I just wanted to cut a little Z in your forehead."

06-21-2005, 06:44 PM	#16 (permalink)
zero2 Junkie	I think a little bit of paranoia is a good thing. Especially when we have people creating such crap as viruses, trojans, worms. Neither of these take into consideration who the hell you are. There's no explanation why these idiots create, these types of things, other than they can, and don't give a 5h*t. Then there's Spyware, the only difference is that we know why they are created, because Advertisers can sell their junky product. Some spyware, known as malware, can mimic keyloggers, and record your keystrokes, passwords, and credit card numbers. Some hijack are browsers, and instant ka-ching for the spyware author and affiliate sites. Paranoia, is a good thing, because you can at least prevent becoming a victim. @sportswidow05: You might invest in a print server, however, your printer needs an ethernet port for this work. If you don't have one, I've heard there might some sort of usb device you can hook up to your printer if it supports usb. Once you connect your printer to the print server, you need to assign your printer an ipaddress, then do the same in windows under the printer's property. This will allow you to share your printer, between two computers, and you don't even need the host computer, where the printer is connected to, to be on. Here's an example of one, I'm not recommending this one, this is only to show what one look like: http://www.linksys.com/products/prod...id=37&prid=659