brandon11983

Since I have switched over to Mac, I have reflected a lot upon the whole anti-Mac fiasco. I am extremely fluent in XP, and it has allowed me to really see what OS X does better than XP. I would like to hear what you all have to say. What do you not like about the Macintosh platform? What needs do you have that a Mac cannot address? I would like intelligent answers only please. Save us all the "because they suck" shit. I reserve the right to interject with rebuttals as appropriate.

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blahblah454

I honestly like macs better then PC so I am not sure what you are talking about. I do not currently own a Mac but I would like one. The only things holding me back from getting one is my small amount of funds, and the fact that I am really not that capable with handling Mac operating systems(but I'm sure this would come to me very fast if I owned one)

docbungle

Not as modifiable. I can't "build" a Mac to suit my needs.

A lot of software I find necessary does not operate on Mac.

Not much of a gaming machine; the amount of games made for Mac doesn't compare favorably with my pc.

But Macs are definitely cool. I'd love to have one, but for the price.

If I didn't know how to build my own machine, I'd probably get a Mac.

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brandon11983

docbungle: tell me why you feel the need to build a machine. How would an off the shelf Mac not do what you need it to? And what software (aside from games) do you need for PC that is not available on Mac? I suppose I should have said to exclude the whole gaming thing in my original post.

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Blistex

Macs are for people who use 3 programs exclusively.

What macs are designed to do, they do very well. Video Editing, publishing, 3D Modelling. Most other stuff they suck at, or don't have the needed support.

Look at how many programs are avaliable for XP, and look at the number for mac. . .

Also, if 2 mouse buttons are entirely too much for you to handle then get a Mac.

gcbrowni

I'm a network engineer.

I used an apple a little in College, 15 years ago, and have been a die-hard Windows user since then, mostly for the games support. Since the advent of XML, I've been using IE because it supports cline-tside XSL and other advanced features more than other browsers. My co-workers mosltly switched to Mac's when OX-S came out. I switched over four days ago on Monday.

I don't know how I ever lived without it. I'v already been able to do things I've never been able to do in XP. I've been able to run 400mbit iperf tests to my desktops (XP can't handle that kind of rate) to research and fix backbone latency and loss problems. I've been able to use my desktop as my development platform for my server-side XSLT, XML, and perl monitoring applications. It has the three basic functions I need: e-mail, web, and ssh, but it can also serve as a known-good platform for network testing and as a development platform for my perl and XSLT apps.

That being said, I don't see how I could ever get one for home. My work machine cost several thousand dollers. My home machine cost several hunderd (for an AMD64 no less.) My needs at home center around ssh, e-mail, web, and ... games .

The Mac can't compete in games or cost.

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Lasereth

1. Macs are way too expensive. I can build a PC for $1000 that would cost $2000 or more for a Mac of the same performance.

2. I want a right-click. When using MacOS, every single time I want to modify a file or open a file with a different app or see file info I can't unless I do 3 or 4 absolutely useless steps. Why should I have to go through 4 windows to choose a different app to open a file? With a PC, I right-click and choose the program. Simple. I see file info with a right click. I copy and paste with a right click. Simply put, right-click adds more functionality to an OS.

3. Software. I use a ton of programs on PC. Not all of those programs are on Mac, and frankly, I need them. Why use an OS that has limited software?

4. Gaming. I'm a hardcore PC gamer (console too though!), and Macs are severely limited in their gaming libraries. Oh, and I CAN'T RIGHT CLICK TO JUMP IN BATTLEFIELD!!! Playing a game without right click would be like playing a game with one arm. Not to mention a Mac that will play the games at the settings I want would cost more than my car.

5. I've never used a Mac that I can navigate quickly. Like I said about the right-click, PCs and their dreaded Windows are simply more easy to navigate if you're a hardcore PC dork. I can't blaze through tasks on a Mac like I do on a PC. This is for many reasons: no right click; the fundamental basis of the OS is different from Windows (and inefficient if ya ask me)...you gotta use the Master-Bar (or whatever it's called) at the top to do everything. Using a PC with Windows, the taskbar and application options are second-hand to the mouse and keyboard. It seems that the mouse and keyboard on a Mac is second-hand with the Master-Bar being the primary input device. This slows down the ability of Macs when compared to PCs.

6. I have yet to use a fast Mac. I don't mean hardware fast, I mean OS fast. Everything I do in MacOS is sluggish and lagged. When I try to turn the volume down, I have to "grab" the bar with the mouse twice because the lag prevents it from going to 0. When I open two browsers at once it basically has a brain aneurism. These are really expensive Macs I've used as well...Macs capable of running an OS smoothly. When a Mac of over 1 GHz CPU speed is running slower than my K6-2 at 400 MHz with Windows, something is wrong.


Simply enough, I've used a PC extensively and a Mac extensively and I've simply been limited in how I use the OS on a Mac. The OS isn't as polished as Windows and is very inefficient in the way simple navigation is handled. There are useless steps throughout the entire OS that Windows bypasses with a really easy solution.

Now, some Mac advantages:

1. They look cool. Really cool. I like the LCDs that you can turn wherever ya want.

2. That's about it!

-Lasereth

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vanblah

http://www.noapologiespress.com/pseudo/Mac.html

That's why.

Church

Just buy a regular USB mouse. That opens up the right-clicking cababilities.

Yes, I do agree with this. But like I previously said, just pick up a regual two button USB mouse. There are a lot of games for Mac, but they are just really hard to find.

Try a G4. You won't notice any of that. Plus, the volume control is built right into the keyboard.


All in all, I do agree that Macs are different than PCs, but once you get to know how to use the new OS X, it gets much easier. There are some features that a Mac can do that a PC can't, and visa versa.

But for what I use it for, it works a hell of a lot better than PC. I'm in advertising, and I've noticed a considerable speed advantage on a mac in all Adobe programs. For what you were doing, a mac was not needed.

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Church

That didn't really explain why you like/dislike Macs. It just spoke about brand marketing.

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cartmen34

My answers are similar to others.
-You cannot build a Mac to suit your needs / no 3rd party hardware
-Available software is, well, lacking...severly lacking.
-This may be simple...but I despised using my Mac for one simple reason...when you click on a file the file name becomes "live"....now hit escape....THE F*&$^#G FILE NAME IS GONE!! wtf??? ESC is supposed to be a nevermind, hold it, stop, nevermind what you are doing, I changed my mind key....NOT ERASE!

The one thing I will say for Macs is this... having a multiple OS's on a multi partition drive....SOOOOO much easier than a PC!

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Holo

I admire the architecture and I wish there could be PPC systems that aren't Apples and there was a windows version for it (NT4 did have a PPC version but not since). My anti-mac sentiments start with

Price

They're like 2x as much as an x86 system that is comparably powerful. I don't need pretty...I need functional. Now the Apple's arch is superior than x86 instruction wise, but I'm not gonna pay for it when I can get something the same basic power for as low as half the price.

Lack of Hw control

You can upgrade your RAM, cards, and drives but that's about it. I want to be able to build a system from scratch and save even more money than buying a prefab Dell and get a better system as well for my money.

Pretty is ugly


I don't need my PC to be sexy. I like it to be HARD looking, or at least have my case serve it's purpose. I don't need a computer that looks like I got it from Pottery Barn. I'm not paying for the decor either. Macs look too damn decor/fruity for me.





Apps/games

This has been said to death, but I want to be able to play any PC game my system can handle on the market. Macs could handle most games, alas the arch isn't the same and devs don't bother porting 90% of games to the Mac. If it weren't for games I would have converted to Linux two years ago. Also your choice of apps is very few and far between compared to Windows and even Linux from what I've seen.



so in summation; I respect the Mac's architecture. They're too pricey. pretty and incompatible with most software I wish to run. Hence I wont' buy one.

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Bigwahzoo

I agree that Macs are better in some respects but for an average user a PC is just a better value. Most people are not going to be using photoshop or other obscure programs that are optimized for Macs. I believe most people use their computers to check email, browse the web and write word documents. It is only on a PC that you can achieve these goals for $300 or $400. I went to apple's website and it appears that the most basic computer will cost $1000 this just seems to be too expensive for the average home user.

vanblah

I really don't prefer Mac Vs. PC Vs. other OSes ... they each have their strong points and their weaknesses. I don't believe that any one of them is better than the other, generally speaking. Except when it comes to hardware and THEN Mac and PC are pretty much the same in my book. If you want to talk Sun/Solaris that's a different story.

The problem I have with this issue is that <i>most</i> people try to reduce it to black and white. It's not. It really comes down to what tool you are most comfortable with to do the job. Someone brought up video editing. I think the playing field is level there as far as Mac and PC goes; but if you're talking about ultra-high-end video editing and animation you'd want to look at *nix OSes.

I use PC for multi-track audio. Industry standard is Mac version of Pro-Tools. The reason I use PC? It's more affordable. I know <i>exactly</i> what hardware I'm using. I've built what I believe to be a machine that is comparable to a pro-sumer level Pro-Tools rig for a third of the cost. But if someone wanted to <i>give</i> me a real Pro-Tools rig I'd certainly appreciate it.

So I posted that link because I believe that's what this argument is really about ... brand loyalty.

Redjake

I want to be different. So I build my own computer. And the only thing you can build to my specifications is a PC. I can't build a custom Mac.

If I want to put 680 GB of hard drive space in a Mac, I am screwed. If I want to get 10,400 marks on 3dmark2003 on a Mac, I am screwed. If I want to use the programs I use daily on a PC with a Mac, I am screwed.


I realize Macs are aesthetically cool, and the OS is pretty stable, but it's just not what I want. That's why I dislike Macintosh. They are too expensive for something with less functionality than a PC.

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brandon11983

I have seen a lot of complaints so far about the lack of software, could some chime back in and tell me what software you need that is not available for Mac? I think the whole "look at how many apps there are for Mac and then how many are for PC" argument doesn't hold much water anymore. I believe there are over 6,000 applications available for OS X.

Lasareth:
2. Your right click equivalent is the Control-Click, it will give you a similar sub-menu with one option being "Get Info" or Properties on XP. Clicking "Open With" will give you another sub-menu that will allow you to open the file with the program of your choice. This can also be done from the "Get Info" screen and you have the option of designating a program for the file to always open with... and it actually works.

3. A routine sweep of an Apple Store will show you all the software you will ever need. It did for me.

4. I am not a gamer, so I won't even attempt to defend that. I know that Mac is not a gaming machine.

5. You mentioned that you cannot navigate through a Mac quickly. I will state again that I am extremely flutent in XP, and I honestly say that OS X is easier to get around in. Again, your right click is now a Control-Click, OS X nav is somewhat keyboard focused. Control-Click for submenus, Command-Click to open a link in a new tab in Safari... and so on.

6. I have a 1.25 Ghz PowerBook G4 and I find it to be plenty fast for the apps I use it for (Photoshop, Final Cut, DVD Studio Pro...)

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Holo

I read in an article some time back when a ZDnet journalist switched to Mac
for a month right after OSX came out and he said you *can* use a 3 button mouse so you can have right click if you wanted to. Just thought I'd let you know.


I could prolly find replacement apps for most of my stuff, but I *need* Newsbin Pro. NOTHING comes even close to it's power. I've gotten extremely attached to the Proxomitron too. Most P2P apps are easy to set and use on windows, but I hear Mac guys saying they have trouble finding good clients.

I have run OSX on my PC using PearPC. It was slow of course on this old 1.8Ghz but I found it easy enough to navigate. I like the fact you can use *nix apps on it with Fink but the reasons above prevent me from being a Mac convert any time soon.

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Redjake

It all boils down to price and upgradeability.

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powerclown

Can't help you here...as I JUST BOUGHT A MAC!
A lovely little G4/400 (Sawtooth) that I will upgrade, then grow old with. This thing will be up-to-speed for around $700 total.

Pragma

The software issue is slightly mitigated by the fact that OSX lets Mac users run UNIX-based software, but the gaming issue is a serious hold-up for me. I play video games. Lots of video games. I can't do that on a Mac.

I build computers religiously. Why? Because it's fun. I thorougly enjoy being elbows-deep in the guts of a case, building something to play with. I can't do that with a Mac. I don't want my case to look like a fruit-basket or a modern art sculpture. I want it to look like a functional chunk of metal.

I have used Macs frequently, but overall I prefer the x86 architecture. OSX doesn't have anything to offer me - I run FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and Fedora on some of my other computers - in addition to my XP gaming rig. Having a unified hardware platform among my computers makes life very easy.

Willravel

It's a myth that Macs are more expensive. An eMac with a 1.25 GHz G4 processor, 17-inch flat CRT display, 40GB Ultra ATA drive, 256MB of 333 MHz DDR SDRAM, combo drive (cd burn/dvd read), ATI Radeon 9200 graphics w/32 DDR video memory, two firewire 400 ports and three USB 2.0 ports, 10/100 BASE-T Ethernet and 56K V.92 modem, and AirPort and bluetoothe ready for $799 is one hell of a deal. And I didn't even have to build it.

The response to this above bears repeating, as it is also a myth. Just because a single button mouse comes with the computer, does not mean
you cannot simply use a three button mouse in it's place. I can right click, left click, scroll, and go forward and back pages on my mouse on my mac with OSX.

You mean like MS Word? You have to present a list for a claim like this. What are the top 10 programs you use on windows? I'll show you mac versions that are on the same level and can communicate with windows.

I sure love playing Unreal on my computer. I love Warcraft. I love a lot of games that my video card does not have troubles with. Actually the list of games not available for mac is much shorter than the list of games available. It's roughly 1/12 the size. An if my computer costs more than your car, you must be driving something made by mercury before 1984.

We don't need to revisit your right click mistake. Master bar is at bottom on PC, and top on Mac. We also have the dock, if you are using OSX.

This is unfounded. Of course there are fast Macs, just as there are fast PCs. If you grabbed the bar on the volume, you are using OS 9.2 or older. Get a new machine and try it.


You have not used Macs extensively. I am not sure you have used Pcs extensively.

This is a wonderful exapmle of bias and lack of information. I am sorry you have chosen to have an unfounded bias towards Mac, but there's no need to spread it.

Redjake

haha, your post may be cool and everything and explanatory, but I assure you Lasereth has used PCs and Macs quite extensively in fact, I'd wager he knows quite a bit more than you ever imagine about PCs......and enough to make an educated decision about Macs


the poster asked why we hate macs, and he responded......this isn't a tennis match. those reasons he listed are the reason he doesn't like macs, no reason to get shitty about it

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bendsley

I think the only real drawback I have about macs are the price. They are a bit more pricey, but the availability of manufacturers is also very limited. How many companies do you know that produce Macs vs. how many companies produce x86 architecture PC's.

I do like Macs quite a bit though as I'm trying to convince the company I work for to get a dual G5 machine(that would just be sweet).

I do agree that Macs are limited somewhat in the software arena, except software such as graphics, desktop publishing and web design. I also think there is a lot more innovation that goes into Macs as opposed to their PC counterparts.

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Lasereth

If ya take a look at the thread title, it's why do YOU hate Macintosh's, not "why do Macs suck." I gave the reasons why *I* don't like them, not the reason why they're bad systems. I still believe everything I said to a full extent. And that Mac you listed can be built for $300 on a PC. What a ripoff. $800 is an absurd amount for such a crappy system. $800 will build a PC 3 or 4 times more powerful than the "system" you listed.

Ok, so you can right-click in OSX with a new mouse. Macs still come with the single click mouse by default...they're made for it. Right-click is a "new feature" with OSX. Windows has had right clicking since the early nineties. Earlier versions of MacOS are still hindered by this. Not to mention PC's come with a right-click capable mouse and Macs have to have an "extra option" to get something a PC comes with by default. It's simply a downside that most of the Macs on the market have no right-click on the mouse.

I want MS Office on my Mac. Not the idiot Mac-version, either. I want every option the PC version has. The Mac versions I've used of Office are dumbed down with extra windows that can be eliminated with an OS...like Windows.

Macs do have a large software base, but it's not as large as PC's. That's a problem no matter what. I can't stand having a limited software base.

I know about OSX, I use it at work everyday. The dock does make matters slightly easier, but the stupid MasterBar at the top simply hinders the speed of navigating MacOS. About the volume bar...I did this on OSX. All of my opinions are founded on OSX.

Oh, and keep the "I'm not sure you have used PCs extensively" comments to yourself. I displayed my opinion without bashing and with a knowledgable basis. If you don't think I've used PCs extensively, try me. I can throw-down with some PC talk. Degrading comments about other posters will only get ya a ticket out of this forum...I suggest an attitude improvement on isle B.

You can argue that I'm biased, but that's what this thread is about. It asks why WE don't like Macs, not why they're bad systems. I gave my opinions about every Mac I've used. I told why I don't like them.

-Lasereth

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Willravel

If he is not aware of something as simple as mouse ability on an Apple made computer, he does not know very much about Macs, much like someone who does not know the pothagorean therum is not going to be a good mathemitician. Becuase this information source is now suspect, the rest of the information presented is also suspect. He may know a great deal about PCs, but he might not. He claimed to have used Macs extensively but made a simple error.

I do not claim to know much about PCs of Windows. I have only an elementary understanding of them, becuase I have had limited experience with them. I do have a good deal of experience with Macs. 20 years of experience, actually. I survived the clone wars (mac clones), and I am now living in a time when Apple has become respected by some again.

I'm sure you ment snippy and not shitty. This isn't a tennis match after all.

I respect those who use PCs and there ARE reasons to use a PC over a Mac. The opinions listed were based on half truths. Opinions can be wrong, when based on missinformation.

brandon11983

Lasareth:
You mentioned that PC has been doing the right click thing since the early nineties, lets not forget who invented the mouse, and can do everything with 1 button that you can do with 2.

About MS Office: look into Office 2004, many reviewers have said the Macintosh version is actually better than its Windows counterpart. It has every feature you would see in the XP version.

Again on the "lack" of software: you have still failed to name some applications you need that are not available on Mac. willravel and I have invited those to list needed applications, and we will give you a just-as-fuctional Mac counterpart.

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kutulu

Like your version of the cheap mac. That system is so stripped down you couldn't do shit with it. 256 MB RAM is nothing, 512 is the standard. 40GB HDD is tiny, 80-120 is standard, CD combo+DVD read is outdated, DVD writing is in.

http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4089462
Cheaper and better

Holo

I listed two I use daily and can't see being without at this time:

Newsbin pro
Proxomitron


If I had more time I'm sure I could dig up more. I was surprised to see how many games are supported now but it's still a wide berth by comparison. And like was said before I could build a great system for 800 bucks, and not have to settle for an entry level Mac. I understand they use good quality parts and PPC is a great arch as I've said before, but I don't have a reason to switch. Server 2003 works just fine (read:it sucks less than other versions of windows).

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Okay, let's add the ram to 512, the hdd to 80 and the dvd to writing: $1074 without assembling a thing.

Willravel

Holo: Newshunter 2.1.5 is a good version for Mac of the Usenet binary posting and downloading utility. I'm not sure about a web filter for Mac, I have heard friends complain about Proxomitron though. I coulnd't substantiate those complaints though, so I'll say I don't know about a Proxomitron replacement or equal on Mac.

CityOfAngels

Why I hate Macs:

1) They're "missing" a mouse button.
2) Upgrade? What's an upgrade?
3) How many games for Mac? Now, how many games for PC?
4) Instructions on how to open your Mac: Step 1 - Grab sledgehammer...
5) Everyone who knows nothing about anything swear by Macs "because they have cool colors!"
6) No Start Menu. You have to access everything from the hard drive directly.
7) The fact that so many people ignorantly and stubbornly stick by these abominations.
8) I can build two top-notch PC's for the price of one going-out-of-style Mac.
9) They are not part of the Microsoft monopoly, which owns me and everyone else who uses a computer.
10) A powerful PC can emulate Mac OS. :thumbs up:

twister002

re: The master bar at the top.

one of the reasons, I wish I could find the article that talked about it (It might have been Joel Spolsky "User Interface design for programmers"), the master bar is at the top is because it's much easier for a user to move the mouse pointer all the way to the edge of a screen than it is to hit an arbitrary point in the middle of the screen. It's the same reason the taskbar is at the bottom, unless you move it, and generally why the Office taskbar and OSX dock are located against the edge of the screen.

That's also why all (most? I'm not sure, I'm not a Mac owner yet) applications written for the Mac have to use the master bar as their menu bar. So the user doesn't have to hunt around for the applications menu.

It sounds like it'd be more confusing to the user for the menu to keep changing depending on which app is running, but it isn't. It's easier for the user to hit the menu target than to go down 10-20 pixels more to the applications menu (a'la Windows applications).

As for why I'm thinking of switching from PC to a Mac for home use (I'm a Windows based developer at work), I'll point to this post (http://www.blognewsnetwork.com/membe.../30.html#a6685) by Adam Curry (yes, that Adam Curry. He of the big hair MTV fame)
edit: Whoops, I remembered the title is "why do you hate macs?" I hate them because they cost more than Wintel based PC's and I'm not sure how much more bang for my buck I'm getting since the architecture is so different. Being able to write for specific hardware does make a difference. My XBox is much less powerful than my XP Desktop, but my Xbox will be able to run Doom3 @ 60FPS, Doom3 with everything turned off on my desktop is a slideshow. So a 1GhZ Mac may perform just as well or better than a 2GhZ PC depending on the configuration and the amount of cruft on the Windows box.

That and the Macs are kinda fruity, pun intended.

vanblah

Douglas Engelbart invented the mouse at Stanford Research Institue in the late '60s.

merkerguitars

The only reason I hate mac.....There is absolutely no software out there in the process/automation world for it. So I can't do my daily job.

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4. You've obviously never opened one then. Opening a G4 is as simple as pulling a stylish lever on the case. The case opens up like a clamshell, with the motherboard lying flat on the table. Can you say easy? G5 is no different.
6. Don't need a Start Menu. You want to launch Word? Click its icon in the Dock. Simple. Want to access a file in your Documents folder? Open Macintosh HD, click Documents in the left pane. Done.
7. We stick by our machines for very good reason. They work. They are virtually invulnerable to all the "abominations" of the PC world. You know, viruses, trojans, adware, spyware, malware, Windows, IE... I did a scan of my computer via Symantec's site. My computer cannot even be seen by the outside world, even with the firewall disabled.

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Willravel

1. They arn't missing a mouse button.
2. We occasionally have security updates, but not every 3 or 4 days like PCs. Macs come ready to use and do not need upgrades for a few years.
3. ABOUT THE SAME. There are slightly more games for PC that are popular now, but the number is fast falling.
4. Instructions for Mac. Plug in and press power.
5. Yes, Macs are better looking than any other computer.
6. We have something called a dock. A dock can hold applications and links, much like a startup menu.
7. The fact that people don't know much about Macs, yet persist in continuing the lies.
8. I don't have to build a Mac, they come pre assembled.
9. Aren't a part of the Microsoft monopoly.
10. A meduim Mac can emulate Windows legaly.

docbungle

So yeah...
To rehash, Windows does everything I need it to do. Mac does not. Why trade? Especially when building a pc to suit your SPECIFIC needs is so easy? And so much cheaper. With a Mac...you are given a few different systems to choose from, prebuilt. I run away from anything computer-based that is prebuilt.

And as far as all this virus and trojan horse business....the more educated Windows users don't have much of a problem with these things. And if they do pop up, they are easily dealt with.

Windows just flat out has more options, more compatibility and less price.

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Fallon

Mind you, I'm a Linux fan totally. Hell, I'll prollay be putting it on this computer pretty soon. This is the argument Linux newbies use. If you believe that because you use a Mac, you're totally wrong. There will come a time that virus writers will start targetting Macs, as well as Linux. Just because you haven't gotten hit yet, doesn't mean that your computer is better then anyone elses.

As to why I personally do not like Macs? All of mine opinions are based off of the older stuff and I know that OSX is a hell of a lot better, but old feelings die hard. Now, when you go tell me to go out and try it, when you send me one, sure I will. I can not afford $800 to go buy a low-end Mac, but i can buy myself a mid-range PC for $300 that I built myself. And buying preassembled? I stopped that after my mother bought a computer that's only been running like shit from when she got it. Now I hold a stigma against any computer that is preassembled. I won't complain about the software because I'm not really attached to any one program but I do love Escape Velocity: Nova

CityOfAngels

1. Yes, they are. They're also "missing" a mousewheel.
2. The fact that Microsoft provides updates on a regular basis shows the dedication they have into making their products as user-friendly as possible.
3. That's a lie, and you, me, and everyone else in the world knows that.
4. Exactly. You don't get a choice of quality for different components of your system. You're stuck with one colorful box of crap, and if you want something better, you either go get a PC or throw your Mac out and buy a brand new one. With a PC, you can have the same system for YEARS, and for $80 you can upgrade the storage memory; $20 upgrade the random access memory; $85 upgrade the video card. Sure as hell beats $2000 on a brand new non-upgradeable piece of crap. That's a hefty price to pay for not wanting to learn how to plug a few (labeled) things to the back of a PC.
5. Personally, I'd rather have an Alienware PC than a Mac. But that's just a personal measure of taste (opinion).
6. Are you talking about that long strip of unlabeled icons that stretches horizontally across the screen?
7. a) I know quite a bit about Macs. I've used them since Macs were first released, all the way up through high school in my graphic arts class. b) I haven't once lied about Macs. They ARE crap.
8. Read #4 about the "hefty price."
9. And that's one very small saving grace. Oh yeah, if you run Windows on your Mac, Microsoft still owns you.
10. Actually, there's a completely separate Windows MADE for Macs, because many find the Mac OS to be too cumbersome and lame to use, so they resort to trying to make their Macs as much like a PC as possible.

MOST IMPORTANTLY: Don't take this personally. It's just I know what quality is, and that's what I choose over paying a ton of money to skip a 10-minute hook-up process and throwing away an abundance of accessibility and ease-of-use.

bendsley

like PC's? Let's not forget that the x86 architecture runs a variety of operating systems. I believe you're referring to that shitty OS called Windows?

FreeBSD is known to be VERY well hardened against attacks. Get your story straight.

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