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soccerchamp76 · 07-10-2004, 08:39 PM

My processor selections for my upcoming computer (completion date early August):
Intel:
Pentium 4 550 3.4 GHz Prescott;Socket LGA775
$425
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-182&depa=0
Pentium 4 3.4 GHz Northwood; Socket 478
$415
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-168&depa=0
Pentium 4 540 3.2 GHz Prescott; Socket LGA775
$299
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-183&depa=0

AMD:
AMD Athlon 64 3400+; Newcastle Socket 754
$416
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-484&depa=0
AMD Athlon 64 3200; Newcastle Socket 754
$282
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-483&depa=0

Now, it seems to me that my best choice would be one of the Intel processors but I am having a hard time choosing. If I do in fact go Intel, should I get the Northwood .13nm or the new Prescott .09nm?

KMA-628 · 07-10-2004, 09:51 PM

What do you want to do with the computer?

Gaming? Video Editing? Multimedia?, etc

Dragonlich · 07-10-2004, 10:40 PM

For video-editing, you NEED the stability of Intel chipsets. For anything else, you can choose.

Processors alone aren't the whole picture. You need a motherboard to go with it, as well as memory, a videocard, etc. The new Intel chips need a new motherboard sporting PCI-Express videocards (slightly more expensive), SATA harddisks (same), and in most instances DDR2 memory (waaaay more expensive). That has to be part of the equation too.

ChrisJericho · 07-10-2004, 11:06 PM

The intels processors are generally better for media/video editing while the AMD'S are usually better for gaming.

The Prescott's do not offer much more of a performance increase over the northwood's and they usually run hotter.

Lasereth · 07-11-2004, 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by ChrisJericho
The intels processors are generally better for media/video editing while the AMD'S are usually better for gaming.

The Prescott's do not offer much more of a performance increase over the northwood's and they usually run hotter.

Jericho's right! If you are gonna go with Intel, getting a Prescott won't get you much more power, but they're not that much more money nowadays. It really depends on what ya wanna do with the processor. There's not much of a reason to spend the extra money with Intel unless you're positively gonna do video editing or media creation. The extra clock speed that comes with Intel's processors will give a big advantage on AMD processors with media applications.

If you're buying this processor for gaming, AMD is the way to go. AMD's processors are cheaper (as in less money) and are basically designed for gaming.

The options after that are simply about upgradeability. Socket 754 might not last much longer with AMD. They're really enjoying supporting socket 939 now. Socket 940 is already dead! Socket A will see a lot more life in the future (AMD is releasing new socket A processors to "combat" Intel's Celeron D series). I'd go with Socket A or Socket 939. Socket 754 wouldn't be a bad decision (if you did buy a socket 754 processors, chances are it won't be outdated for a few years...even if AMD discontinues it, your processor will still kick ass!). Anything but socket 940!

Now, the best bang-for-your-buck is easily the AMD Athlon XP 2500+ and onward. The 2500+ is only $80! Athlon XPs are still great processors and will last for a good while in the gaming industry. As of now, videocards are the major determining factor in how well games run. Another great deal is the Athlon 64 3200+ (socket 754).

If you're hell-bent on spending a ton of money on a processor, I'd choose the Athlon 64 3500+. Even though it's pretty damn expensive (not much more than the processor you listed though), you're getting the power of an Athlon 64 plus a motherboard with socket 939. Socket 939 is AMD's flagship socket, so you're good to go with upgradeability for a few years. Another option would be the 3.4 GHz Prescott you listed. I'd only get that if you're gonna go crazy with media creation though!

-Lasereth

soccerchamp76 · 07-11-2004, 12:32 PM

I won't be doing any hard core gaming, maybe Halo or some others but nothing that would require a speicific processor.

Most of my stuff will be multimedia (HD video and such) so I think I am going to be going with the 3.4 or 3.2 Prescott.

bltzkriegmcanon · 07-11-2004, 06:54 PM

Well shit, it's not like an Intel-based system is gonna get you shit performance. It's nothing that extreme. You can just expect to get less gaming performance for the buck than you can with an AMD. Yeah. That's right, old Blitzkrieg McCannon, Intel fanboy said you'll get better fucking gaming performance from an AMD-based system than an Intel. I mean, I can't argue with benchmark scores, it's a fucking fact that AMD outscores Intel almost everytime on all gaming-based benchmarks. But, the others have been right, if you want to do a lot of multimedia, Intel is the way to go. If you're planning on getting a 3.0+ Prescott, it WILL run the shit out of some games. I mean, damn. You'll have no trouble at all getting excellent performance. Especially if you're gonna couple that Prescott with a current generation video card too. And some fast fucking RAM. Might as well break down and buy a SATA 74.4 Raptor 10000 RPM drive as well. That machine is gonna be a beast!

soccerchamp76 · 07-11-2004, 09:38 PM

It's gonna be a SATA WD 7200RPM drive with a gig of RAM.

Video card is most likely gonna be:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...factory=BROWSE

With my strict $2000 budget, if i want a better video card I would have to sacrifice my Creative Megaworks 5.1 sound system with 500 watts. I was not willing to part with that for my dorm room.

Cocktopus · 07-12-2004, 01:18 AM

2 wd raptors in raid 0....xp installed in ~8min and loads in ~5 sec.

just remember to backup.

bltzkriegmcanon · 07-12-2004, 07:39 AM

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Originally posted by Cocktopus
2 wd raptors in raid 0....xp installed in ~8min and loads in ~5 sec.

just remember to backup.

That's the precise reason I recommended that. Raptors are faster'an'fuck. a 7200 RPM SATA will cause NO noticeable difference in performance, unless you're moving up from a 5400 RPM drive with less than 2mb worth of cache, connected on a ATA 33 cable. In that case, a SATA drive will be noticeable. However, if you've got a damn $2000 budget, I would still suggest a Raptor.

Lasereth · 07-12-2004, 10:36 AM

With a $2,000 budget, I'd suggest a Radeon X800 or GeForce 6800.

-Lasereth

bltzkriegmcanon · 07-12-2004, 11:54 AM

Yeah really. Hell, if you've got $2000 to dedicate to this project, wait for PCI-X to hit the market, and get a PCI-X based card. I mean, seriously, it would go well with that LGA 775 you're planning on. But, currently, LGA 775, Prescott, PCI-X, SATA, hell, just about every new technology isn't gonna deliver that much of a performance increase. Exceptions are to be made for the Geforce 6800 Ultra and the X800 Pro, because these are the big bitch increases in raw computing power. I mean, for what you say you'll be doing, mainly multimedia with some gaming thrown in for good measure, it would be ludicrous for me to claim that you NEED anything above a 2.8 HT Northwood. some damn decent RAM (3200 or some stable, dependable 3500 and above with some nice low CL timings for nice overclocking, and even that could be unneccessary if you're not playing games all the time). I'd say, invest in at least 768 MB of RAM, that's mostly for the sake of games (load time, jerkiness). Hell, get a AIW 9800 Pro, so you'll get a good video-in going on (if that's a part of your mulitmedia area), and save some cash. Then, for an added boost, go with a 10,000 RPM 74 GB Raptor. It might seem ridiculous that you're spending 165 on a HDD that's less than 80 GB, especially considering that, on a good day, you can get a 250 GB 7200 RPM drive for a few bucks more. But, I say, put all programs on that Raptor, and then pick up a uber-drive from Staples or Office Depot or Compusa when they have their weekly God-sales© featuring super-duper hard drives for super-low prices, often with no rebates!

soccerchamp76 · 07-12-2004, 04:57 PM

bltzkriegmcanon · 07-12-2004, 06:59 PM

Looks good! I like how there's gonna be some fucking nice shit in the case, but you're only getting a beige case. It's very belying of the beast that's within. Then again, it could be the opposite, you have a fucking rice rocket case with all the windows and shit, but a 500 Mhz PII inside. Then there's the ever-necessary Counter-Strike applique. Gotta have that if you're ricing up a shitty computer.

Come on, dude! At least get something black!

ChrisJericho · 07-12-2004, 07:52 PM

OMG you need a pimp case. People are going to heckle you at LAN's with that beige thing....... trust me, I know from experience.

Lian-Li or Antec aluminum cases are best with 120 mm fans to keep all your expensive components cool !

soccerchamp76 · 07-12-2004, 10:18 PM

I won't be going to LAN's and it is gonna be in a dorm room at college so it could be gold with sparkles for all I care. I didn't look at the color, just the nice price. Plus, if someone heckles me for the case, I will reply, "You spent more money on your case just for looks while i spent on something that actually matters."

soccerchamp76 · 07-13-2004, 10:33 AM

Now, for the Socket choice, LGA775 or 478.

The pluses for the LGA775 would be the upgradeability. In two years I could easily pop in a new processor for a nice upgrade but if I get the 478 I would not.

Lasereth · 07-13-2004, 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by soccerchamp76
Now, for the Socket choice, LGA775 or 478.

The pluses for the LGA775 would be the upgradeability. In two years I could easily pop in a new processor for a nice upgrade but if I get the 478 I would not.

A small-known fact is that with socket 775, your RAM won't work, the videocard won't work, and the processor won't work. That's right friends, socket 775 *requires* PCI-E videocards, DDR2 memory (DDR won't work), and socket 775 P4's (not current socket 478).

-Lasereth

ChrisJericho · 07-13-2004, 12:46 PM

Intel has screwed up LGA775 beyond belief.

bltzkriegmcanon · 07-13-2004, 12:54 PM

Well, they're wanting to push into an entirely new area. They're wanting to innovate and develop better and faster shit. They're trying to develop consumer desire where there isn't any yet. AMD does the same thing, but it somehow never ends up costing so much.

soccerchamp76 · 07-13-2004, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lasereth
A small-known fact is that with socket 775, your RAM won't work, the videocard won't work, and the processor won't work. That's right friends, socket 775 *requires* PCI-E videocards, DDR2 memory (DDR won't work), and socket 775 P4's (not current socket 478).

-Lasereth

Why this then?
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...127-183&depa=0

With the:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...factory=BROWSE

bltzkriegmcanon · 07-13-2004, 01:27 PM

Because that board is a compromise. It just uses socket 775, but it doesn't employ any of the newest Intel chipsets (915 and 925). Since it doesn't use those chipsets, it doesn't require all the new shit. It just provides a flat solution for LGA 775. I mean, if you're wanting to do the kind of upgrade that goes along with 775, then a board with 915 or 925 chipset (or one of its variants) will most likely take nothing but DDRII, PCI-X shit.

soccerchamp76 · 07-13-2004, 01:28 PM

So then this board would be nice because I can get the scalability of the new Prescotts but I do not have to deal with the huge prices of DDRII and PCI-x?

mikec · 07-13-2004, 01:35 PM

very confusing...

intel's site is clear that LGA775 processors are only supported by 915P, 915G or 925X chipsets.

http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/linecard.htm

so I'm confused as well by how Abit can support LGA775 processors with an 865G chipset.

I love and hate hardware advances. I haven't been paying attention for like 2 months to new stuff, and now it's sheer madness all over again!

bltzkriegmcanon · 07-13-2004, 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by soccerchamp76
So then this board would be nice because I can get the scalability of the new Prescotts but I do not have to deal with the huge prices of DDRII and PCI-x?

Well, that only goes so far. I mean, you can change the processor to a certain extent, but what happens when, say, Intel pulls an expcted move like going to FSB 1066? How bout this for size, RAM companies are gonna start strictly producing faster and faster RAM for DDRII only. I mean, that's what standards are all about. Same thing goes for video card companies. If PCI-X proves to be the shit that the Intel camp claims it to be, (and most likely it will be, once there are 1) pieces of hardware that can really, truly utilize it, and 2) pieces of software that can push it to its limits or at least be optimized by the presence of it.) So you find yourself with a choice. The newest shit is expensive, and guess what, that's the way it's always gonna be. Innovators and early adopters always pay the highest price, due to market factors such as demand, and the whole idea of caution in the marketplace (especially in light of computer parts). That's one path, pay the price, get the newest, latest and greatest that's yet to be utilized and invest in a future that might not possibly pan out. There is a second path, as always. Buy older stuff that has been proven to be effective for today and the near future (next 18 months). Moore's Law has held true, stating 1) Processors double in clock speed every 18 months, and 2) software always has and always will be at least 18 months or greater behind the hardware that drives it. Face it, there's not gonna be an application that LGA 775, PCI-X, DDRII, or even SATA hard drives are necessary for, except on the very, very highest end for the next 18-36 months. I mean, Longhorn comes out, and that supposedly requires at LEAST a 2.0 Ghz processor (at least according to rumors), and that the average Processor running Longhorn will fall between 4 and 6 Ghz. According to Moore's Law, this is no surprise, as an OS is definitely always behind that 18 month curve.

Anyways, the point, after that long rant is, in your case, you can make three different choices. 1) The costly choice, which will ultimately be phased out of existence by better, faster, and perhaps better priced (though highly unlikely) hardware. I mean, everybody gets super-excited about a new hardware craze, and this year, PCI-X, DDRII, and LGA 775 are that craze, and if you choose to invest in that, it's gonna cost you the bucks. 2) The accepted choice, the proven choice. This choice represents getting the most for your money, being prepared to make the sacrifice of not getting the BEST performance possible for applications that are coming out in the future, but will run dogshit around whatever is out now. This is the path that most enthusiasts (at least those with more sense than money) take. I mean, you can get a machine that will play brand new games damn good for the next 18 months, then within the 18 months following that, what you bought today will be the standard, what comes highly recommended that you play for decent performance. 18 months after that (we're talking 4.5 years in the future) the computer that you build will be something that people talk about as a relic of an era "long past." It won't run crap for crap. New apps can be forgotten, and gaming at any decent resolution (at least for brand new games at that time) will be completely forgotten. But then that's almost 5 years from now. Any person who likes to game will have bought at least 1 new computer by that point, hell maybe 2. Then the 3rd path. The one that is represented by the LGA 775/865 chipset. One that compromises. You can get the best of the new, and still save some cash on other components like RAM and GPU. But then, that will only buy you, at most, a 6 month extension onto those 54 months I was talking about earlier (54 months = 4.5 years), at best.

The point I'm trying to make, my word to you concerning this is, you're gonna face a bottleneck. A huge one. You won't be able to get super-duper fast RAM. Most video cards are sailing away on the PCI-X ship to expensive land, leaving behind their decrepit, older AGP parents to watch over the Dells of the world. Shitty metaphors aside, I think you get my point. Intel introduces the technology that the industry will make the standard of. AMD responds with a cheaper, better constructed response, running at lower clock speeds but delivering better performance for one niche. Gamers. They make up a large portion of the enthusiast community (hell, who am I kidding, all of it), but that only panders to so many. The rest of the populace doesn't have need for gaming performance out the wazoo. They need multi-media solutions, they need good, solid, trustworthy architecture, that goes with a solid platform.

I can't really explain to you why there's an LGA 775 solution using the 865/875 chipset. Hopefully, a reviewing firm like Tom's Hardware or Anandtech will put forth some answer for us, the community of enthusiasts as to how and why the hell some companies have come up with this middle-of-the-road solution. I mean, I knew that, at least for the current super-fucking-duper generation of graphics cards there were going to be both AGP and PCI-X shit produced, but how Abit did it, I have not a clue.

Lasereth · 07-14-2004, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by soccerchamp76
Why this then?
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...127-183&depa=0

Abit is releasing a board with the old Intel chipset so that people who want the new 775 processors can get them now, even before Intel irons out the new chipset problems. I wouldn't buy that now...it's a waste. May as well go with socket 478 if you want AGP and DDR1 support! One of the biggest deals about socket 775 is the chipset features, and that motherboard is devoid of any of them.

Straight from Tom's Hardware:

Quote:

Tom's Hardware said:
Besides a new motherboard including processor and cooler, changing over to the Socket 775 means you have to have new DDR2 DIMMs and a PCI Express graphics card. In order to use the features of the new Southbridge then, it would be also good to have a hard drive with command queuing support. Or two even, in the so-called Matrix RAID. But who wants to spend all that money when, as things stand today, the benefits can hardly be noticed, much less measured?

-Lasereth

soccerchamp76 · 07-14-2004, 03:23 PM

Well, I could get the motherboard with the 865 chipset just for the ability to purchase a faster processor in 2 years. Would it be worth it?

Another question: How important is an 8mb buffer on a CD/DVD burner?

bltzkriegmcanon · 07-14-2004, 08:53 PM

It wouldn't be worth it in any years to do that. If you choose to do that, you're gonna face a bottleneck from slower RAM and AGP-based graphics. You won't face that problem currently, but as soon as next-gen shit rolls down the pipeline to make all the new shit worth having, you're gonna be bottlenecked by all the other shit. That's why upgrading is expensive, because you can't just change one piece and expect to get the performance, you have to do it for everything.

07-14-2004, 09:07 PM

if you have to choose between the p4c or p4e.. get the prescott! it supports sse3 and has a larger l2 cache. when future applications start using these features it will make a difference.

07-10-2004, 08:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
soccerchamp76 Go Cardinals Location: St. Louis/Cincinnati	AMD vs. Intel My processor selections for my upcoming computer (completion date early August): Intel: Pentium 4 550 3.4 GHz Prescott;Socket LGA775 $425 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-182&depa=0 Pentium 4 3.4 GHz Northwood; Socket 478 $415 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-168&depa=0 Pentium 4 540 3.2 GHz Prescott; Socket LGA775 $299 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-183&depa=0 AMD: AMD Athlon 64 3400+; Newcastle Socket 754 $416 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-484&depa=0 AMD Athlon 64 3200; Newcastle Socket 754 $282 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-483&depa=0 Now, it seems to me that my best choice would be one of the Intel processors but I am having a hard time choosing. If I do in fact go Intel, should I get the Northwood .13nm or the new Prescott .09nm? __________________ Brian Griffin: Ah, if my memory serves me, this is the physics department. Chris Griffin: That would explain all the gravity.

07-10-2004, 09:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
KMA-628 ....is off his meds...you were warned. Location: The Wild Wild West	What do you want to do with the computer? Gaming? Video Editing? Multimedia?, etc __________________ Before you criticize someone, you need to walk a mile in their shoes. That way, if they get angry at you.......you're a mile away.......and they're barefoot.

07-10-2004, 11:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
ChrisJericho eat more fruit Location: Seattle	The intels processors are generally better for media/video editing while the AMD'S are usually better for gaming. The Prescott's do not offer much more of a performance increase over the northwood's and they usually run hotter. __________________ "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows us that faith proves nothing." - Friedrich Nietzsche

07-11-2004, 12:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
soccerchamp76 Go Cardinals Location: St. Louis/Cincinnati	I won't be doing any hard core gaming, maybe Halo or some others but nothing that would require a speicific processor. Most of my stuff will be multimedia (HD video and such) so I think I am going to be going with the 3.4 or 3.2 Prescott. __________________ Brian Griffin: Ah, if my memory serves me, this is the physics department. Chris Griffin: That would explain all the gravity.

07-11-2004, 06:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
bltzkriegmcanon Holy Knight of The Alliance Location: Stormwind, The Eastern Kingdoms, Azeroth	Well shit, it's not like an Intel-based system is gonna get you shit performance. It's nothing that extreme. You can just expect to get less gaming performance for the buck than you can with an AMD. Yeah. That's right, old Blitzkrieg McCannon, Intel fanboy said you'll get better fucking gaming performance from an AMD-based system than an Intel. I mean, I can't argue with benchmark scores, it's a fucking fact that AMD outscores Intel almost everytime on all gaming-based benchmarks. But, the others have been right, if you want to do a lot of multimedia, Intel is the way to go. If you're planning on getting a 3.0+ Prescott, it WILL run the shit out of some games. I mean, damn. You'll have no trouble at all getting excellent performance. Especially if you're gonna couple that Prescott with a current generation video card too. And some fast fucking RAM. Might as well break down and buy a SATA 74.4 Raptor 10000 RPM drive as well. That machine is gonna be a beast! __________________ What do you say to one last showdown? - Ocelot, Metal Gear Solid 3 The password is "Who are the Patriots?" and "La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo." "La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo." Gotcha. - The Colonel and Snake, Metal Gear Solid 3

07-10-2004, 10:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
Dragonlich 42, baby! Location: The Netherlands	For video-editing, you NEED the stability of Intel chipsets. For anything else, you can choose. Processors alone aren't the whole picture. You need a motherboard to go with it, as well as memory, a videocard, etc. The new Intel chips need a new motherboard sporting PCI-Express videocards (slightly more expensive), SATA harddisks (same), and in most instances DDR2 memory (waaaay more expensive). That has to be part of the equation too.

07-11-2004, 09:38 PM	#8 (permalink)
soccerchamp76 Go Cardinals Location: St. Louis/Cincinnati	It's gonna be a SATA WD 7200RPM drive with a gig of RAM. Video card is most likely gonna be: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...factory=BROWSE With my strict $2000 budget, if i want a better video card I would have to sacrifice my Creative Megaworks 5.1 sound system with 500 watts. I was not willing to part with that for my dorm room. __________________ Brian Griffin: Ah, if my memory serves me, this is the physics department. Chris Griffin: That would explain all the gravity.

07-12-2004, 01:18 AM	#9 (permalink)
Cocktopus Insane	2 wd raptors in raid 0....xp installed in ~8min and loads in ~5 sec. just remember to backup.

07-12-2004, 10:36 AM	#11 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	With a $2,000 budget, I'd suggest a Radeon X800 or GeForce 6800. -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert

07-12-2004, 11:54 AM	#12 (permalink)
bltzkriegmcanon Holy Knight of The Alliance Location: Stormwind, The Eastern Kingdoms, Azeroth	Yeah really. Hell, if you've got $2000 to dedicate to this project, wait for PCI-X to hit the market, and get a PCI-X based card. I mean, seriously, it would go well with that LGA 775 you're planning on. But, currently, LGA 775, Prescott, PCI-X, SATA, hell, just about every new technology isn't gonna deliver that much of a performance increase. Exceptions are to be made for the Geforce 6800 Ultra and the X800 Pro, because these are the big bitch increases in raw computing power. I mean, for what you say you'll be doing, mainly multimedia with some gaming thrown in for good measure, it would be ludicrous for me to claim that you NEED anything above a 2.8 HT Northwood. some damn decent RAM (3200 or some stable, dependable 3500 and above with some nice low CL timings for nice overclocking, and even that could be unneccessary if you're not playing games all the time). I'd say, invest in at least 768 MB of RAM, that's mostly for the sake of games (load time, jerkiness). Hell, get a AIW 9800 Pro, so you'll get a good video-in going on (if that's a part of your mulitmedia area), and save some cash. Then, for an added boost, go with a 10,000 RPM 74 GB Raptor. It might seem ridiculous that you're spending 165 on a HDD that's less than 80 GB, especially considering that, on a good day, you can get a 250 GB 7200 RPM drive for a few bucks more. But, I say, put all programs on that Raptor, and then pick up a uber-drive from Staples or Office Depot or Compusa when they have their weekly God-sales© featuring super-duper hard drives for super-low prices, often with no rebates! __________________ What do you say to one last showdown? - Ocelot, Metal Gear Solid 3 The password is "Who are the Patriots?" and "La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo." "La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo." Gotcha. - The Colonel and Snake, Metal Gear Solid 3

07-12-2004, 04:57 PM	#13 (permalink)
soccerchamp76 Go Cardinals Location: St. Louis/Cincinnati	Aight then, here is the list so far: case: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...factory=BROWSE $16 DVD Burner (8MB cache): http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...factory=BROWSE $159 HDD: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...factory=BROWSE $131.50 Floppy: No link $10 Memory: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...factory=BROWSE $170 LCD Monitor: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...factory=BROWSE $437 Asus Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...factory=BROWSE $91 Microsoft Mouse: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...factory=BROWSE $23 Enermax 420watt PS http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...factory=BROWSE $75 P4 3.2 GHz Northwood http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...factory=BROWSE $279 Software: Symantec Systemworks http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...factory=BROWSE $20 Creative Labs Audigy2 Sound Card http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...factory=BROWSE $72 Creative Labs 5.1 speaker system http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...factory=BROWSE $199 Sapphire 9800 Pro http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...factory=BROWSE $199 Total bill: $1881.48 The price does not include the cost of WinXP and if I wanted to get a better video card I would have to sacrifice my 5.1 Megaworks system. __________________ Brian Griffin: Ah, if my memory serves me, this is the physics department. Chris Griffin: That would explain all the gravity.

07-12-2004, 06:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
bltzkriegmcanon Holy Knight of The Alliance Location: Stormwind, The Eastern Kingdoms, Azeroth	Looks good! I like how there's gonna be some fucking nice shit in the case, but you're only getting a beige case. It's very belying of the beast that's within. Then again, it could be the opposite, you have a fucking rice rocket case with all the windows and shit, but a 500 Mhz PII inside. Then there's the ever-necessary Counter-Strike applique. Gotta have that if you're ricing up a shitty computer. Come on, dude! At least get something black! __________________ What do you say to one last showdown? - Ocelot, Metal Gear Solid 3 The password is "Who are the Patriots?" and "La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo." "La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo." Gotcha. - The Colonel and Snake, Metal Gear Solid 3

07-12-2004, 07:52 PM	#15 (permalink)
ChrisJericho eat more fruit Location: Seattle	OMG you need a pimp case. People are going to heckle you at LAN's with that beige thing....... trust me, I know from experience. Lian-Li or Antec aluminum cases are best with 120 mm fans to keep all your expensive components cool ! __________________ "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows us that faith proves nothing." - Friedrich Nietzsche

07-12-2004, 10:18 PM	#16 (permalink)
soccerchamp76 Go Cardinals Location: St. Louis/Cincinnati	I won't be going to LAN's and it is gonna be in a dorm room at college so it could be gold with sparkles for all I care. I didn't look at the color, just the nice price. Plus, if someone heckles me for the case, I will reply, "You spent more money on your case just for looks while i spent on something that actually matters." __________________ Brian Griffin: Ah, if my memory serves me, this is the physics department. Chris Griffin: That would explain all the gravity.

07-13-2004, 10:33 AM	#17 (permalink)
soccerchamp76 Go Cardinals Location: St. Louis/Cincinnati	Now, for the Socket choice, LGA775 or 478. The pluses for the LGA775 would be the upgradeability. In two years I could easily pop in a new processor for a nice upgrade but if I get the 478 I would not. __________________ Brian Griffin: Ah, if my memory serves me, this is the physics department. Chris Griffin: That would explain all the gravity.

07-13-2004, 12:46 PM	#19 (permalink)
ChrisJericho eat more fruit Location: Seattle	Intel has screwed up LGA775 beyond belief. __________________ "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows us that faith proves nothing." - Friedrich Nietzsche

07-13-2004, 12:54 PM	#20 (permalink)
bltzkriegmcanon Holy Knight of The Alliance Location: Stormwind, The Eastern Kingdoms, Azeroth	Well, they're wanting to push into an entirely new area. They're wanting to innovate and develop better and faster shit. They're trying to develop consumer desire where there isn't any yet. AMD does the same thing, but it somehow never ends up costing so much. __________________ What do you say to one last showdown? - Ocelot, Metal Gear Solid 3 The password is "Who are the Patriots?" and "La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo." "La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo." Gotcha. - The Colonel and Snake, Metal Gear Solid 3

07-13-2004, 01:27 PM	#22 (permalink)
bltzkriegmcanon Holy Knight of The Alliance Location: Stormwind, The Eastern Kingdoms, Azeroth	Because that board is a compromise. It just uses socket 775, but it doesn't employ any of the newest Intel chipsets (915 and 925). Since it doesn't use those chipsets, it doesn't require all the new shit. It just provides a flat solution for LGA 775. I mean, if you're wanting to do the kind of upgrade that goes along with 775, then a board with 915 or 925 chipset (or one of its variants) will most likely take nothing but DDRII, PCI-X shit. __________________ What do you say to one last showdown? - Ocelot, Metal Gear Solid 3 The password is "Who are the Patriots?" and "La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo." "La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo." Gotcha. - The Colonel and Snake, Metal Gear Solid 3

07-13-2004, 01:28 PM	#23 (permalink)
soccerchamp76 Go Cardinals Location: St. Louis/Cincinnati	So then this board would be nice because I can get the scalability of the new Prescotts but I do not have to deal with the huge prices of DDRII and PCI-x? __________________ Brian Griffin: Ah, if my memory serves me, this is the physics department. Chris Griffin: That would explain all the gravity.

07-13-2004, 01:35 PM	#24 (permalink)
mikec I flopped the nutz... Location: Stratford, CT	very confusing... intel's site is clear that LGA775 processors are only supported by 915P, 915G or 925X chipsets. http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/linecard.htm so I'm confused as well by how Abit can support LGA775 processors with an 865G chipset. I love and hate hardware advances. I haven't been paying attention for like 2 months to new stuff, and now it's sheer madness all over again! __________________ Until the 20th century, reality was everything humans could touch, smell, see, and hear. Since the initial publication of the charted electromagnetic spectrum, humans have learned that what they can touch, smell, see, and hear is less than one millionth of reality

07-14-2004, 03:23 PM	#27 (permalink)
soccerchamp76 Go Cardinals Location: St. Louis/Cincinnati	Well, I could get the motherboard with the 865 chipset just for the ability to purchase a faster processor in 2 years. Would it be worth it? Another question: How important is an 8mb buffer on a CD/DVD burner? __________________ Brian Griffin: Ah, if my memory serves me, this is the physics department. Chris Griffin: That would explain all the gravity.

07-14-2004, 08:53 PM	#28 (permalink)
bltzkriegmcanon Holy Knight of The Alliance Location: Stormwind, The Eastern Kingdoms, Azeroth	It wouldn't be worth it in any years to do that. If you choose to do that, you're gonna face a bottleneck from slower RAM and AGP-based graphics. You won't face that problem currently, but as soon as next-gen shit rolls down the pipeline to make all the new shit worth having, you're gonna be bottlenecked by all the other shit. That's why upgrading is expensive, because you can't just change one piece and expect to get the performance, you have to do it for everything. __________________ What do you say to one last showdown? - Ocelot, Metal Gear Solid 3 The password is "Who are the Patriots?" and "La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo." "La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo." Gotcha. - The Colonel and Snake, Metal Gear Solid 3

07-14-2004, 09:07 PM	#29 (permalink)
Xepidemic Guest	if you have to choose between the p4c or p4e.. get the prescott! it supports sse3 and has a larger l2 cache. when future applications start using these features it will make a difference.