sailor

Anyone know of any good Java programming environments? JBuilder is too project oriented for me, and we are using a program called JGrasp which is an utter piece of shite. I would like something else to use (other than the good old standby of TextPad ).

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WarWagon

Only thing I've ever used (not by choice) was BlueJ, so I'm not really sure how it stacks up to others.

firebirdta

What is it about JGrasp that you don't like? That can help in getting suggestions for alternatives. My IDE of choice is Eclipse, but that is also somewhat "project oriented."

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sailor

What dont I like about JGrasp? Well, about the only thing to like about it is that it is free. Other than that, it feels like an Alpha version, despite being at version 1.7. Shitty undo function, other functions dont work half the time, slow as shit, feels like it was made by a four year old.... I can go on.

Basically, it just feels terribly unfinished.

I would use the free version of JBuilder, but it is so project oriented, it makes it kind of hard to use for writing just one class or two.

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SiNai

I use jgrasp. Only thing I've ever used, but it doesn't seem so bad..

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Cuball

JCreator is easy to use, no hassle with project etc and has a nice codecompletion

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twister002

IntelliJ

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Pragma

Eclipse - on the occasions when I program in Java, that's all I'll use.

Eclipse

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Moskie

A second vote for eclipse here.

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Stompy

I downloaded quite a few IDEs when I was toying around with Java a while back, and the only ones that stick out in my mind as being good are JCreator and Eclipse.

I didn't get into it enough to prefer one over the other, but being used to Visual Studio, they had the features I wanted most (like IntelliSense).

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madcow

C'mon, no one uses Emacs!?!?

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feelgood

Emacs, JBuilder, JEdit, NetBeans to name a few. I use NetBean most of the time compared to others

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When doing projects: Eclipse
Anything else: jEdit, emacs, vi

sailor

OK, I got both JCreator and Eclipse. For the moment, it looks like JCreator wins--Eclipse is nice, but still project oriented, which is not something I need at this point. Im keeping both though, and am mainly just thankful to have a replacement for JGrasp.

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froseph

vim

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cartmen34

My brother just turned me onto Eclipse, and I became an instant fan. Why? One word.....Debugger!

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sailor

JGrasp *does* have a debugger, but thats about the only thing is has going for it. Its also the one big thing I dont like about JCreator.

I just wish Eclipse wasnt project oriented.

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RelaX

JEdit man... JEdit... one of the few good java progs I encoutered...

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Rummey

Eclipse!! Come on, it's what James Gosling himself uses!

Rummey

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rugrat

?!?! it's a lot easier to write a single-class console app in eclipse than in some of hte others... new project, new file. works a lot like Visual Studios in that everything is encompassed within a project. hard to learn at first, but if you can get it working for ya, it's nice. the real-time compile feature is nice, too, although when it yells at you before you're done typing a line, it can get annoying.

All in all, if you're wriring 2 class programs.. just use TextPad & command line, or vim and command line, or bbedit, or whatever your text-editor of choice is.

manalone

as others have said, use Eclipse it's amazing.

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cartmen34

Agreed.

I'm still learning the in's and out's of Eclipse, but it is to project oriented. I tried to copy/paste a section of my code into a fresh file to see if it would compile alone, and I wound up having to make a whole new project just to do that....and somehow my old project was linked to this new one, and it would not compile because it could not "find" the old project's file in order to complete the compile. WTF?? My pasted code was a complete stand alone class, with no calls to any other class, so I don't see what it was looking for. Plus, the old project had been completely removed from the editor before the new one was added, so how can the new project possibly know about the old project?!?

Like I said, I'm still learning how to most efficently use this editor, but it seems a bit confusing so far...plus I'm a Java noob, so I'm sure that has a little to do with my troubles.

I still think it's tons better than text editing/using a command line compiler. Its just so nice to have your keywords lit up and be told about mistakes before you compile the file.

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Morose

My last project started off in Jbuilder(linux)..
ended up doing most of the coding in Kwrite which was surprizingly nice
it had snytax highlighting for J, and it had scope collapsing which just makes any file 1000lines+ so much easier to deal with

and for madcow's sake..
my partner was using emacs

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Tempboy

I'm also going to say Eclipse.

Gusev

I'm a longtime user of Emacs + JDEE, but I'm planning on switching to Eclipse soon. The features that Eclipse offers are just too tempting!

gmoot

You've got another Eclipse vote here. I loved it for Java, but I've just recently discovered that palmSource offers a C/C++ variant of it for developers that makes developing Palm apps so much easier than the old command-line prc-tools.

Sleepyjack

Aside from vim or gvim, Jcreator is all up ons

SaltPork

I'll second that...can be a pain in the ass to set up if you are using it to work with an existing project, but hands down it's the best I've seen. It even has a GUI form designer....Take that gridbaglayout!

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motd

use eclipse. it has everything, plus some very nice other features (surround with...)

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AngelicVampire

netbeans is the best that I have seen. A really nice environment.

RatherThanWords

I really enjoy Scite...

It is mainly for linux, but there's also a windows version. Very sleek and quick, and excellent if you are testing console apps because it has a virtual console integrated into the environment

Akira

NetBeans, Sun Studio ONE, and JCreator. Out of those I use JCreator and Sun ONE the most, depending on what I'm programming.

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theFez

I had to use BlueJ, what a nightmare. Now it's eclipse all the way unless its something REALLY simple.

then its vi all the way baby.

undeadninjaz

I use Oracle JDeveloper 10g...
might be a little too complex of a program to use for writing a few classes but it's got a ALOT of features that i don't use and understand and it's free from oracle (you have to sign up to download it)

RAGEAngel9

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You kids and your new fangled IDEs.

I personally hate using any of the large IDEs. Given that I only do *nix programming, I just use a console window and Kate or KWrite. Simplistic, but it works.

sailor

I found another one that sucks. TogetherJ. Used to be owned by TogetherSoft, now owned by Borland, and I believe, now part of JBuilder. It has *boatloads* of features, but thats just the problem--it is SO resource intensive that I literally have to restart the IDE every 15 minutes because it fills up all the RAM and and then starts hitting swap, at which point it is all over. About every few hours, I have to restart the machine because all the incessant swap uses and Together restarts make the whole machine slow to a crawl. It SUCKS. Im using it on a P4 1.8 with 512 of RAM. An IDE should be perfectly usable in that environment, but it feels like it needs dual Xeons and about 2GB of RAM. F'ing ridiculous.

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SunGun

I use JCreator. Its pretty bad ass.. closest ive found to MSVC++ 6, in my opinion...

Netbeans is fricken turtle slow.

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nukeu666

im using jcreator for now...its pretty simple to use...no 'hundred project buttons'...its free and 5 mb only

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SunGun

Yep and even so, if you buy the non-freeware one, it even has the functionality as to bring up the little pop up box of class functions and stuff when you use the . operator on an object. It's pretty nice compared to whats out there, and very clean and simple.

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