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Old 06-02-2008, 06:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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HTML doesn't work in certain sub forums

Why is it that my HTML works in some forums, but not others?
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Old 06-02-2008, 06:48 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Interesting....

I don't think that HTML was intended to be on for the entire forum, but only for specific usergroups. I'm not exactly sure why it is on for one forum and not for the other. I'll have to ask before changing it, maybe it was a mistake...

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I confirmed it was a mistake. I have disabled it from all the forums that it was left on. You'll have to make different pointers instead of anchors. I think I usually just link directly to the original article, doing the < a href > anchor was just too time consuming and only a few people appreciate the coolness of it.

thanks for the alert.
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Old 06-02-2008, 02:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Damnit...


I should have kept my mouth shut...

How does it still work in this thread? I don't ask because I want it taken away...

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Old 06-02-2008, 02:58 PM   #4 (permalink)
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My guess would be:

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I don't think that HTML was intended to be on for the entire forum, but only for specific usergroups.
Emphasis mine.

SecretMethod70 is an administrator. I also have it on good authority that he may be a member of the illuminati. Either way, he gets privileges that are denied us plebs.

Out of curiosity, why are we denied html anyway? Hand coding is something of a rare skill these days retained only by dinosaurs like me who don't trust machine-generated code to get it right, and there's really not that much damage that can be done if php isn't enabled. I'm assuming the scripts responsible for parsing out html or whatever can selectively parse out php as well, so where's the issue?

Unless my assumption is wrong.
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Old 06-02-2008, 03:10 PM   #5 (permalink)
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HTML can be used with malicious intent to seriously screw up pages. This has already happened by accident a few times, causing people to think other people edited their posts and various other bad things. Most everything can be done using bbcode; I just use the HTML sometimes because I know it by memory.
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Old 06-02-2008, 03:12 PM   #6 (permalink)
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HTML can be used with malicious intent to seriously screw up pages. This has already happened by accident a few times, causing people to think other people edited their posts and various other bad things. Most everything can be done using bbcode; I just use the HTML sometimes because I know it by memory.
Really?

I'm going to have to tinker with the phpbb backend some time. I had no idea such things were possible (although, to be fair, I've never tried).
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Old 06-02-2008, 03:16 PM   #7 (permalink)
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In order to save me a Google search (I lack the magic three word combination to get it on the "I'm Feeling Lucky"), any advice from the Illuminati on how I might reorder some of my threads where I have extensively used HTML?

//sobs like school girl//
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Old 06-02-2008, 03:30 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Really?

I'm going to have to tinker with the phpbb backend some time. I had no idea such things were possible (although, to be fair, I've never tried).
Just to be clear, it's not like it wasn't very obvious that HTML was screwing with the page. When these things have happened, the pages have been noticably screwed up. It's just that, in being so screwed up, sometimes the beginning of one person's post may have been merged with another person's post, or the poster identity box to the left may have ended up next to someone else's post to the right, or someone's post may have been hidden entirely. It's important to note that these errors were not intentional, but they happened nonetheless. That is, of course, not to mention the other potentially bad uses of HTML, such as to take advantage of an security hole on an unsuspecting user's system. It's just much easier and safer to limit the use of HTML.
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Old 06-02-2008, 03:40 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Is that what was causing those errors? I never made the connection between display errors and HTML.

HTML exploits are more caused by poorly designed browsers than the code itself. In theory if a browser parses correctly and follows all W3C standards it should be secure from any HTML exploits (as I'm sure you know). This naturally doesn't take into account any extensions or other markup languages such as PHP; all the same, I don't see HTML as being a huge security risk although if it's what was causing the threads to render incorrectly I'm still in favour of disabling it.

When it comes to browser exploits, I like to think of such things as Darwinian computing.
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Old 06-02-2008, 04:17 PM   #10 (permalink)
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In order to save me a Google search (I lack the magic three word combination to get it on the "I'm Feeling Lucky"), any advice from the Illuminati on how I might reorder some of my threads where I have extensively used HTML?

//sobs like school girl//
I don't know of a straight BBcode that can do the anchor, but I believe that if I code the custom BBCode we can get your anchors working again.

maybe an [ anchor] [ /anchor]

which is replaced by your < a href="{param }">{param }< /a>

Let me do some testing....

okay, new bbcode for Hain....

Look at how I replaced your tags for Article 1 and Article 2. Artile 3 and 4 work because HTML is allowed for Admins.

new bbcode is:
[ anchor]
[ anchorlink]

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I have been reading up on some Customs policies, and am quite disturbed. US Customs has a policy that allows Customs agents to seize and search anyone's computer's contents (anyone entering the US, [anchorlink=article1]1st article[/anchorlink] and [anchorlink=article2]2nd article[/anchorlink]). It was explained to me that all Customs checkpoints are somehow classified as "international voids devoid of the laws of the land." How is this possible?

I want to know how did the US government and the people of the USA can allow such searches and seizures, which go against the 4th, 9th, and 10th Amendments. To deny Customs agents access to your personal data is to be denied access to the country, or just have your day ruined in any not-so fun manner. To be denied entry to the US, esp. if one is a citizen of the USA, I find to be cruel and unusual (5th Amendment). I say it is cruel and unusual because I have never heard of anyone being exiled from the USA.

What makes this form of search and seizure worse is that other countries are doing this as well. British Customs searches for pornography, and soon, American and Canadian boarder patrol could become "Copyright Police" to stop people with illegal content (<a href="#article3">3rd</a> and <a href="#article4">4th article</a>).
- - - - - - - - - - - - -
Now this has me outraged. I have legitimate reasons to have security measures on my computer. Cyberspace is not safe and there is little any government can do to protect the public, but make the public knowledgeable about how to stop it. I encrypt my hard drives to secure my data. I use encrypted password managers, and memorize nothing less than a 25 digit password (it isn't that hard with a mnemonic device). I even make it a pain for my friends to borrow my music! I use OGG Vorbis lossless WavPack images.

Everyone one of you should have the similar measures implemented. If you can make yourself a more difficult target to identity/data theft by using secure password manager and encrypted data programs, then you are much less likely of a target. I am not raising a stink about this because I have so much to hide. I don't download and I don't pirate. Of course I know how. You can probably guess that looking at my post in the Open Source/Freeware Thread thread. I know my rights in the USA. I know I am not subject to unjustified and unwanted searches and seizures by anyone unless they have got a well written piece of paper that says otherwise.
- - - - - - - - - - - - -
Someone like me is suspect to doing illegal things because I know and implement many security measures. This is so backwards from the Rights we have. For them to suspect me is like being suspect of a crime because one does not willingly give up one's 4th Amendment right. It seems we are just giving away our Rights with this mentality that, "I've got nothing to hide, and I don't want to be bothered." Yes it is a hassle, but we have these Rights, and goddamnit we are supposed to use them!

Now the [anchorlink=article1]1st article[/anchorlink] I have linked describes having hidden data partitions that are indistinguishable from random data. You can bet I have them. When I return to the US in a couple of months, you can guarantee I have my system still encrypted. I want to be as big of a dick, while respectful as possible, with these Customs agents so that they know I do not accept this search and seizure, and that I do not have to disclose information of a hidden partition. Otherwords, I want to say, "I neither confirm nor deny the existence of hidden drives on my system," but in not so clear of words (a phrase I can repeat over an over).
- - - - - - - - - - - - -

Unfortunately, I have two lines of inquiry. One, how did we let this happen? Two, what can I legally do/say at the moment of inspection to hinder this? Thoughts, advice, or other welcome.

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  1. [anchor]article1[/anchor]
    Quote:
    View: Taking your laptop into the US? Be sure to hide all your data first
    Source: Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk)
    Abstract: "Last month a US court ruled that border agents can search your laptop, or any other electronic device, when you're entering the country. They can take your computer and download its entire contents, or keep it for several days."   click to show 
  2. [anchor]article2[/anchor]
    Quote:
    View: Can US Customs Search & Seize Your Laptop Computer Without Cause? YES They Can!
    Source: Associatedcontent (http://www.associatedcontent.com)
    Abstract: "Ninth Circuit Court Decides that US Customs and Border Patrol Agents Can Search & Seize Electronic Equipment Without Cause"   click to show 
  3. <a name="article3"></a>
    Quote:
    View: Copyright deal could toughen rules governing info on iPods, computers
    Source: Canada (http://www.canada.com)
    Abstract: "The federal government is secretly negotiating an agreement to revamp international copyright laws which could make the information on Canadian iPods, laptop computers or other personal electronic devices illegal and greatly increase the difficulty of travelling with such devices."   click to show 
  4. <a name="article4"></a>
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    View: Border Security to Become Copyright Police?
    Source: Popsci (http://www.popsci.com)
    Abstract: "A proposed trade agreement could authorize border agents to search the contents of laptops and iPods for copyrighted material"   click to show 
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Old 06-02-2008, 04:44 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 06-02-2008, 04:47 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:35 PM   #13 (permalink)
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@Cynth: I can't look at it. Quoting your post wont work since the new bbcode example is inside a quote itself I'll fart around and experiment.

UPDATE: I have tried any meaningful permutations
[anchor]
[anchor=article1]
[anchor="article1"]
[anchor="#article1"]
[anchor=#article1]
and none of them make an anchor.

???

Thanks alot for doing this, though, by the way.
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Old 06-03-2008, 02:28 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I have been reading up on some Customs policies, and am quite disturbed. US Customs has a policy that allows Customs agents to seize and search anyone's computer's contents (anyone entering the US, [ anchorlink=article1]1st article[ /anchorlink] and [ anchorlink=article2]2nd article[ /anchorlink]). It was explained to me that all Customs checkpoints are somehow classified as "international voids devoid of the laws of the land." How is this possible?

I want to know how did the US government and the people of the USA can allow such searches and seizures, which go against the 4th, 9th, and 10th Amendments. To deny Customs agents access to your personal data is to be denied access to the country, or just have your day ruined in any not-so fun manner. To be denied entry to the US, esp. if one is a citizen of the USA, I find to be cruel and unusual (5th Amendment). I say it is cruel and unusual because I have never heard of anyone being exiled from the USA.

What makes this form of search and seizure worse is that other countries are doing this as well. British Customs searches for pornography, and soon, American and Canadian boarder patrol could become "Copyright Police" to stop people with illegal content (<a href="#article3">3rd</a> and <a href="#article4">4th article</a>).
- - - - - - - - - - - - -
Now this has me outraged. I have legitimate reasons to have security measures on my computer. Cyberspace is not safe and there is little any government can do to protect the public, but make the public knowledgeable about how to stop it. I encrypt my hard drives to secure my data. I use encrypted password managers, and memorize nothing less than a 25 digit password (it isn't that hard with a mnemonic device). I even make it a pain for my friends to borrow my music! I use OGG Vorbis lossless WavPack images.

Everyone one of you should have the similar measures implemented. If you can make yourself a more difficult target to identity/data theft by using secure password manager and encrypted data programs, then you are much less likely of a target. I am not raising a stink about this because I have so much to hide. I don't download and I don't pirate. Of course I know how. You can probably guess that looking at my post in the Open Source/Freeware Thread thread. I know my rights in the USA. I know I am not subject to unjustified and unwanted searches and seizures by anyone unless they have got a well written piece of paper that says otherwise.
- - - - - - - - - - - - -
Someone like me is suspect to doing illegal things because I know and implement many security measures. This is so backwards from the Rights we have. For them to suspect me is like being suspect of a crime because one does not willingly give up one's 4th Amendment right. It seems we are just giving away our Rights with this mentality that, "I've got nothing to hide, and I don't want to be bothered." Yes it is a hassle, but we have these Rights, and goddamnit we are supposed to use them!

Now the [ anchorlink=article1]1st article[ /anchorlink] I have linked describes having hidden data partitions that are indistinguishable from random data. You can bet I have them. When I return to the US in a couple of months, you can guarantee I have my system still encrypted. I want to be as big of a dick, while respectful as possible, with these Customs agents so that they know I do not accept this search and seizure, and that I do not have to disclose information of a hidden partition. Otherwords, I want to say, "I neither confirm nor deny the existence of hidden drives on my system," but in not so clear of words (a phrase I can repeat over an over).
- - - - - - - - - - - - -

Unfortunately, I have two lines of inquiry. One, how did we let this happen? Two, what can I legally do/say at the moment of inspection to hinder this? Thoughts, advice, or other welcome.

- - - - - - - - - - - - -
  1. [ anchor]article1[ /anchor]
    Quote:
    View: Taking your laptop into the US? Be sure to hide all your data first
    Source: Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk)
    Abstract: "Last month a US court ruled that border agents can search your laptop, or any other electronic device, when you're entering the country. They can take your computer and download its entire contents, or keep it for several days."   click to show 
  2. [ anchor]article2[ /anchor]
    Quote:
    View: Can US Customs Search & Seize Your Laptop Computer Without Cause? YES They Can!
    Source: Associatedcontent (http://www.associatedcontent.com)
    Abstract: "Ninth Circuit Court Decides that US Customs and Border Patrol Agents Can Search & Seize Electronic Equipment Without Cause"   click to show 
  3. <a name="article3"></a>
    Quote:
    View: Copyright deal could toughen rules governing info on iPods, computers
    Source: Canada (http://www.canada.com)
    Abstract: "The federal government is secretly negotiating an agreement to revamp international copyright laws which could make the information on Canadian iPods, laptop computers or other personal electronic devices illegal and greatly increase the difficulty of travelling with such devices."   click to show 
  4. <a name="article4"></a>
    Quote:
    View: Border Security to Become Copyright Police?
    Source: Popsci (http://www.popsci.com)
    Abstract: "A proposed trade agreement could authorize border agents to search the contents of laptops and iPods for copyrighted material"   click to show 
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All righty! I didn't think that I have to wrap the anchorlink around text before.

Thanks for this, Cynth!
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Old 06-07-2008, 07:23 AM   #16 (permalink)
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The revision in forum policy, eliminating html, has screwed up the way most of my past posts display, and eliminated the display of every image I have ever posted. I used <img src=""> I'm not taking it personally, but it seems an unnecessary change, and yet another reason to wonder, why bother?
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Of coarse, you are responsibly concerned. Would it be possible to allow individual applicants to be vetted to be accorded html coding privileges, but still maintain defenses against this type of abuse by a malicious coder?
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:35 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I just noticed something kinda weird about the anchor tags in conjunction with color tags... it tries to make it a link. When you scroll over the anchor that is a different color it behaves like a link but without any linking action.

EDIT: The reason I am dropping the logos from my freeware list is because FileHippo had a thing about people not using their images and it would take a while to make my own. Plus, it add a little uniformity to that list.
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Of coarse, you are responsibly concerned. Would it be possible to allow individual applicants to be vetted to be accorded html coding privileges, but still maintain defenses against this type of abuse by a malicious coder?
it isn't possible to give that specific ability in this version of vbulletin.

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I just noticed something kinda weird about the anchor tags in conjunction with color tags... it tries to make it a link. When you scroll over the anchor that is a different color it behaves like a link but without any linking action.

EDIT: The reason I am dropping the logos from my freeware list is because FileHippo had a thing about people not using their images and it would take a while to make my own. Plus, it add a little uniformity to that list.
example please?
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[ANCHOR](AVG) Anti-Virus Free Edition[/ANCHOR] (Homepage)(Filehippo)(5/5)(W,L) - "the well-known anti-virus protection tool. AVG Free is available free-of-charge to home users for the life of the product! Rapid virus database updates are available for the lifetime of the product, thereby providing the high-level of detection capability that millions of users around the world trust to protect their computers. AVG Free is easy-to-use and will not slow your system down (low system resource requirements)." - Frequently updated lists makes it nice against the ever changing war-front in cyberspace.

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[ANCHOR](AVG) Anti-Virus Free Edition[/ANCHOR] (Homepage)(Filehippo)(5/5)(W,L) - "the well-known anti-virus protection tool. AVG Free is available free-of-charge to home users for the life of the product! Rapid virus database updates are available for the lifetime of the product, thereby providing the high-level of detection capability that millions of users around the world trust to protect their computers. AVG Free is easy-to-use and will not slow your system down (low system resource requirements)." - Frequently updated lists makes it nice against the ever changing war-front in cyberspace.
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hmmmm I don't see it as a link, it just looks like a red version of the Bold, Italized, Underlined text.
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hmmmm I don't see it as a link, it just looks like a red version of the Bold, Italized, Underlined text.
On Firefox 3 (Mac Intel) and the TFP Green forum skin, the red text changes to grey on mouseover.
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thanks red...

Interesting. I don't experience that in IE6 or 7.

But does happen with FireFox and Opera.
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Weird, no?
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