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Glory's Sun · 07-07-2005, 11:41 AM

I'm sorry (yes this is going to sound cruel) but I couldn't care less what's wrong with him. He deserves it for all the shit he put on other people. He made people feel like shit, he didn't care about people and he boasted about it. Now it's his turn to be shit on.

dylanmarsh · 07-07-2005, 12:14 PM

Here's the latest:

Ramon Vazquez to Cleveland for Alex Cora
Jay Payton has been designated for assignment

Also Peter Gammons' nuggets of info on ESPNEWS:

-Sox looking at a bullpen pitcher for Jay Payton
-There is no market for Millar right now, source of controversy in the clubhouse
-Eddie Guardado won't go to Boston
-Sox will not trade one of 5 top prospects for a RP

Glory's Sun · 07-07-2005, 12:22 PM

No market for Millar is sort of an understatement isn't it?

goddfather40 · 07-07-2005, 03:51 PM

Alex Cora is a good pickup for the Sox. Great defensive middle infielder and not half bad with the stick either, though his average sucks. Probably having trouble adjusting to the AL pitching. Remember that 18 pitch at bat last year which culminated in a home run? I won't soon forget that.

Glory's Sun · 07-08-2005, 06:45 AM

Now the buzz is all about Curt being a reliever for the Sox. I don't like the idea at all. That's not his role. That's not his style. Sure it worked for Smoltz but I don't see it working for Shill at all. Curt needs way too many warm up pitches to get loose. I can see Arroyo doing some but don't like that much either. The Sox are just gonna have to come off some money and make a good deal late. I'd rather have Curt as an ace any day and I think he deserves to keep that role given what he did for the Sox last season.

dylanmarsh · 07-08-2005, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

Now the buzz is all about Curt being a reliever for the Sox. I don't like the idea at all. That's not his role. That's not his style. Sure it worked for Smoltz but I don't see it working for Shill at all. Curt needs way too many warm up pitches to get loose. I can see Arroyo doing some but don't like that much either. The Sox are just gonna have to come off some money and make a good deal late. I'd rather have Curt as an ace any day and I think he deserves to keep that role given what he did for the Sox last season.

Minus the Arroyo part, I agree with you completely. Don't get me wrong, I love Arroyo and his style, but I doubt he will become any better than he is now. If shipping Bronson and a prospect means fixing the bullpen, then I'm all for it. It better be a damn good deal for damn good player, though.

Glory's Sun · 07-08-2005, 08:16 AM

I'd really hate to see Arroyo go but I also didn't want Cabrera to go. Now I'm glad he did go. I read a Page 2 article that called the BoSox players idiots for not wanting Curt to be a closer. Why is that idioic? They know how Curt can pitch and they know what his style is like. I think the author of the article is an idiot. How's them apples?

Anyway, I'm getting anxious to see what Theo is going to do. I know there's time left and Theo will pull something out of his ass but damn, this suspense is almost as bad as Game 4 of the ALCS.

dylanmarsh · 07-08-2005, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

I'd really hate to see Arroyo go but I also didn't want Cabrera to go. Now I'm glad he did go. I read a Page 2 article that called the BoSox players idiots for not wanting Curt to be a closer. Why is that idioic? They know how Curt can pitch and they know what his style is like. I think the author of the article is an idiot. How's them apples?

Anyway, I'm getting anxious to see what Theo is going to do. I know there's time left and Theo will pull something out of his ass but damn, this suspense is almost as bad as Game 4 of the ALCS.

Last night's game really bugged me. The Sox are playing the second place Orioles (never thought I'd type that) and they sit Damon, Rent, Manny, and Tek. I realize Tito needs to give everyone a day off here and there but c'mon, we're fighting for the division. Let them have a night off against KC or Tampa, not the fucking Orioles!

Regarding Curt, here is a perfect example of why he should not be coming out of the 'pen:

2004 Season Pitch-Count Stats (ERA, WHIP, Opp. Avg)

Pitch 1-15:

7.07-1.21-.287

Pitch 16-30:

3.78-0.87-.186

Pitch 31-45:

1.59-0.68-.151

Pitch 46-60:

0.86-0.99-.224

Pitch 61-75:

2.19-0.68-.188

Pitch 76-90:

4.91-1.47-.306

Pitch 91-105:

3.38-1.92-.355

Pitch 106-20:

3.09-1.11-.250

Pitch 121-35:

0.00-3.00-.333

Curt struggles to get going in a game even when he is healthy, never mind trying to comeback from a major injury. He needs to pitch in the starter's role or, if push comes to shove, in long relief.

Glory's Sun · 07-08-2005, 09:12 AM

From what I see (you may want to correct me on this) but it seems like Curt is <i>wanting</i> to pitch relief. I don't understand wtf he's thinking. I'm wondering if he just wants to help the team out so badly that he'll take what he can get for now. Who knows.

Those are some great numbers you posted. I hope that Theo and the rest of the management is looking at those very closely before they decide to do something stupid. Hell I'd rather get Pedro back before I saw Curt as a closer.

dylanmarsh · 07-08-2005, 12:28 PM

According to the Providence Journal, the Sox are sending Jay Payton to Oakland for reliever Chad Bradford. Here's the article:

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BALTIMORE -- After a late-inning dugout confrontation with manager Terry Francona Wednesday night forced their hand, the Red Sox designated outfielder Jay Payton for assignment yesterday and have a deal in place to send him to the Oakland A's for reliever Chad Bradford.

Because Bradford, who underwent back surgery in the spring, is currently on the disabled list, the trade can't be announced until the All-Star break, when the veteran reliever, currently on a rehab assignment, is activated.

According to multiple industry sources, the Sox had the deal in place and were waiting for Bradford to be activated. But Payton's actions Wednesday night at Texas' Ameriquest Field hastened his departure.

Payton's unhappiness has been well documented ever since he went public with his desire to be traded last month, and the Sox have been attempting to meet his request. When Payton verbally jousted with Francona Wednesday night, his fate was sealed.

Payton and John Olerud were inserted as defensive replacements in the bottom of the seventh, with Payton taking over for Johnny Damon in center and Olerud replacing Kevin Millar at first. But when Payton learned that he would hit sixth -- in Millar's spot -- and Olerud would hit leadoff -- in Damon's spot -- he erupted, several sources said, claiming that this signified a lack of confidence in his ability as a hitter.

In reality, Francona wanted to avoid having the left-handed-hitting Olerud bat immediately after another lefty, Trot Nixon, the fifth hitter. Such an alignment would have made it easier for Rangers manager Buck Showalter to bring in a lefty reliever to face consecutive hitters.

A miffed Payton angrily shouted: "That's it -- I'm out of here."

Indeed, he was. Immediately after the game, Payton was told he was being designated for assignment, and instead of flying on the team charter to Baltimore, was told to return to Boston yesterday morning and await word on his fate.

Francona would not confirm or deny the Wednesday night incident other than to say yesterday: "Jay was having a very difficult time handling his (backup) role. He was a pretty good player when he played, but it was a challenge for him to (fill) that role. At times, it was very frustrating for him and hard for him to hide that frustration . . . It was time to move on."

One Red Sox player said yesterday that Payton's constant carping about insufficient playing time had gotten much worse in the last week and had angered many of his teammates.

Payton was obtained from San Diego along with Ramon Vazquez -- ironically, also dealt by the Sox yesterday in a separate transaction -- for ALCS hero Dave Roberts. Payton appeared in 55 games for the Sox, hitting .263 with five homers and 21 RBI.

Bradford, 32, made a rehab appearance Tuesday night for Class A Stockton, having spent time on the 60-day DL. The submarining right-hander, who has spent parts of seven seasons in the major leagues, enjoyed his best year in 2003, when he went 7-4 in 72 games for the A's, compiling a 3.04 E.R.A.

Last season, he pitched in 68 games, going 5-6 with 4.42 E.R.A. His sinking fastball generates lots of ground balls, and the Sox believe he can help them in the sixth and seventh innings.

Payton is in the final year of a deal that pays him $2.75 million. It's believed the Sox will send some of the $2.6 million they received from San Diego last December to Oakland to help facilitate the trade.

With Payton gone and no backup outfielder on the roster, the Red Sox yesterday summoned Rule V selection Adam Stern from Pawtucket. Stern, who missed most of spring training because of a broken thumb and then missed additional time with a pulled hamstring, started in place of Damon in center field last night.

Stern, who was staying in a Pawtucket hotel while on his injury rehab assignment with the PawSox, had his cell phone turned off as team manager Ron Johnson frantically tried to reach him yesterday morning to tell him of his promotion. Eventually, the club had a hotel employee go to his room and knock on his door.

"I packed up real quick," said Stern.

He was surprised to find that he would be in the lineup immediately, a situation made necessary by Damon's aching right shoulder.

"It caught me off guard a little bit," said Stern. "It will be nice to play in a game (right away). I'll just get (his major-league debut) out of the way and not think too much about it."

As a Rule V pick, Stern must stay on the major-league roster all season. If not, he would then be placed on waivers and offered back to the Atlanta Braves, from whom the Sox drafted him last December.

"All I can do is play," he said. "Someone else makes those decisions."

Francona said Stern "definitely throws very well. He has a strong arm and knows how to throw. He can play all three outfield positions and he's very good defensively. The adjustment to major-league pitching is always a question mark.

"This will be a test for him, but I think he can help us win games because of his glove and his baserunning."

Glory's Sun · 07-08-2005, 12:47 PM

Thanks for the article and heads up. I just need to do some name searching and come up with how I feel about this

kutulu · 07-08-2005, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dylanmarsh

Regarding Curt, here is a perfect example of why he should not be coming out of the 'pen:

I don't like the idea of using pitch count data to make that prediction. Look through a few years of splits and you'll see that the numbers for pitch count groupings vary widely from year to year. You also have to consider the fact that this would be against the top hitters from each team.

To me it's worth about as much as using a player's BA w/ RISP assess his value (very little).

dylanmarsh · 07-08-2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kutulu

I don't like the idea of using pitch count data to make that prediction. Look through a few years of splits and you'll see that the numbers for pitch count groupings vary widely from year to year. You also have to consider the fact that this would be against the top hitters from each team.

To me it's worth about as much as using a player's BA w/ RISP assess his value (very little).

I agree with you to an extent but the real point I was trying to make is that Curt preforms better, as most starters do, once they settle down into a groove. The pitch 1-15 stats show that Curt is prone to getting roughed-up in his first to second innings of work, which isn't really great if he's gonna try to close for the Sox. If he's gotta be in the 'pen, I'd use him for long relief instead of replacing Foulke.

SmyDnBz · 07-10-2005, 06:34 PM

3 of 4 from the Indians....not too shabby, if not for a horrible start by Darrell May they sweep. The Sox stumbled against the O's setting up a good series with the Yankees, I can't wait. I will say though, Hafner wasn't hitting like his usual self until the lsat two games of the series, which the Yankees had trouble with....so I'm feeling lucky.

I still find it funny that people said the Yankees were dead when the Sox were playing just bad as us

.

The O's play Seattle so if I were a Boston fan I'd be worried about them taking over first place.

djtestudo · 07-10-2005, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SmyDnBz

I still find it funny that people said the Yankees were dead when the Sox were playing just bad as us

How about those who thought the O's were dead after the Yankees' series? AND we're getting both Bedard and Javy Lopez back soon.

BTW, how can you live in Westminster and be a Yankees fan?

Glory's Sun · 07-11-2005, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SmyDnBz

The O's play Seattle so if I were a Boston fan I'd be worried about them taking over first place.

I'm not really worried if the O's take over first place. There's <i>ALOT</i> of baseball left to play and I just don't think the O's will be there in the end. We'll see what happens though.

here's something I wish would come true:

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According to the Boston Herald, Kevin Millar is content with
his current role with the Red Sox and denied a report that indicated
he has requested a trade. "I haven't said anything," Millar told the
newspaper. "I don't know where it came from. I enjoy baseball. I love
it here. I love Sox Nation."

When the Red Sox acquired first baseman John Olerud in May, Millar
made no secret of his disillusionment -- fearing his playing time
would be drastically cut. But manager Terry Francona has given the
vast majority of starts to Millar, while substituting Olerud for
late-inning defense.

Millar is hitting better (after a sluggish start to the season), and
wasn't surprised to hear his name mentioned in a trade rumor involving
the Astros. "We're all out there," he said. "I haven't heard anything
but they keep a lot from the players. ... If they can trade Nomar
Garciaparra, they can trade anybody."

the part I want to come true is the Astro's being dumb enough to take Millar.

kutulu · 07-11-2005, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

the part I want to come true is the Astro's being dumb enough to take Millar.

There are few 1B that have worse with the bat than Millar. At his best he's only an average hitting 1B. He has the worst OPS of all qualified 1B this season. You could put up with his hitting if he was a SS but 1B is a power position.

Houston could bite though. Bagwell won't be back for a while and Lamb really sucks.

Glory's Sun · 07-11-2005, 11:06 AM

I hope they do. That looks like the only market there is for him. Who knows. I still don't understand why Olerud doesn't get a majority of the starts. Francona ought to be smart enough to realize how bad Millar is playing.. maybe he feels he owes Millar a chance?? (Mark Bellhorn anyone?)

SmyDnBz · 07-11-2005, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by djtestudo

BTW, how can you live in Westminster and be a Yankees fan?

Good thing I don't get asked this question much

No, I've always been a fan of the Yankees....and having family from that region doesn't hurt either. It's not my fault I was born towards the tail end of the Yankee dark age.

and yes, I agree that people thought the O's were dead but I figured that with the record they had against Boston this year, they'd be able to straighten themselves out.

djtestudo · 07-11-2005, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SmyDnBz

Good thing I don't get asked this question much

No, I've always been a fan of the Yankees....and having family from that region doesn't hurt either. It's not my fault I was born towards the tail end of the Yankee dark age.

Ok, well you at least have an excuse

Don't worry, I just find it fun to screw around with the Yankee fans

Glory's Sun · 07-12-2005, 05:54 AM

So Brett Boone goes to the Twins. I kinda thought Boston would try to get him. :shrug:

dylanmarsh · 07-13-2005, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

So Brett Boone goes to the Twins. I kinda thought Boston would try to get him. :shrug:

The Bellhorn versus Boone debate is really not even. Boone's numbers have been horrible in recent years and one has to wonder if the steroid rumors are true. Now mind you, Bellhorn has been horrible this year with the exception of a few bright spots here and there. Personally, I'd rather see Bellhorn stay in there and not disrupt the idiot mentality.

Unlike the MFYs, second base is not a big problem for the Sox. The bullpen and the blow-up doll at first base are the biggest holes on the team (no pun intended).

Glory's Sun · 07-13-2005, 09:15 AM

So why isn't Olerud getting more starts?? Does Francona owe Millar something??

dylanmarsh · 07-13-2005, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

So why isn't Olerud getting more starts?? Does Francona owe Millar something??

No fucking clue on this one. My only guess is that Tito wants to keep the leftie-rightie thing going throughout the line-up.

Millar needs to go. Yes, he had the walk against Mariano that led to Dave Roberts's steal. But this 2005 and he sucks ass. Time to go for fat-boy.

Glory's Sun · 07-14-2005, 08:12 AM

Tito needs to man up then. He needs to tell Millar to sit. Now that Curt is activated.. it's gonna be interesting to watch. We may need the defense.. enter Olerud.

Tonight is game 1 vs the skanks.

dylanmarsh · 07-14-2005, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

Tonight is game 1 vs the skanks.

I think the MFYs realize their season is coming down to winning this series. If they lose 3 of 4 or get swept, they are done. It should be a great series, especially with Arroyo pitching tonight. I'd love to see him nail A-Rod in the back again and watch Tek take the primadona down.

Glory's Sun · 07-14-2005, 10:20 AM

oh man that would rock beyond belief!

djtestudo · 07-14-2005, 11:24 AM

Boston sweep of the Yankees and an Orioles sweep of the Mariners.

Get the Yankees out of the way so the good teams can fight it out.

Glory's Sun · 07-14-2005, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by djtestudo

Get the Yankees out of the way so the good teams can fight it out.

so I guess you're going for a repeat of last years WS then

Glory's Sun · 07-15-2005, 06:35 AM

:grumble: Well ... damn. I don't know what to say really. I'm disappointed that's for sure. We drop another game late. Fuck

SmyDnBz · 07-15-2005, 12:14 PM

Finally, I have some time to post, I'm pumped about the win last night......although tonight is a different matter, I sense a high scoring affair. I'm not sold on Schilling being so ineffective out of the bullpen, it was his first time out and he got hit by two great hitters....I'll take it

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Originally Posted by djtestudo

Ok, well you at least have an excuse

Don't worry, I just find it fun to screw around with the Yankee fans

It's alright, I've had fun with enough O's fans to take some of it back

dylanmarsh · 07-15-2005, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

:grumble: Well ... damn. I don't know what to say really. I'm disappointed that's for sure. We drop another game late. Fuck

Don't worry about it, man. As last year's playoffs proved, one loss (or three) is not the end of the world. The Sox will bounce back and take this division.

kutulu · 07-15-2005, 01:40 PM

It's one outing for Curt so it doesn't say anything about him being sucessfull during his short relief stint. However, one thing was apparant and that is that his velocity is way down. I didn't see the game but I heard he topped out at 91 and most of his FBs were in the 87-88 range. That's not good.

I came across this also and it doesn't look good either:

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Curt Schilling - S - Red Sox

Television analysts offered some interesting insight into Curt Schilling's appearance in the ninth inning of last night's game.

Rick Sutcliffe, on ESPN2, quickly analyzed that Schilling wasn't pushing off the rubber effectively with his surgically repaired ankle, saying he ''had no drive at all.'' ''I'd be surprised if he's thrown in this role again,'' he went on to say. ''He's not ready to pitch at this level.'' Dennis Eckersley offered his thoughts after the game as well. ''Throwing the splitter shows there's no confidence in your gas [fastball],'' he said. Jul. 15 - 9:56 am et
Source: Boston Globe

dylanmarsh · 07-15-2005, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kutulu

I came across this also and it doesn't look good either:

My God, did you really quote Sutcliffe on knowing anything about baseball?!?

pan6467 · 08-23-2005, 07:10 PM

CLEVELAND ROCKS......... #1 A.L. WILDCARD SEED

As the Chisux choke and the A's fall apart who's there????????

Cleveland

As the Spankees egos take over and they decide not to play as a team.... who's there??????

CLEVELAND

The Jake is coming alive in 2005, and the Indians have the pitching, the hitting and the attitude to take it all baby.

1994 before the strike Cleveland was in the same spot..... and who knows what could have happened... 11 years later Cleveland has the team that everyone else is envious of and this time it has the pitching.

2006 BABY A REPEAT OF 1995 EXCEPT WITH A BETTER OUTCOME THE W.S. RINGS and another 5-6 year run of owning the A.L.

dylanmarsh · 08-24-2005, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by pan6467

CLEVELAND ROCKS......... #1 A.L. WILDCARD SEED

As the Chisux choke and the A's fall apart who's there????????

Cleveland

As the Spankees egos take over and they decide not to play as a team.... who's there??????

CLEVELAND

The Jake is coming alive in 2005, and the Indians have the pitching, the hitting and the attitude to take it all baby.

1994 before the strike Cleveland was in the same spot..... and who knows what could have happened... 11 years later Cleveland has the team that everyone else is envious of and this time it has the pitching.

2006 BABY A REPEAT OF 1995 EXCEPT WITH A BETTER OUTCOME THE W.S. RINGS and another 5-6 year run of owning the A.L.

Insanity, just pure insanity.

pan6467 · 09-11-2005, 05:31 PM

WHOOMP there they are

WHOOMP there they are

CLEVELAND ROCKS BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It sounds like freaking Joe Morgan (who is an icon for his play in Cincy), just can't stand the fact CLEVELAND ROCKS. He sounds so bad, so unintelligent about Cleveland's team.

Course he is a lousy announcer.

dylanmarsh · 09-12-2005, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pan6467

WHOOMP there they are

WHOOMP there they are

CLEVELAND ROCKS BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It sounds like freaking Joe Morgan (who is an icon for his play in Cincy), just can't stand the fact CLEVELAND ROCKS. He sounds so bad, so unintelligent about Cleveland's team.

Course he is a lousy announcer.

Don't consider me on the bandwagon, but I would love to see the Tribe stave-off the MFYs for the Wildcard. Purely selfish reason, but, nonetheless, I'll be pulling for the Witchita State's own Casey Blake and rest to beat the Yanks.

Glory's Sun · 09-12-2005, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dylanmarsh

Don't consider me on the bandwagon, but I would love to see the Tribe stave-off the MFYs for the Wildcard. Purely selfish reason, but, nonetheless, I'll be pulling for the Witchita State's own Casey Blake and rest to beat the Yanks.

same here..

if they can keep the skankees outs.. I'd be all for givin the tribe a big ol' whoopin

pan6467 · 09-12-2005, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

same here..

if they can keep the skankees outs.. I'd be all for givin the tribe a big ol' whoopin

Don't look now but the Tribe is closing in on the ever faltering ChiSux, and have the 4th best record in baseball and the best since the all star game....

WHOOMP THERE IT IS......

Bring on the Bosux..... maybe Manny will get homesick and come home to Cleveland (via trade after the season) annd I'm sure Philly would love to dump Thome.....

Oh wait..... WE DON'T NEED THEM..............

07-07-2005, 03:51 PM	#84 (permalink)
goddfather40 Llama Location: Cali-for-nye-a	Alex Cora is a good pickup for the Sox. Great defensive middle infielder and not half bad with the stick either, though his average sucks. Probably having trouble adjusting to the AL pitching. Remember that 18 pitch at bat last year which culminated in a home run? I won't soon forget that. __________________ My name is goddfather40 and I approved this message. I got ho's and I got bitches, In C++ I branch with switches -MC Plus+

07-14-2005, 11:24 AM	#108 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	Boston sweep of the Yankees and an Orioles sweep of the Mariners. Get the Yankees out of the way so the good teams can fight it out. __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

08-23-2005, 07:10 PM	#115 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	CLEVELAND ROCKS......... #1 A.L. WILDCARD SEED As the Chisux choke and the A's fall apart who's there???????? Cleveland As the Spankees egos take over and they decide not to play as a team.... who's there?????? CLEVELAND The Jake is coming alive in 2005, and the Indians have the pitching, the hitting and the attitude to take it all baby. 1994 before the strike Cleveland was in the same spot..... and who knows what could have happened... 11 years later Cleveland has the team that everyone else is envious of and this time it has the pitching. 2006 BABY A REPEAT OF 1995 EXCEPT WITH A BETTER OUTCOME THE W.S. RINGS and another 5-6 year run of owning the A.L. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

09-11-2005, 05:31 PM	#117 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	WHOOMP there they are WHOOMP there they are CLEVELAND ROCKS BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It sounds like freaking Joe Morgan (who is an icon for his play in Cincy), just can't stand the fact CLEVELAND ROCKS. He sounds so bad, so unintelligent about Cleveland's team. Course he is a lousy announcer. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" Last edited by pan6467; 09-11-2005 at 05:49 PM..

07-07-2005, 11:41 AM	#81 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	I'm sorry (yes this is going to sound cruel) but I couldn't care less what's wrong with him. He deserves it for all the shit he put on other people. He made people feel like shit, he didn't care about people and he boasted about it. Now it's his turn to be shit on.

07-07-2005, 12:14 PM	#82 (permalink)
dylanmarsh Sleepy Head	Here's the latest: Ramon Vazquez to Cleveland for Alex Cora Jay Payton has been designated for assignment Also Peter Gammons' nuggets of info on ESPNEWS: -Sox looking at a bullpen pitcher for Jay Payton -There is no market for Millar right now, source of controversy in the clubhouse -Eddie Guardado won't go to Boston -Sox will not trade one of 5 top prospects for a RP

07-07-2005, 12:22 PM	#83 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	No market for Millar is sort of an understatement isn't it?

07-08-2005, 06:45 AM	#85 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	Now the buzz is all about Curt being a reliever for the Sox. I don't like the idea at all. That's not his role. That's not his style. Sure it worked for Smoltz but I don't see it working for Shill at all. Curt needs way too many warm up pitches to get loose. I can see Arroyo doing some but don't like that much either. The Sox are just gonna have to come off some money and make a good deal late. I'd rather have Curt as an ace any day and I think he deserves to keep that role given what he did for the Sox last season.

07-08-2005, 08:16 AM	#87 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	I'd really hate to see Arroyo go but I also didn't want Cabrera to go. Now I'm glad he did go. I read a Page 2 article that called the BoSox players idiots for not wanting Curt to be a closer. Why is that idioic? They know how Curt can pitch and they know what his style is like. I think the author of the article is an idiot. How's them apples? Anyway, I'm getting anxious to see what Theo is going to do. I know there's time left and Theo will pull something out of his ass but damn, this suspense is almost as bad as Game 4 of the ALCS.

07-08-2005, 09:12 AM	#89 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	From what I see (you may want to correct me on this) but it seems like Curt is <i>wanting</i> to pitch relief. I don't understand wtf he's thinking. I'm wondering if he just wants to help the team out so badly that he'll take what he can get for now. Who knows. Those are some great numbers you posted. I hope that Theo and the rest of the management is looking at those very closely before they decide to do something stupid. Hell I'd rather get Pedro back before I saw Curt as a closer.

07-08-2005, 12:47 PM	#91 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	Thanks for the article and heads up. I just need to do some name searching and come up with how I feel about this

07-10-2005, 06:34 PM	#94 (permalink)
SmyDnBz Upright	3 of 4 from the Indians....not too shabby, if not for a horrible start by Darrell May they sweep. The Sox stumbled against the O's setting up a good series with the Yankees, I can't wait. I will say though, Hafner wasn't hitting like his usual self until the lsat two games of the series, which the Yankees had trouble with....so I'm feeling lucky. I still find it funny that people said the Yankees were dead when the Sox were playing just bad as us . The O's play Seattle so if I were a Boston fan I'd be worried about them taking over first place.

07-11-2005, 11:06 AM	#98 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	I hope they do. That looks like the only market there is for him. Who knows. I still don't understand why Olerud doesn't get a majority of the starts. Francona ought to be smart enough to realize how bad Millar is playing.. maybe he feels he owes Millar a chance?? (Mark Bellhorn anyone?)

07-12-2005, 05:54 AM	#101 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	So Brett Boone goes to the Twins. I kinda thought Boston would try to get him. :shrug:

07-13-2005, 09:15 AM	#103 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	So why isn't Olerud getting more starts?? Does Francona owe Millar something??

07-14-2005, 08:12 AM	#105 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	Tito needs to man up then. He needs to tell Millar to sit. Now that Curt is activated.. it's gonna be interesting to watch. We may need the defense.. enter Olerud. Tonight is game 1 vs the skanks.

07-14-2005, 10:20 AM	#107 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	oh man that would rock beyond belief!

07-15-2005, 06:35 AM	#110 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	:grumble: Well ... damn. I don't know what to say really. I'm disappointed that's for sure. We drop another game late. Fuck