Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community  

Go Back   Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community > Interests > Tilted Sports


View Poll Results: Super Bowl winner
Pittsburgh Steelers 23 31.51%
New England Patriots 38 52.05%
Atlanta Falcons 6 8.22%
Philadelphia Eagles 6 8.22%
Voters: 73. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 01-18-2005, 09:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
Dumb all over...a little ugly on the side
 
Sion's Avatar
 
Location: In the room where the giant fire puffer works, and the torture never stops.
So, who do you see winning the SB?

place your vote for the SB winner
__________________
He's the best, of course, of all the worst.
Some wrong been done, he done it first. -fz

I jus' want ta thank you...falettinme...be mice elf...agin...
Sion is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 09:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
Take my hand
 
Location: Everywhere, but nowhere
I just can't go against the Patriots. The defending champs always seem to find a way to win.
__________________
The only thing I'll ever ask of you... you gotta promise not to stop when I say when.
present_future is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 10:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
Crazy
 
munchen's Avatar
 
Location: Sudbury, Ontario
After what they did to the colts I can't imagine anybody beating the pats
__________________
"Love is a perky elf dancing a merry little jig and then suddenly he turns on you with a miniature machine gun" -Matt Groening
munchen is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 10:14 PM   #4 (permalink)
Baltimoron
 
djtestudo's Avatar
 
Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD
If the Falcons make it I'll be rooting for them, but I do think the Patriots won it last week.
__________________
"Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen."
--Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun
djtestudo is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 10:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
Insane
 
FlatLand Flyer's Avatar
 
Location: Eastern, WA
I want to see the Steelers to it, but my brain keeps telling me that Pats will win it all.
FlatLand Flyer is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 04:07 AM   #6 (permalink)
Women want me. Men fear me.
 
crewsor's Avatar
 
Location: Maryland,USA
I think the Steelers and the Eagles are done this week, and the Pats will win the big one again.
__________________
We all have wings, some of us just don't know why.
crewsor is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 04:51 AM   #7 (permalink)
Psycho
 
Devoid's Avatar
 
Location: Floating amongst the ether
The Falcons are my favorite team that's left, but I just know that the Pats can destroy the other three teams. So I voted Pats.
__________________
We're here to steal your pornography, and sodomize our vast imaginations. - Inignot
Devoid is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 06:45 AM   #8 (permalink)
Squid
 
MikeyChalupa's Avatar
 
Location: USS George Washington
Same here, Devoid. I'd love to see Vick win one, and he will by the time he's done. This year though the Pats are just too strong. Philly and Pittsburgh will choke in the title games, and barring major injury, the Pats will steamroll the Falcons.

-Mikey
MikeyChalupa is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 06:51 AM   #9 (permalink)
Devoted
 
Redlemon's Avatar
 
Donor
Location: New England
I'm voting for my Patriots, but I'd enjoy watching Pittsburgh win as well. Whoever wins that game takes the Superbowl.
__________________
I can't read your signature. Sorry.
Redlemon is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 07:45 AM   #10 (permalink)
Psycho
 
vox_rox's Avatar
 
Location: Comfy Little Bungalow
Well, last week I would have said the Steelers, but I think the Pats have it way more together, they are looking pretty good.

Of course, Atlanta is my team, and I always hope that they'll do well, which they have - way above my expectations. Will they win the SB? Not likely. Do I WANT them to win the SB? Oh Yeah!

Patriots will win - Go FALCONS!

Peace,

Pierre
__________________
---
There is no such thing as strong coffee - only weak people.
---
vox_rox is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 08:01 AM   #11 (permalink)
Psycho
 
Location: Ciudad De La Furia
Patriots all the way!!
__________________
Siempre es Hoy
Fantasma is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 08:59 AM   #12 (permalink)
Dumb all over...a little ugly on the side
 
Sion's Avatar
 
Location: In the room where the giant fire puffer works, and the torture never stops.
I guess none of you people saw the way the Steelers MAULED the Patriots on Halloween (34-20).
__________________
He's the best, of course, of all the worst.
Some wrong been done, he done it first. -fz

I jus' want ta thank you...falettinme...be mice elf...agin...
Sion is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 09:03 AM   #13 (permalink)
Devoted
 
Redlemon's Avatar
 
Donor
Location: New England
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sion
I guess none of you people saw the way the Steelers MAULED the Patriots on Halloween (34-20).
1. Cory was injured just before the game, and he's hugely important to the Pats' offense.
2. Ty Law was injured early in the game, and it was too late to plan around that hole in the defense.
3. Miami (!) also mauled the Patriots. Weird shit happens, "that's why they play the game". If the Patriots played Miami tomorrow, I don't think that would happen again.

I'm expecting a close game.
__________________
I can't read your signature. Sorry.
Redlemon is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 09:50 AM   #14 (permalink)
The Death Card
 
Ace_O_Spades's Avatar
 
Location: EH!?!?
I voted pats... simply because they are playing playoff quality football right now... They methodically dismantled the colts offense... it was quite impressive
__________________
Feh.
Ace_O_Spades is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 09:52 AM   #15 (permalink)
Dumb all over...a little ugly on the side
 
Sion's Avatar
 
Location: In the room where the giant fire puffer works, and the torture never stops.
1. Dillon will be a non-factor in this game. The Steelers have been playing against him for years and know how to contain him.

2. I'll give you that. However, in the intervening period, they lost another CB and now will have Gay, Poteat and Troy Brown matching up against Ward, Burress and Randle El. Despite what they did to the Colts, that matchup favors the Steelers. OUR receivers are a LOT more physical than the Colts'.

3. True dat. I'm not predicting another blowout. However, the Steelers can and will beat them again.


oh, and I agree that whichever team wins the AFCC will win the SB. Neither Philly nor Atlanta can matchup with the Steelers or Patriots.
__________________
He's the best, of course, of all the worst.
Some wrong been done, he done it first. -fz

I jus' want ta thank you...falettinme...be mice elf...agin...
Sion is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 10:07 AM   #16 (permalink)
Devoted
 
Redlemon's Avatar
 
Donor
Location: New England
And, to reply:

1. The Steelers knew how to stop him as a Bengal, because there was no other offense to distract them from stopping Dillon. The Patriots are much more balanced offensively.

May the best team win! I just wish it was the early game.
__________________
I can't read your signature. Sorry.
Redlemon is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 10:09 AM   #17 (permalink)
#1 Irish Fan
 
heccubusiv's Avatar
 
Location: The Burgh
heart says steelers, but the Pats are amazing, the winner of the AFC will win it
__________________
Fuck Ohio
heccubusiv is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 10:47 AM   #18 (permalink)
Sleepy Head
 
dylanmarsh's Avatar
 
I still maintain the Pats will win it all.

It's getting to the point, now, that some team out there is going to have to craft their roster and schemes just to get by New England; much the way the Red Sox were custom-built to defeat the Yankees in baseball. Until a team does that, I don't see the Patriots losing anytime soon. The Steelers-Pats game will be tight and it will probably come down to the kickers. If that ends up being the case, I'll take Vinatieri over Reed, any day.

BTW, why do people keep harping on regular season match-ups? This is the playoffs, people. A game in October has no bearing on Sunday's game -- talk to Peyton and Colts about the regular season games and stats.
dylanmarsh is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 11:05 AM   #19 (permalink)
Insane
 
Location: In beautiful (YOUR AREA)
Im gettin on the Falcons bandwagon for this one. Inside/Outside i belive they will take it all.
ToiletDuck is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 11:09 AM   #20 (permalink)
Devoted
 
Redlemon's Avatar
 
Donor
Location: New England
Quote:
Originally Posted by dylanmarsh
It's getting to the point, now, that some team out there is going to have to craft their roster and schemes just to get by New England; much the way the Red Sox were custom-built to defeat the Yankees in baseball. Until a team does that, I don't see the Patriots losing anytime soon.
What about when the Pats lose their offensive and defensive coordinators? That is going to hurt.
__________________
I can't read your signature. Sorry.
Redlemon is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 11:40 AM   #21 (permalink)
The Death Card
 
Ace_O_Spades's Avatar
 
Location: EH!?!?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redlemon
What about when the Pats lose their offensive and defensive coordinators? That is going to hurt.
I was thinking the same thing... It's going to have a huge impact... But time will tell... they might pick up some talent, you can never tell with the NFL
__________________
Feh.
Ace_O_Spades is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 12:31 PM   #22 (permalink)
Bang bang
 
Spartak's Avatar
 
Location: New Zealand
Boring boring Patriots.
__________________
I can read your mind... looking at you... I can read your mind...
Spartak is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 02:23 PM   #23 (permalink)
Winner
 
I think Philly will pull off the upset over whoever makes it out of Pittsburgh alive (probably the Patriots). I think the Eagles will continue to band together without TO and McNabb will lead the team to a close victory.
maximusveritas is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 03:47 PM   #24 (permalink)
Junkie
 
It's definitely going to be whoever wins the AFCC. I think Pittsburgh has edge in that one.
__________________
"Fuck these chains
No goddamn slave
I will be different"
~ Machine Head
spectre is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 04:53 PM   #25 (permalink)
Sarge of Blood Gulch Red Outpost Number One
 
archer2371's Avatar
 
Location: On the front lines against our very enemy
Pittsburgh, I think they've got a better running game and defense.
__________________
"This ain't no Ice Cream Social!"

"Hey Grif, Chupathingy...how bout that? I like it...got a ring to it."

"I have no earthly idea what it is I just saw, or what this place is, or where in the hell O'Malley is! My only choice is to blame Grif for coming up with such a flawed plan. Stupid, stupid Grif."
archer2371 is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 07:58 PM   #26 (permalink)
Psycho
 
Location: IOWA
Bradey has convinced me after the way his team played against the Colts, unless the Steelers can beat him they are going to win it all.
drakers is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 08:06 PM   #27 (permalink)
Insane
 
sgn43's Avatar
 
Location: Los Angeles
as hard as it is picking against the Pats, I have to give the Steelers the nod. seems these guys are guided by fate and after the Jets game, it seems like they have divine intervention on their side, heh.


I'll definitely say that the AFC Champ is as good as the NFL Champ once they're crowned, and I think that Pittsburgh will take it.
__________________
To be great is to be misunderstood. -Emerson
sgn43 is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 08:49 PM   #28 (permalink)
Registered User
 
sixate's Avatar
 
Location: Somewhere in Ohio
I hope the Steelers do, only because I like Big Ben.
Gonna be tough to be the Pats twice in one year, but I think they can do it. People seem to forget they have home field advantage.
sixate is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 10:18 PM   #29 (permalink)
Dumb all over...a little ugly on the side
 
Sion's Avatar
 
Location: In the room where the giant fire puffer works, and the torture never stops.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dylanmarsh
BTW, why do people keep harping on regular season match-ups? This is the playoffs, people. A game in October has no bearing on Sunday's game -- talk to Peyton and Colts about the regular season games and stats.
I can only speak for myself, but I bring it up simply to point out that the Steelers were able to do it once (and in a VERY convincing fashion) which suggests that it can be done again.

here are the reasons why I expect the Steelers to win this game.

1. Home field advantage
2. Ben Roethlisberger (yeah, I know he stunk up the joint against the Jets. And thats EXACTLY why I expect him to play well against NE.)
3. Dick LeBeau: defensive coordinator extraordinaire.
4. The backup factor: the Steelers and the Pats have both had numerous injuries to key personnel throughout the season. and in each case, the backups have stepped up and played phenominally. but Pittsburgh's have been more impressive, IMHO.
5. Matchups: the on-field matchups favor the Steelers. To wit:

Pitt Oline vs NE front 7 - advantage Steelers
NE Oline vs Pitt front 7 - advantage Steelers (slight)
Pitt passing game vs NE secondary - advantage Steelers
NE passing game vs Pitt secondary - even or slight advantage NE

6. The coaching matchup favors NE. No one in his/her right mind disputes this. However, I think that, despite this, it is Cowher's time to shine. I've been all over his ass the past 5 years, but even I have to admit he's done a damned good job this year. I think he just might have learned enough to get over the hump. If events prove me wrong, then it will just further cement my opinion of Cowher as the perfect example of the Peter Principle.
7. The X factor: typically, a Cowher coached playoff team comes out and annihilates the first opponent it sees, then lays an egg the next game. Looks like a reverse situation this year. They sucked rocks vs the Jets and won anyway. NE "could" be in for a LONG afternoon.
8. The revenge/disrespect factor. Despite finishing the regular season with the BEST record in the entire NFL, despite having TROUNCED both the Pats and Eagles in back to back weekends earlier in the season, despite having home field advantage (where they are undefeated this season) and despite the fact that they have the BEST defense in the league, Pittsburgh is a 3 pint underdog to the Pats and 95% of all the media pundits are predicting a NE victory. Think that wouldnt put a burr under YOUR saddle? I know it would mine and I guarantee it has to the Steelers.
9. There are ways to beat the Patriots at their own game and Pittsburgh has assembled a team that can and has been doing it all season. Those ways are: run well, defend the run well, eat the clock, harass the QB.
10. Finally, and most importantly: because the football GODS owe me this one, DAMMIT!
__________________
He's the best, of course, of all the worst.
Some wrong been done, he done it first. -fz

I jus' want ta thank you...falettinme...be mice elf...agin...
Sion is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 11:24 PM   #30 (permalink)
Baltimoron
 
djtestudo's Avatar
 
Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD
For the record on the Steelers being able to contain Corey Dillion, he's averaged just about 4.2 YPC against them since 1999 (since that's the earliest NFL.com has gamle logs for).

Also, I'm suprised no one has mentioned this stat since it's been all over ESPN this week: Bill Belichek is 13-0 against quarterbacks the second time he faces them.
__________________
"Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen."
--Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun
djtestudo is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 11:26 PM   #31 (permalink)
Banned
 
Rdr4evr's Avatar
 
Honestly, I hate every team left except Philly, if Philly is not in, forget it, I don't want to even watch (even though I still probably will). I just HOPE that the fucking Patsies get killed this weekend, who the hell wants to see their lame ass in the SB again? Not me, that's for damn sure, I despise them. I also hate Atlanta, so basically this is how it sums up for me: if it's NE VS Atl, I will root for Atl, if it's Pit VS Atl, I will root for Pitt, if it's NE VS Philly, I will root for Philly, if it's Pit VS Philly, I will root for Philly. Either way, I think the AFC will kill the NFC no matter who plays who. So to answer your question, I'm still going to say Pittsburgh, although my gut tells me otherwise.
Rdr4evr is offline  
Old 01-20-2005, 01:30 AM   #32 (permalink)
Insane
 
sgn43's Avatar
 
Location: Los Angeles
Quote:
Originally Posted by djtestudo
Also, I'm suprised no one has mentioned this stat since it's been all over ESPN this week: Bill Belichek is 13-0 against quarterbacks the second time he faces them.

If we're gonna go with statistics...then, Big Ben has ZERO losses as a starter It's your classic match up of the unstoppable force and the immovable object coming together. I think the fact that Dillon is playing in this game will make a difference, but I have a gut feeling the Steelers are going all the way. As I mentioned earlier, it's almost like these guys have fate on their side. By all accounts, they should be sitting at home watching this game on TV, but for some reasoan the football gods decided the Jets kicks to win the game would not connect.
__________________
To be great is to be misunderstood. -Emerson
sgn43 is offline  
Old 01-20-2005, 01:50 AM   #33 (permalink)
Bang bang
 
Spartak's Avatar
 
Location: New Zealand
The unstopabble force always wins.. according to Madden
__________________
I can read your mind... looking at you... I can read your mind...
Spartak is offline  
Old 01-20-2005, 04:14 AM   #34 (permalink)
Devoted
 
Redlemon's Avatar
 
Donor
Location: New England
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sion
10. Finally, and most importantly: because the football GODS owe me this one, DAMMIT!
Best. Reason. Ever.
__________________
I can't read your signature. Sorry.
Redlemon is offline  
Old 01-20-2005, 04:35 AM   #35 (permalink)
Women want me. Men fear me.
 
crewsor's Avatar
 
Location: Maryland,USA
Before last weeks games, I would have given the Steelers a slight edge against the Pats. But after seeing how the Steelers struggled to eke out a win over the Jets, and watching New England destroy the Colts, I can't imagine Pittsburgh defeating New England this week. Even with home field advantage. It would seem Big Ben peaked a little early, and is looking more like a rookie Q.B. come playoff time.
__________________
We all have wings, some of us just don't know why.
crewsor is offline  
Old 01-20-2005, 06:18 AM   #36 (permalink)
"I'm sorry. What was the question?"
 
Daoust's Avatar
 
Location: Paradise Regained
I think it's easy to forget that Big Ben is a rookie, specifically because he's not playing like one. But the Big Show is generally (though not always) won by the veterans, who in this case will be the Patsies. I really like Pburgh, and I think Cowther deserves a win, but it rarely happens that the team I like wins.
__________________
I have faith in a few things - divinity and grace
But even when I'm on my knees I know the devil preys
Daoust is offline  
Old 01-20-2005, 07:28 AM   #37 (permalink)
will always be an Alyson Hanniganite
 
Bill O'Rights's Avatar
 
Location: In the dust of the archives
The Pats are good. Damn good. But, I'm a diehard Steeler fan. I'm sticking by them.

We're from the town with that great football team,
We cheer the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Chuck Noll and all his friends are all on the field.
Go out and get them Steelers.

Bradshaw, and Rocky, and Franco and Lynn,
We love you Pittsburgh Steelers.
It's been many years in coming,
just keep that Steelers machinery humming

Defense, Defense, make them scramble, intercept that ball.
Defense, Defense, keeps the Steelers always best of all!
Mean Joe, Mean Joe, do your thing against the other team,
You start from year to year, we're so glad you play here,
Now join with me, and sing the Steelers cheer-er-ER!

We're from the town with that great football team,
We cheer the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Winning's a habit, not only a dream,
Go out and get them Steelers!

Gerela's Gorrilas are here for the show,
and so is Franco's Army,
It's been many years in coming,
just keep that Steelers machinery humming.

Offense, Offense, take that football whole way up the field!
Offense, Offense, let's score and score and never ever yield!
Franco, Franco, can you believe we have a running game?

The Steelers are so great, and so hard to overrate,
Good things, will come, to those who work and wait.


Yeah...the song's a little dated, but I'll still be waving one of theses:


Wishing that I could get some of this:


[img] http://www.robrogers.com/gallery/mis...le%20Towel.jpg [/img]
__________________
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony

"Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus

It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt.

Last edited by Bill O'Rights; 01-20-2005 at 07:49 AM..
Bill O'Rights is offline  
Old 01-20-2005, 11:25 AM   #38 (permalink)
Psycho
 
Location: Rhode Island biatches!
I'll be cheering the pats on again. Steelers should be a tough team to beat though, but then again the colts were supposed to be tough to beat so who knows. I just want a patriots dynasty =P
__________________
"We do what we like and we like what we do!"~andrew Wk

Procrastinate now, don't put off to the last minute.
The_wall is offline  
Old 01-21-2005, 02:23 AM   #39 (permalink)
Insane
 
sgn43's Avatar
 
Location: Los Angeles
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartak
The unstopabble force always wins.. according to Madden

haha. and which team would represent the unstoppable force according to Madden?


but really, forget the super bowl, let's talk more about the girl in the avatar. is that trish whatever-her-last-name-is?


Quote:
Originally Posted by The_wall
I'll be cheering the pats on again. Steelers should be a tough team to beat though, but then again the colts were supposed to be tough to beat so who knows. I just want a patriots dynasty =P

I think you can consider the Pats a dynasty already. in today's pro sports, two championships is worth about 5 in the old days, before free agency and all the other money-driven insanity in the game destroyed teams playing JUST to win and played for themselves AND their teammates. now, there's no telling who will be around for the next go around, and everyone is worried just about themself and if they get their paycheck. if the Pats do beat the Steelers, I'd definitely root for them to keep this going for a while. it'd be interesting to see how far they can take this.


but backtracking just a bit, I just saw on an ESPN piece that Keith Brooking of the Atlanta Falcons is one of only TWO players left over from the Falcon team that reached the Super Bowl in 1999. it's just crazy to me that in a mere 5-6 seasons, almost the entire team is gone.
__________________
To be great is to be misunderstood. -Emerson
sgn43 is offline  
Old 01-21-2005, 07:59 AM   #40 (permalink)
Boy am I horny today
 
absorbentishe's Avatar
 
Location: T O L E D O, Toledo!!
I have trouble picking against the Steelers. At home, good ground game, best D in the NFL. Yes, Ben had a rough game last week, he'll bounce back. He is only needed to throw 20 times a game, and if he can complete 16 or 17 of those, then it's a no brainer. If the Pats can take the running game out of it (will not do), then they'll win.
absorbentishe is offline  
 

Tags
so, winning

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:23 AM.

Tilted Forum Project

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
© 2002-2012 Tilted Forum Project

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360