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soxsfans · 07-27-2003, 05:21 AM

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I know a Sox fan is not complaining about money. You guys have a pretty high payroll too. Difference is that Soriano, Jeter, Pettite, Williams, and Posada were all developed in the Yankee farm system. Sure we have to pay to keep them, but it is not like the Yanks don't have any development. Look at who they have traded out of their system...Lowell and Milton to name two. The Sox spend money just like the Yankees, they just spend it in the wrong places. I guess letting Clemens go was a good move, huh?

First Soriano was bought as a minor league FA after spending a season or 2 in Japan. Other teams (A's) supposedly would not even go the workouts because "if he is any good, we can't outbid the Yankees, if the Yankess don't bid, then he is no good".

$185 million payroll this year (ith Benefits), then next closest team is the mets at something like $116m. But its not about the $$$.

tronims · 07-27-2003, 09:30 AM

All I want/need to say is "NOMAH IS BETTER."

izzzzy · 07-27-2003, 10:00 AM

i just bought a hat from dunkin donuts' "the 100 year rivalry" boston vs. new york

Mondak · 07-27-2003, 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by soxsfans
$185 million payroll this year (ith Benefits), then next closest team is the mets at something like $116m. But its not about the $$$.

Look up the middle on the team though.

Posada Catching
Petitte SP
Rivera RP
Jeter SS
Soriano 2b
Bernie Baseball CF

The core of this team is home grown and came up through their minor league system. They just pay to KEEP their good young players and then they build around them.

Also - that thing about Soriano is a cop out. The A's are weak iof they actually said that which I am sure they did not.

thedrake · 07-27-2003, 11:21 AM

George Steinbrener (spelled right? I don't care) is the anti-christ of baseball. Bring on the Red Sox to take him down.

Fagabeefe · 07-27-2003, 11:57 AM

The RED SOX FANS are complaining about the YANKEES not being home grown?

HELLO!

Pedro Martinez (Dodgers)
Manny Ramierez (Indians)
Todd Walker (Twins)
John Burkett (Giants)
Tim Wakefield (Pirates)
Robert Person (Mets)
Derek Lowe (Mariners)
Doug Mirabelli (Giants)
Kevin Millar (Marlins)
Damian Jackson (Indians)
Jeremy Giami (Royals)
Gabe Kapler (Tigers)
Bill Mueller (Giants)
Johnny Damon (Royals)
David Ortiz (Twins)
YOUR ENTIRE FRIKKIN' BULLPEN!!!

Your homegrown talent on your roster is IN TOTAL:

Nomar
Casey Fossum
Trot Nixon
Jason Varitek

THAT'S IT!

So don't come griping to Yankee fans about "buying" a team.

You're just as guilty of it, if not moreso, so get off your circa-1918 milk carton and go cry about Bill Buckner or Mike Torrez or "Hung One" Kim.

And you know what?

Even if you were to somehow WIN the World Series (by some miracle of GOD), you'd still need to win it another TWENTY-THREE times to even have ANY bragging rights over the Yanks.

So until no less than the year 2026, SHUT YOUR FREAKIN' MOUTHS, you whiny buncha bean-eaters!

Fagabeefe · 07-27-2003, 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by thedrake
George Steinbrener (spelled right? I don't care) is the anti-christ of baseball. Bring on the Red Sox to take him down.

Funny, they been trying and FAILING for 30 years now...

And it's Steinbrenner.

Big Stein to you, pal.

soxsfans · 07-28-2003, 06:10 AM

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The RED SOX FANS are complaining about the YANKEES not being home grown?

Not complaining about that at all. This is the age of baseball where you don't have to develop all your own talent.
More like, looking for the acknowledgement that there is a big financial advantage to the Yankees. It has nothing to do with "cheating" or not following the rules (they definitely are following the rules).
I don't care where a player is developed, if you have "up the middle" --- Jeter, Williams, Posada, Mo, Pettite all making $10m+ per year, then you add in Clemens, Mussina, Giambi at over $10m per year to that - then still have money to waste on Contreras and Drew Henson - it is a huge advantage period.

reconmike · 07-28-2003, 09:32 AM

What happened when CBS owned the stankees? Nothing

Why? They didnt spend any money

so yankee fans just stay on your high horse and keep believing it is not about the money, you think red sox fans are they only ones complaining about georigie porgie and his huge pocket book.

all of baseball is complaining about it, but just keep looking at the baseball world through your pin-stripe glasses.

Mondak · 07-28-2003, 09:36 AM

So how did the Angels win the World Series last year smarty?

How do the Mets end up in last every year despite having the 2nd highest payroll?

MikeyChalupa · 07-28-2003, 10:02 AM

New York Mets = $116,253,927 = 2nd highest payroll = Last in their division, 3rd worst record in NL.
Texas Rangers = $106,277,880 = 4th highest payroll = Last in their division, 4th worst record in AL.

Kansas City Royals = $48,475,322 = 4th lowest payroll = First in their division, 5th best record in AL.

-Mikey

Fagabeefe · 07-28-2003, 10:56 AM

As Big Stein pointed out in an interview yesterday, Ain't nobody won nothing yet.

iceman2032 · 07-28-2003, 01:19 PM

Doesn't matter, cause the Giants are winning the World Series this year

soxsfans · 07-28-2003, 03:06 PM

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Kansas City Royals = $48,475,322 = 4th lowest payroll = First in their division, 5th best record in AL.

And how many years did they have to stink to get the very good young talent that they currently have?

MikeyChalupa · 07-29-2003, 05:53 AM

Speaking of the Royals...

Since they joined the league in 1969, they've won 7 division titles, made 7 playoff appearances, won 1 pennant, and one World Series. In the same time, Boston has won 5 division titles, made 7 playoff appearances, won 2 pennants, but NO World Series. So who's had more to show since 1969?

I'll answer for you. It's the YANKEES! 12 division titles, 13 playoff appearances, 8 pennants, 6 World Series.

But hey, take heart. The Sox have something the Yankees will NEVER have. A cute and cuddly mascot!

-Mikey

Mr Scorcex · 07-29-2003, 07:52 PM

Damn you wally!

Explosive · 07-30-2003, 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by Fagabeefe

Your homegrown talent on your roster is IN TOTAL:

Nomar
Casey Fossum
Trot Nixon
Jason Varitek

THAT'S IT!

The Red Sox got Varitek in the trade including Lowe actually.

What a steal that was.

MikeyChalupa · 07-30-2003, 03:03 PM

Don't forget to add Scott Williamson (Reds).

-Mikey

MikeyChalupa · 08-20-2003, 07:17 PM

Yanks lead is now 7 games, the biggest it's been all season. Tonight the Sox blew a 6-2 lead and lost 8-6. They left SEVENTEEN men on base.

Why? Have the Yankees "bought" another one? Must be all those late-season acquisitions, like always. Fuckin' Yanks. It's that damn Aaron Boone. He's hitting .154 since coming to NY. Oh wait, it must not be him. Well, David Delucci is hitting .182. Wait, it must be Jesse Orosco, with his 12.27 ERA. Ah! Gotta be Home-run-do Benitez. Shit... umm, yeah.

I know! Could it be because the entire baseball world that was so convinced Boston had finally built a Yankee-proof pitching staff was WRONG?

Scott Sauerbeck: 0-0, 0 Sv, 4.05 ERA. Scott Williamson: 0-1, 5.40 ERA. Todd Jones: 6.64 ERA. Jeff Suppan: 0-1, 8.82 ERA. What a bunch of great pickups. Who blew it for the Sox tonight? Here's a hint: his initials are Byung-Hyun Kim. If he keeps pitching like he did tonight, the Sox won't have to worry about how he'll perform in the playoffs. Sox are now 2 games behind Oakland for the AL wild card.

It's not just the pitchers' fault, the "best offense in baseball", that hit .308 in May, .315 in June and .289 in July, is hitting a whopping .247 in August.

In other words...

THEY'RE CHOKING!

You can't blame this on the payroll. The Yankees spark plug since coming to the team has been Karim Garcia (.343 BA with NY, .944 August SLG%) who makes less than $1M a year. Big names like Mondesi, Zeile, and Ventura, Benitez are gone (and thus, their salary hits don't count.)

Jeter's hitting .321, but he's overrated. Nomar's better. Right?

We all know the real reason for this...

-Mikey

07-27-2003, 11:57 AM	#46 (permalink)
Fagabeefe What? WHAT?! Location: Over here	The RED SOX FANS are complaining about the YANKEES not being home grown? HELLO! Pedro Martinez (Dodgers) Manny Ramierez (Indians) Todd Walker (Twins) John Burkett (Giants) Tim Wakefield (Pirates) Robert Person (Mets) Derek Lowe (Mariners) Doug Mirabelli (Giants) Kevin Millar (Marlins) Damian Jackson (Indians) Jeremy Giami (Royals) Gabe Kapler (Tigers) Bill Mueller (Giants) Johnny Damon (Royals) David Ortiz (Twins) YOUR ENTIRE FRIKKIN' BULLPEN!!! Your homegrown talent on your roster is IN TOTAL: Nomar Casey Fossum Trot Nixon Jason Varitek THAT'S IT! So don't come griping to Yankee fans about "buying" a team. You're just as guilty of it, if not moreso, so get off your circa-1918 milk carton and go cry about Bill Buckner or Mike Torrez or "Hung One" Kim. And you know what? Even if you were to somehow WIN the World Series (by some miracle of GOD), you'd still need to win it another TWENTY-THREE times to even have ANY bragging rights over the Yanks. So until no less than the year 2026, SHUT YOUR FREAKIN' MOUTHS, you whiny buncha bean-eaters! __________________ If you can't make fun of yourself... Well at least there's always the French! Those chese-eating surrender monkeys!

07-28-2003, 09:32 AM	#49 (permalink)
reconmike Thank You Jesus Location: Twilight Zone	What happened when CBS owned the stankees? Nothing Why? They didnt spend any money so yankee fans just stay on your high horse and keep believing it is not about the money, you think red sox fans are they only ones complaining about georigie porgie and his huge pocket book. all of baseball is complaining about it, but just keep looking at the baseball world through your pin-stripe glasses. __________________ Where is Darwin when ya need him?

07-28-2003, 09:36 AM	#50 (permalink)
Mondak Industrialist Location: Southern California	So how did the Angels win the World Series last year smarty? How do the Mets end up in last every year despite having the 2nd highest payroll? __________________ All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed Second, it is violently opposed and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. ARTHUR SCHOPENHAUER (1788-1860)

07-28-2003, 10:56 AM	#52 (permalink)
Fagabeefe What? WHAT?! Location: Over here	As Big Stein pointed out in an interview yesterday, Ain't nobody won nothing yet. __________________ If you can't make fun of yourself... Well at least there's always the French! Those chese-eating surrender monkeys!

08-20-2003, 07:17 PM	#59 (permalink)
MikeyChalupa Squid Location: USS George Washington	Yanks lead is now 7 games, the biggest it's been all season. Tonight the Sox blew a 6-2 lead and lost 8-6. They left SEVENTEEN men on base. Why? Have the Yankees "bought" another one? Must be all those late-season acquisitions, like always. Fuckin' Yanks. It's that damn Aaron Boone. He's hitting .154 since coming to NY. Oh wait, it must not be him. Well, David Delucci is hitting .182. Wait, it must be Jesse Orosco, with his 12.27 ERA. Ah! Gotta be Home-run-do Benitez. Shit... umm, yeah. I know! Could it be because the entire baseball world that was so convinced Boston had finally built a Yankee-proof pitching staff was WRONG? Scott Sauerbeck: 0-0, 0 Sv, 4.05 ERA. Scott Williamson: 0-1, 5.40 ERA. Todd Jones: 6.64 ERA. Jeff Suppan: 0-1, 8.82 ERA. What a bunch of great pickups. Who blew it for the Sox tonight? Here's a hint: his initials are Byung-Hyun Kim. If he keeps pitching like he did tonight, the Sox won't have to worry about how he'll perform in the playoffs. Sox are now 2 games behind Oakland for the AL wild card. It's not just the pitchers' fault, the "best offense in baseball", that hit .308 in May, .315 in June and .289 in July, is hitting a whopping .247 in August. In other words... THEY'RE CHOKING! You can't blame this on the payroll. The Yankees spark plug since coming to the team has been Karim Garcia (.343 BA with NY, .944 August SLG%) who makes less than $1M a year. Big names like Mondesi, Zeile, and Ventura, Benitez are gone (and thus, their salary hits don't count.) Jeter's hitting .321, but he's overrated. Nomar's better. Right? We all know the real reason for this... -Mikey Last edited by MikeyChalupa; 08-26-2003 at 11:03 AM..

07-27-2003, 09:30 AM	#42 (permalink)
tronims Tilted	All I want/need to say is "NOMAH IS BETTER."

07-27-2003, 10:00 AM	#43 (permalink)
izzzzy Crazy Location: SW NEW HAMPSHIRE	i just bought a hat from dunkin donuts' "the 100 year rivalry" boston vs. new york

07-27-2003, 11:21 AM	#45 (permalink)
thedrake Banned Location: Iowa	George Steinbrener (spelled right? I don't care) is the anti-christ of baseball. Bring on the Red Sox to take him down.

07-28-2003, 10:02 AM	#51 (permalink)
MikeyChalupa Squid Location: USS George Washington	New York Mets = $116,253,927 = 2nd highest payroll = Last in their division, 3rd worst record in NL. Texas Rangers = $106,277,880 = 4th highest payroll = Last in their division, 4th worst record in AL. Kansas City Royals = $48,475,322 = 4th lowest payroll = First in their division, 5th best record in AL. -Mikey

07-28-2003, 01:19 PM	#53 (permalink)
iceman2032 Crazy	Doesn't matter, cause the Giants are winning the World Series this year

07-29-2003, 05:53 AM	#55 (permalink)
MikeyChalupa Squid Location: USS George Washington	Speaking of the Royals... Since they joined the league in 1969, they've won 7 division titles, made 7 playoff appearances, won 1 pennant, and one World Series. In the same time, Boston has won 5 division titles, made 7 playoff appearances, won 2 pennants, but NO World Series. So who's had more to show since 1969? I'll answer for you. It's the YANKEES! 12 division titles, 13 playoff appearances, 8 pennants, 6 World Series. But hey, take heart. The Sox have something the Yankees will NEVER have. A cute and cuddly mascot! -Mikey

07-29-2003, 07:52 PM	#56 (permalink)
Mr Scorcex Insane Location: Colorado	Damn you wally!

07-30-2003, 03:03 PM	#58 (permalink)
MikeyChalupa Squid Location: USS George Washington	Don't forget to add Scott Williamson (Reds). -Mikey