Kurant

Well, if any ordered the fight tonight like I did, I was very, very upset with what I saw tonight.

I had the fight scored 115-113 for Felix Strum, so did Roy Jones, so did Lederman, and Larry Merchant. The ENTIRE HBO staff thought Sturm won the fight. I said in the 2nd round to all 7 other people in my home watching this fight, if it's close, no matter what happens, De La Hoya will probably win the 12th round, and the fight. WHaddya know. Vegas prevails.

Maybe this justifies the Mosley descision for DLH, maybe not. BUt Sturm won the fight, looking stronger, better, with a bigger jab, and DLH did nothing the entire fight but hit the body, and hit lots of gloves and forearms with combos.

Boxing sucks.

Now we get to watch De La Hoya make 40 million+ in a fight, quite frankly, I think he gets his head beat in at.

This is why I HATE De La Hoya fights. He's a hell of a fighter, but there is always some bullshit surrounding him.

docbungle

De La Hoya got beat. It was obvious. Hopefully, at the very least, Sturm will get some exposure after taking it to one of the best fighters out there. The judges for these fights are the problem, not the fighters themselves. I'd like to know what the criteria is to be a judge. Seems to me the only requirement is that you be very old....old enough for your vision to be kinda so-so. Put some young guys in the judges seats....some people who actually follow the sport.

Hopkins didn't look all that great against a severely overmatched opponent. I don't really care if he and De La Hoya fight. They are both begining to fade with age.

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BigGov

Criteria? Be able to see, read, write, and open up your pockets in case a nice big stack of bills just happens to fall in.

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Kurant

Doc, I see your point. However, your rather nieve about the sport of boxing if you don't think money and politics had nothing to do with what happend tonight. It's not the fighters, your right. It's not the judges either, it's the sport of boxing.

Sturm isn't a big draw, and setting up a fight for Sept 18th where a minimum of 55 million dollars with be dispersed among 2 of the greatest fighters ever. What is one of the biggest fights in the last 25 years, is now a laughing stock. Everyone stands to make ALOT less money, and rightfully so. If you think politics had nothing to do with that, your a fool. I'm sorry.

As far as Hopkins, he was typical Hopkins. Mentally strong, that's all he is. That's how he beats oppenents. He played it easy, smart, and went out there and did exactly what he was supposed to do. Win. Unlike his counterpart.

docbungle

Yes, and you are an idiot also. Wtf? I happen to be very schooled in the sport. You call me stupid because I blame the judges? The judges score the fight. It is because of this scoring that De La Hoya won the fight. And I never said a damn thing about politics in my post, so don't go putting words in my mouth. Everyone knows that boxing is corrupt; that doesn't change the fact that the judges for the most important fights are the most incompetent.

It's not that they are all corrupt, either. Those same judges have scored other fights very well, even when their decisions have negated some large future fights. They just suck, that's all. And they all have a soft spot for De La Hoya. They are biased.
They think the public will hate them if they let De La Hoya lose a close fight. They're wrong, of course. We hate them now.

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Kurant

Whoa, calm down chief. It wasen't meant to piss anyone off. I never called you stupid either. Maybe fool is slightly over the top, I'm sorry for that.

All I'm simply saying was this. I don't put blame like that on judges. It's all politics, it's all money, and when descisions like that are made, all those people benefit from it. The judges did what they were supposed to do. Show extreme bias to the prize fighter, and if it's close, give him the 12th. Sturm's best round of the entire fight was the 12th. And he still lost the round on ALL of the cards.

I'm telling you. I don't blame anyone except the sport of boxing. Those judges knew exactly what was at stake, and boxing needed them to do. They did exactly what the sport of boxing wanted them to do.

But everyone knows who should not be fighting on Sept 18th.

docbungle

Well, I see your point, but only half agree. The "sport of boxing" is fading in revenue and popularity because of exactly this type of thing. So it does no good to the sport of boxing when we get decisions like this. It pushes the sport further and further from public interest. The sport doesn't want this, nobody IN the sport wants this; the promoters do. Why? Because they don't care about boxing...they care about money. And since there is no one there to regulate them, they are going to keep doing what they're doing. And since there are only a few successfull promoters to speak of, and since who fights who is up to the promoters (not the fighters records in the ring), and since the judges want the promoters to like them, this will never end.

Promoters should be promoters, nothing more. They should advertise their fighter. Their power needs to be stripped and the fighters' records in the ring need to be the defining criteria behind who fights who. There are no "promoters" in any other sport, other than advertising companies, and I don't see Pepsi or Budwieser able to sway who wins the superbowl or the Stanley Cup.

I don't call this corrupt. I call it incompetent. Promoters running the sport is like an employee of a company telling his boss what to do. And the boss doing whatever the employee says, regardless of how bad it is for the company.

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Jesus Malverde

Boxing is also fading in revenue and popularity because there aren't any boxers that the public has really embraced.

I saw the fight, and I like Oscar De La Hoya. You could tell he wasn't happy at all, and Sturm didn't make a big scene at the fact he lost. But this was probably a makeup decision for Oscar, and he better bring some better shit than last night for Hopkins, or he's gonna get his ass kicked.

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