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Old 03-12-2004, 08:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Back to NBA Rookieof theYear....

There will be a serious problem if there is not @ least a CO ROY.
LeBron James' season is or has not been that much better than Melo's.
After speculation...Boozer & Ilgauskas (spell??) are better than Andre Miller and whoever on the Nuggets.

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Old 03-12-2004, 08:51 AM   #2 (permalink)
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melo should get it...
but LJ has the hype...
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Old 03-12-2004, 08:57 AM   #3 (permalink)
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it has to be Lebron. The surrounding cast of players has nothing to do with the ROY award. It just has to do with the individual and how he performs. Granted I like Melo a lot better than Lebron, but Lebron has done a lot more this season.
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Old 03-12-2004, 09:11 AM   #4 (permalink)
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it has to be Lebron. The surrounding cast of players has nothing to do with the ROY award. It just has to do with the individual and how he performs. Granted I like Melo a lot better than Lebron, but Lebron has done a lot more this season.
Besides the assists....(which could be attributed to teammates) the statistics tell a story of two young guys w/ very similar numbers. To substitute for Melo's assists put in Melo's team record in there...in the toughest division of the league.

I have little faith in the Coorporate America but if Melo is denied...it would be heartbreaking and further proof that consumerism and marketing rule.
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Old 03-12-2004, 09:12 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 03-12-2004, 09:34 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Besides the assists....(which could be attributed to teammates) the statistics tell a story of two young guys w/ very similar numbers. To substitute for Melo's assists put in Melo's team record in there...in the toughest division of the league.

I have little faith in the Coorporate America but if Melo is denied...it would be heartbreaking and further proof that consumerism and marketing rule.

Assists have very little to do with the teammates, unless they are horrible and can't get open. Seeing as Denver has a better all around team than Cleveland... that's not the case. Assists have to do with the ability to see other players and get them the ball. Melo is a scorer, Lebron is an all-around player. The fact that Melo is on a west conference team should be cancelled out by the fact that without him, they would still have a way better record than last year: Cleveland wouldn't without Lebron.

I would be fine with a co-rookie of the year, but if it does go to a single player, it should be Lebron.
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Old 03-12-2004, 09:41 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I am not looking for Melo to take it all..its a split.
They are both enroute to take the rookie scoring title from Amare (2003 ROY).
I believe Cleveland has a better squad than Denver.
Without Melo..(your opinion is wrong)...the nuggets would be looking for 20 a night from Rodney White?!?! NeNe?!?!?...Jon Barry?!?!?

Please rethink this.
@ this point they are even.
When LeBron gets his floor general thing down he will be better, but as of now...they are even (and my perosnal opinion is that Melo is better).
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Old 03-12-2004, 09:59 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I think James is having a better year statistically, but only slightly better. I think this is a prime chance for co-Rookies.

You know who is quietly having a solid season??? Kirk Hinrich for the Bulls. With all the hype surrounding my boy Darko, Hinrich is proving to be a nice addition to an otherwise disappointing Bulls team.
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Old 03-12-2004, 10:01 AM   #9 (permalink)
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What about the fact that 'Melo has played forward all year, while LeBron has done his job from the point?

I think that alone puts LeBron over the top.
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Old 03-12-2004, 11:23 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Bron is better. He has a court sense that Melo just doesn't have. He creates for his teammates, which Melo doesn't do. Melo is a one dimensional player. He's a scorer. LeBron is a scoring leading who gets people involved, and can play 4 positions on the court. I'm no Melo hater. Hell, I love his game, but it's just not as good as Lebron's.

If we want to talk about their teams records. Here's a few facts. Sure, Melo is in a tougher division, but his team was better than LeBron's at the beginning of the season. The Cavs just stunk it up early and threw away many games, but they've made some great trades, and made their team better, and since the All start break the Cavs record is much better than the slumping Nuggets. If Melo was such a great leader he'd be able to pick his team up, and keep them winning. I said it early on in the season that the Nuggets won't make the playoffs, and I still don't think they will. They're almost out right now. Plus the Nuggets have a tougher schedule to finish off the season.

Also, LeBron had millions od haters who wanted him to flop, but as I've been saying for 2 years he's gonna be the best player in the NBA in a few years, and everyone that I've told that to said I was crazy.... Guess I'm not so crazy anymore because people don't argue that with me now. He came into the league under more scrutiny than anyone, and he's surpassed all the hype that was surrounding him.

I'll just add, once again, that the fucking Pistons are the dumbest team on the face of the planet, and when it's all said and done their decision to not pick Melo will go down as one of the top draft day fuck ups of all time. Plus, the Pistons wouldn't have had to trade for Rasheed, who will most likely be gone after this season, if they just would've been smart and picked Melo.
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Old 03-12-2004, 11:37 AM   #11 (permalink)
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What LeBron WILL be should not take away from what MELO is NOW!

Furthermore...Carlos Boozer is a BEAST.
Besides Shaq and Yao, Z is the best center in the NBA.
Regardless of the differences in their games, both of these boys are exceeding all and any expectations. Melo is No Lebron yet he has continued to inject his scoring ability and overall Game into the Nuggets and have the same effect as LeBron.

Maybe LeBron will win some MVPs but these dudes are CO ROY.
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Old 03-12-2004, 04:26 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Lebron will get it. It's all about stats, they really don't care what conference you are in and what team you are on.

The only slight factor is whether your team makes the playoffs, and it looks to me like Denver will drop out and Cleveland will make it.
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Old 03-12-2004, 04:54 PM   #13 (permalink)
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What LeBron WILL be should not take away from what MELO is NOW!

Furthermore...Carlos Boozer is a BEAST.
Besides Shaq and Yao, Z is the best center in the NBA.
Regardless of the differences in their games, both of these boys are exceeding all and any expectations. Melo is No Lebron yet he has continued to inject his scoring ability and overall Game into the Nuggets and have the same effect as LeBron.

Maybe LeBron will win some MVPs but these dudes are CO ROY.
Boozer is indeed good, but Lebron makes him better. Same with Z, who is hardly the 3rd best center in the NBA. You said it yourself, "Melo is no Lebron". As for your first statement, Sixate was saying that he is better than Melo now, and will get better in the future. The more I think about it, the more I think it should go solely to Lebron.
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Old 03-12-2004, 05:18 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Dwayne Wade?.... alright fine... lebron deserves it...
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Old 03-12-2004, 06:43 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I've got to go with Sixate on this one. LeBron James is truly one of the first players I've ever seen to live up to the hype. He is in my opinion, a much more well rounded player than Melo, and is extremely unselfish. He has a presence that Melo just doesn't have, and he has been the soul ingredient to keeping the Cavs playing as a team.
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Old 03-12-2004, 06:51 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Dwayne Wade?.... alright fine... lebron deserves it...
It should OBVIOUSLY go to Darko, duh.




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Old 03-12-2004, 07:28 PM   #17 (permalink)
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IMO, there will be a Co-MVP, it's happend before, and rightfully so it may happen again this year.

EDIT: I meant Co ROY
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Old 03-15-2004, 08:09 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I think Lebron James will get it too.....
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Old 03-15-2004, 08:17 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I respect all answers and these guys get paid millions and me..thousands so who cares in the end.

I just cant understand the logic here @ all.
Yes James came in with HYPE on the shoulders, and yes he has lived up to it.
Now Melo, without the hype pretty much mirrors James.
Furthermore..Melo as well as James are looking @ breaking Stoudamire's Rookie Scoring Average record...
They HAVE to award a Co ROY.
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Old 03-15-2004, 12:09 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I respect all answers and these guys get paid millions and me..thousands so who cares in the end.

I just cant understand the logic here @ all.
Yes James came in with HYPE on the shoulders, and yes he has lived up to it.
Now Melo, without the hype pretty much mirrors James.
Furthermore..Melo as well as James are looking @ breaking Stoudamire's Rookie Scoring Average record...
They HAVE to award a Co ROY.
Just because their stats are similar that doesn't mean they're similar players. Bron is way more versatile than Melo will ever be. Melo can't run the point and get his team involved like Bron does. That's what makes him better. Plus, Bron just has court sense that almost nobody has.

They don't HAVE to do anything. I wouldn't be upset if there was Co ROY. They're both great, but Bron is better.
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Old 03-15-2004, 01:01 PM   #21 (permalink)
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LeBron can play four positions, including his primary position at the point. Carmelo can only really play two, three in a pinch.

I don't want to sound like I'm hating on 'Melo, 'cause I could never do that to a Baltimore boy, but LeBron deserve the ROY more.
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Old 03-15-2004, 04:49 PM   #22 (permalink)
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LeBron... There's only a few players that you could make an argument for not trading for LeBron, (Garnett, Duncan..) But there's a lot of players I wouldnt trade for Melo (Even tho I love Melo)

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Old 03-15-2004, 07:34 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Chris Bosh has been doing a fantastic job at center for the Raps, often playing against centers bigger and stronger than him.

But ROY has got to go to LeBron..
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Old 03-16-2004, 11:50 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I'd be happy with CO ROY but if not, either is deserving. I just want to thank Detroit for leaving Melo for the Nuggets. All I know is Melo brought basketball back to Denver. The attendace is way up, with the people actually there and the Nuggets are an actual topic in the media.

If the voting is done on impact to a team and town, then Melo should win.
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Old 03-16-2004, 02:59 PM   #25 (permalink)
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If the voting is done on impact to a team and town, then Melo should win.
Because LeBron hasn't put any butts in seats in Cleveland, or had any impact on his team... I'd say they're equal at best there. LeBron also draws in bigger crowds in away games, so that's definitley a moot point.
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Old 03-16-2004, 03:11 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I'd be happy with CO ROY but if not, either is deserving. I just want to thank Detroit for leaving Melo for the Nuggets. All I know is Melo brought basketball back to Denver. The attendace is way up, with the people actually there and the Nuggets are an actual topic in the media.

If the voting is done on impact to a team and town, then Melo should win.
Only the Lakers are a bigger draw than the Cavs. It's been that way all season. So again, LeBron wins this one, also.
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Old 03-16-2004, 03:17 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Denver was going to be an up-and-coming team anyway. With Andre Miller and that Brazillian guy they would've been building up anyway.

Cleveland has been a basketball wasteland since Mark Price left. They would be nowhere near where they are without LeBron.
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Old 04-07-2004, 05:47 AM   #28 (permalink)
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CO ROY! CO ROY!

LeBron is fading a bit and Denver is still in the hunt.
Split the AWARD!!!!!
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Old 04-13-2004, 12:06 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Melo should win, just for the fact that he led his team to the playoffs in the west. if the Cavs had been in the west, they would have been destroyed.

if anything though, we should have CO ROY, just to give both players the respect they deserve.
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Old 04-13-2004, 12:15 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Nimbletoe, just imagine for a minute:

Ben Wallace
Rasheed Wallace
Okur
Billups
Dwayne Wade

Hell, I think that would even be better than 'Melo in there.

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Melo should win, just for the fact that he led his team to the playoffs in the west.
He was doing a great job of leading from the bench a few weeks ago
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Old 04-13-2004, 12:28 AM   #31 (permalink)
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to me rookie of the year should be carmelo!
His team is doing better then Lebron's
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Old 04-13-2004, 04:21 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Split the award.
The Cavs would have not won more than 17 in the MidWest.
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Old 04-13-2004, 06:46 AM   #33 (permalink)
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"to me rookie of the year should be carmelo!
His team is doing better then Lebron's"


If we are basing ROY on Wins than wouldn't Luke Walton for sure win the award? After Carmellos tantrum in the Detroit game LeBron is almost a sure win for ROY.
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Old 04-13-2004, 03:52 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Old 04-15-2004, 06:26 PM   #35 (permalink)
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"Originally posted by Go_AVS
If the voting is done on impact to a team and town, then Melo should win. "

LMAO. LeBron has drawn the arses to the seats. And another thing: Let us look at entertainment purposes:

Who is more exciting to watch, LeBron or Carmello? LEBRON easily. I love watching 'Bron drop dimes and do crazy dunks and fading away as if it was what he was born to do.....
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Old 04-15-2004, 09:05 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Lebron, hands down, no questions.
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Old 04-15-2004, 10:39 PM   #37 (permalink)
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It will be Lebron James. I think that Carmello is just as worthy.
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Old 04-15-2004, 10:59 PM   #38 (permalink)
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To the people that are saying Melo should get it:

If Carmelo was on the cavs in place of LeBron, do you think they would have had as good of a record? Hell no. Cleveland had no outside threat, possibly the worst bench in the league, no solid defender like nuggets have with miller, their only good players were 1 rookie and two sophomores, very little threat in the paint... denver was already a much much better team then cleveland minus the two rookies. Especially when cleveland started getting hurt by injuries. There is a reason that boozer and Z did better this season: Lebron MAKES them better. He can control the tempo on the court, Melo can't. Lebron can play more positions, had better stats, almost got a much worse team to the playoffs (missed by one game), and is an overall player.

Now, that still doesn't take away from what Melo did this year as well. There should be a CO-ROY imo. But if it had to go to one person, it should go to LeBron.
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Old 04-16-2004, 01:33 PM   #39 (permalink)
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To the people that are saying Melo should get it:

If Carmelo was on the cavs in place of LeBron, do you think they would have had as good of a record? Hell no. Cleveland had no outside threat, possibly the worst bench in the league, no solid defender like nuggets have with miller, their only good players were 1 rookie and two sophomores, very little threat in the paint... denver was already a much much better team then cleveland minus the two rookies. Especially when cleveland started getting hurt by injuries. There is a reason that boozer and Z did better this season: Lebron MAKES them better. He can control the tempo on the court, Melo can't. Lebron can play more positions, had better stats, almost got a much worse team to the playoffs (missed by one game), and is an overall player.

Now, that still doesn't take away from what Melo did this year as well. There should be a CO-ROY imo. But if it had to go to one person, it should go to LeBron.
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Old 04-16-2004, 07:41 PM   #40 (permalink)
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I saw Lebron down here take on the Heat last week and I was very impressed. I'd have to give my vote to him.
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