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numist · 01-25-2004, 10:27 AM

*boggle*

http://www.adn.com/life/story/4668251p-4622431c.html

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Physicist goalie writes about physics of hockey

NED ROZELL
ALASKA SCIENCE

(Published: January 25, 2004)

When two NHL hockey players collide, their pads and body tissues can absorb enough energy to power a 100-watt light bulb for a minute and a half. During the 60 minutes of a hockey game, players can burn 6,000 calories and lose up to 15 pounds.

These are the calculations of Alain Hache, a physicist at the University of Moncton in New Brunswick, Canada. An amateur goalie, Hache has combined two of his passions in his book "The Physics of Hockey."

Hache begins his look at one of the north's favorite sports by examining the physical properties of ice, one of Alaska's most abundant natural resources. Friction at the contact points between surfaces is what slows most sports down, but the low friction coefficient of ice makes hockey players faster on their feet than the athletes of any other team sport. Many NHL players can skate faster than 25 miles per hour, and Hall of Famer Bobby Hull was once clocked at 29.3 miles per hour. Scientists once tracked Hull during a game and calculated that he had skated more than eight miles during his 29 minutes on the ice.

While everyone agrees that ice is slippery, scientists have long debated the reasons why. Hache wrote about a study in the year 2000 by researchers at the University of California at Berkeley that revealed one of ice's slicker secrets. The California scientists used an atomic microscope to find a thin, wet layer of quasi-fluid water on the surface of an ice crystal. That layer provides a lubricant, even when ice is very cold. Without it, the friction of ice would be comparable to concrete, Hache wrote. This microscopic wet layer and other physical properties of ice make a sharpened skate on ice one of the fastest nonmotorized ways of propelling the human body. Though downhill skis move fast, the friction between a waxed downhill ski and snow is 10 times greater than that between a steel skate blade and ice.

Using the magical surface of ice to combat friction, hockey players are able to generate incredible amounts of energy. Hache calculated that 180-pound Colorado Avalanche forward Paul Kariya has more kinetic energy while skating at full speed than does a charging National Football League lineman of 300 pounds. He also calculated that a hockey player's pads and flesh will compress as much as 4 inches during a collision with another player.

A goaltender on a series of teams since his youth, Hache devotes a chapter of his book to facts about that position. A goalie's huge leg pads and other equipment cover 60 percent of a shooter's target, the 4-by-6 foot goal made of red pipe and netting. Those leg pads, which cover 20 percent of the net space all by themselves, are made of leather and light synthetic padding because a hard plastic shell would allow the puck to bounce too far.

Hockey players have blasted slapshots faster than 100 mph using a three-stage process, Hache wrote. First, a player rotates his torso and stick in an accelerated motion toward the puck. Next, his stick blade touches the ice and the puck as the stick bends for a fraction of a second, storing energy like a loaded spring. The puck accelerates off and the stick returns to its original shape as the player completes his swing. The puck rockets toward the goal as the player converts angular momentum (stick and torso swing) to linear momentum (the puck traveling a straight course for the goal).

Players mastering this technique include Al MacInnis of the St. Louis Blues, who won the 2003 NHL hard shot competition with a speed of 98.9 mph, and the retired Al Iafrate, whose slapshot registered 105.2 mph in 1993.

FleaCircus · 01-25-2004, 11:15 AM

Wow. Sorta makes the game just that much cooler, doesn't it?

archer2371 · 01-25-2004, 12:43 PM

Indeed, my AP Physics teacher and myself are huge hockey fans (He's a Pens fan and I'm a Stars fan) and we've had discussions about this since I was in his Physics I class last year. It's pretty awesome stuff.

pocon1 · 01-25-2004, 03:07 PM

6,000 calories? I cry bullshit. There is no way that any person is expending 6,000 calories in an hour, particularly considering that hockey has breaks and pauses in the game. I don't think any activity burns 6,000 calories an hour, certainly nothing that can be sustained for more than a minute or two.

Tempboy · 01-25-2004, 03:24 PM

Maybe he means all the players combined? <shrug>

In any case, it's a good read.
Hockey's an extremely tough sport. Anybody that says otherwise has no idea what they're talking about.

ledhead · 01-25-2004, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by pocon1
6,000 calories? I cry bullshit. There is no way that any person is expending 6,000 calories in an hour, particularly considering that hockey has breaks and pauses in the game. I don't think any activity burns 6,000 calories an hour, certainly nothing that can be sustained for more than a minute or two.

yeah, i think you are right. i am a cross country runner and i dont even burn 6000 calories in a day. and the most anyone is on the ice for is like 25 min. other than that, that article is pretty interesting. good find.

Loup · 01-27-2004, 05:18 AM

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Originally posted by pocon1
6,000 calories? I cry bullshit. There is no way that any person is expending 6,000 calories in an hour, particularly considering that hockey has breaks and pauses in the game. I don't think any activity burns 6,000 calories an hour, certainly nothing that can be sustained for more than a minute or two.

The goalies do under all the equipment that they have to wear. When Damein Rhodes was playing for Ottawa, he did an interview in which he stated that he loses up to 12 pounds a game. I'll look for the article.

bigbad · 01-28-2004, 02:17 AM

I know they lose a LOT of calories, 6000 does seem a bit high though. They only really play about 30 minutes of a game max anyways, so that means they lose 200 calories a minute. I've heard about the weight loss too, that's why they load up on the pastas and other high carb stuff, to make up for it.

archer2371 · 01-28-2004, 08:50 AM

I think the goalie's work skews that stat by a lot, because they're playing all game long and they are the hardest workers on the team. I think the guy did mean overall between the entire team, although the weight loss is indeed true, I've experienced it, I used to play goalie.

01-25-2004, 11:15 AM	#2 (permalink)
FleaCircus Insane Location: Denver, CO	Wow. Sorta makes the game just that much cooler, doesn't it? __________________ "We must have waffles. We must all have waffles, forthwith. Oh, we must think. We must all have waffles and think, each and every one of us to the very best of his ability." -- Professor Goldthwait Higginson Dorr, Ph.D.

01-25-2004, 12:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
archer2371 Sarge of Blood Gulch Red Outpost Number One Location: On the front lines against our very enemy	Indeed, my AP Physics teacher and myself are huge hockey fans (He's a Pens fan and I'm a Stars fan) and we've had discussions about this since I was in his Physics I class last year. It's pretty awesome stuff. __________________ "This ain't no Ice Cream Social!" "Hey Grif, Chupathingy...how bout that? I like it...got a ring to it." "I have no earthly idea what it is I just saw, or what this place is, or where in the hell O'Malley is! My only choice is to blame Grif for coming up with such a flawed plan. Stupid, stupid Grif."

01-28-2004, 08:50 AM	#9 (permalink)
archer2371 Sarge of Blood Gulch Red Outpost Number One Location: On the front lines against our very enemy	I think the goalie's work skews that stat by a lot, because they're playing all game long and they are the hardest workers on the team. I think the guy did mean overall between the entire team, although the weight loss is indeed true, I've experienced it, I used to play goalie. __________________ "This ain't no Ice Cream Social!" "Hey Grif, Chupathingy...how bout that? I like it...got a ring to it." "I have no earthly idea what it is I just saw, or what this place is, or where in the hell O'Malley is! My only choice is to blame Grif for coming up with such a flawed plan. Stupid, stupid Grif."

01-25-2004, 03:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
pocon1 Banned	6,000 calories? I cry bullshit. There is no way that any person is expending 6,000 calories in an hour, particularly considering that hockey has breaks and pauses in the game. I don't think any activity burns 6,000 calories an hour, certainly nothing that can be sustained for more than a minute or two.

01-25-2004, 03:24 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tempboy Insane Location: The Red Mile	Maybe he means all the players combined? <shrug> In any case, it's a good read. Hockey's an extremely tough sport. Anybody that says otherwise has no idea what they're talking about.

01-28-2004, 02:17 AM	#8 (permalink)
bigbad Insane	I know they lose a LOT of calories, 6000 does seem a bit high though. They only really play about 30 minutes of a game max anyways, so that means they lose 200 calories a minute. I've heard about the weight loss too, that's why they load up on the pastas and other high carb stuff, to make up for it.