Kurant

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With that said, I don't feel bad for this guy one bit, however.

He should remain banned from baseball, but absolutley arguably the best hitter in MAjor League history has to be in the Hall of Fame.

Jadey

This whole Pete Rose thing is ridiculous. I think he should be in the HOF, but he should NOT be reinstated. Ohter than the HOF and any associated activites he should have nothing to do with MLB. I've felt this way all along, and now It's even stronger since he's admitted to betting on baseball.

Begora21

If he's reinstated I'm ignoring baseball entirely until something exciting happens and I forget why I'm banning it... I can't stand this guy...

present_future

I hope they allow him to enter the Hall of Fame, he deserves it. But looking back on his crime, is it really that bad compared to some of the stuff going on in the game today? IMO, rampant steroid abuse and the ridiculous salaries the players make are more of an issue than a man who has admitted to betting on baseball, but not games that he had any part in.

Maybe it's just me, but I really don't see the harm in it. It would be like me betting on how many hamburgers we're going to sell at the restaurant tonight.

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Kurant

You can argue that all day, but here is the bottom line. Betting on Baseball is a bannable offense, steroids that some of these players are taking, arent. All that aside, federally legal or not.

Pete plain and simple lied. He admitted to it, and he's lost all his accountability about betting and personally, I could care less if he ever gets put in the hall now. It's not the point if he did it or not, he said he didn't he had millions of people backing him, including baseball outside of Bud Selig, and he's come forth tell people he's been lying for the last 15 years?'

Good riddence.

salsa2

Pete is taking the steps that he believes will get him reinstated. Finally admitting what the rest of the free world knew is the first step. Selig is behind him on this. Bud already knew that Pete bet on the game, despite Pete's denials.
The scary part is that Pete wants to manage again. That is what this is really all about. He needs MONEY and thinks the best and easiest way is to manage the Reds again.
I think that people really need to think this though. Baseball has very strict rules on gambling for a reason. They are very clearly stated and there is a history of what happens when you break this rule. Joe Jackson is still banned and not in the Hall. Mays and Mantle were suspended from the game for having an association with a casino , AFTER they retired. Pete admits to betting on the Reds while the manager. Even if you can say that he didnt bet against his team, it can still be argued that he was making descions based on whether he had a wager or not. What message was sent to the book makers when he didnt bet on the Reds? If he wanted to place a wager on tomorrows game, it could affect the way he managed the game the night before. Sending different guys to the plate to get pitchers into the game so they couldnt pitch the next night, or not be as effective. Not bringing his closer into the game one night to keep him fresh for the next game. Senting his rotation so his #1 starter would never face another teams #1(in other words conceeding a loss to save his ace for a forth or fifth starter).
The ways that he could effect the game just by betting for the Reds a few games a week is endless.
Also, just by having such a close association with the bookmakers lends itself to trouble. Pete gets a little behind and tells them"Dont worry about the Reds tonight, my pitching staff is a little tired", then leaving his starter in a little too long. etc. etc.
Baseball needs to send a message. Even the man with the most hits all time broke the rules and will pay for the crime. How powerful is that.
I could right another 10 pages on this, but I dont think anyone cares. I keep hearing," Put him in the Hall, whats the big deal" etc. and its a shame.
A real commissoner would never even consider letting him back in.

rogue49

Does it all really matter?

Just enjoy the game.

AL9045

Blah.

Don't hate.

salsa2

oh I'm sorry, I thought we were having an intelligent discusion about a current news story. My Mistake

soccerchamp76

Everyone knows the clubhouse rules.
Pete Rose knew the clubhouse rules and he violated the clubhouse rules, therefore he should suffer the consequences that are CLEARLY stated.

Once he dies, he will be in the HOF, until then he is banned.

Rules are rules.

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sky_driver

Salsa2 you made some good points. But, for me, and again it is only my opinion...Who the hell cares? I personally think that he should be in the HOF. So what if he bet on baseball, I am sure some of today's players have done far worse things and still play and most likely will be elected to their hall of fame. For instance, Ray Lewis with the Baltimore Ravens beat a murder charge in Atlanta and he still plays, makes millions, and gets all kind of awards. So again, who the hell cares?

Averett

Yawn.

Does anyone even care anymore?

Ty Cobb was rumored to have killed a man, and he's in theHall of Fame.

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soccerchamp76

But it is not a baseball rule that if you kill a man you get banned. You might be in jail but you won't be banned. Once you mess with the integrity of the game, you are gone. Rose did, Rose is gone.

You bet, you banned. SIMPLE

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Kurant

People just don't get it. You can say people have done far worse, and are still playing, but nothing they did, obviously wasen't severe enough to get banned. Drugs, whatever, it doesn't matter, it may be worse, but rules and rules, and Rose broke them, and lied about it for the last 15 years, as millions supported him.

thephuse

ehh..

The only problem I have with Rose is that he doesnt seem to be sorry. The vibe I'm seeming to be getting is "I've confessed, now gimme!" It makes it seem like the only reason he confessed was so he could get reinstated and make some money...

It doesnt matter what's worse or not, its the fact that he did something wrong.

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ironchef82

His credentials on the playing field are more than enough to put him in the Hall of Fame. His actions off the playing field are disgusting. The timing of this all definitely indicates that's he just doing this to get into Cooperstown. He also doesn't seem remoresful for his actions and for **lying for the past 14 or so years.**

I say put him in the Hall, but have his plaque state clearly what he did, that he bet on the game while managing and subsequently lied about it for years. Future generations need to know everything that he did.

redneckdude

But if you put him in do you also put in Shoeless Joe Jackson? He was only associated with those that threw the game and didn't activly participate. Oh yeah and he's been dead for 60 or so years iirc!

splck

Put him in based on the positive he did.

Baseball is terribly boring, I'd like to thank Pete for adding a bit of excitment to the game.

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ekneh

HOF is about his accomplishments as a player. Vote him in for the all time hits leader, and banish him from being involved with the future of baseball. ie manage, coach, own, etc.

skysooner

This is news to anybody? He is making his buck on the book and hoping to force the issue of reinstatement. It took too long for him to come out and admit what was obvious for years.

gibingus

Pete is and has always been an asshole. He was a major league talent, so it is no surprise that he is a major league asshole.

This ploy may have something to do with time running out on his HOF election, he should be pretty close to being turned over to the veterans committee now... and those guys will NEVER vote him in.

Judge Landis came in with one purpose, no one who bets on baseball or consorts with gamblers will ever play the game baseball again. That's the highest law of the league, and reason for it's present configuration. Player gambling is THE cardinal sin of MLB, it has been since the nineteenth century.

Cooperstown should treat him as they do the Black Sox. Shoeless Joe Jackson's spikes are in the HOF, but Joe isn't. Charley Hustle's record can be in the hall, but he can never have a plaque.

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j8ear

Day after Pete dies, his 'lifetime' ban ends. Put him on the ballot then and see if anyone votes him in.

He doesn't get to enjoy a single minute of being a Hall of Famer.
Of course he gets in, but not as a personal acolade, but instead an indication of his accomplishments on the Field, with specific mention of his disgraces off the field. This is for baseball (MLB), NOT for Pete Rose.

-bear

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salsa2

Shoeless Joe is dead, he's still not in.
What if it is proven that he bet on baseball while still a player? Would that change some of your minds? (Pete "doesnt remember" if he bet on baseball while still playing or not, "DOESNT REMEMBER"?!)

Kaos

I remember Rose saying in an interview, on Howard Stern, that he didn't care if he got into the Hall of Fame.

notaneel

two cents worth: HOF, yes...but not on the first ballot...sportswriters out there...make a symbolic no vote if he becomes eligable again
Reinstatement, no....he wasn't that good of a manager in the first place, and he has disgraced the pure, untarnished, sport of baseball....wait a minute...john rocker, darryl strawberry, ty cobb, shoeless joe jackson, etc.....hmm....maybe major league baseball shouldn't be in the business of moral crusaders

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fishboy_250

Pete Rose disgraced the game of baseball and is still unapologetic, no vote from me. As good as he was, his attitude now is "OK, I admitted it, now just let me in." What a white trash asshole.

tritium

I've met Pete Rose in person and I didn't get the immediate impression that he is the second coming of the devil. He seemed like a fairly decent guy that made some serious errors in the past. Personally, I think he should serve out the rest of his sentence and give up trying for parole in a sense.

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