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JoeyB · 09-08-2003, 08:20 PM

Let's overreact after week #1

The Dolphins, Eagles, Rams and Raiders all enjoyed success during the last 5 seasons.

They all came into this season with high expectations.

They all lost in week one.

Granted, it's only one loss and all but Miami lost to quality teams (sorry Texans fans, I'm not convinced yet)...but looking ahead to later this off-season, which coach gets fired first?

Dave Wannstedt is the easy pick, but I think Bill Callahan will get axed first. Al Davis is notoriously impatient and I think that the Raiders will have a tough time repeating in the AFC. Miami and Philly will soon tire of the playoff failure and both coaches could be on the hotseat. I can't stand Mike Martz, so that guarantees that he'll never leave.

RoadRage · 09-08-2003, 08:53 PM

I think Martz's will be first on the firing line, especially if Bulger repeats what he did last year (5-1 as a starter) and he is still getting benched for Warner (2-8).

Wannstadt in Miami has to do something better than almost make the playoffs, or he'll be elsewhere next year.

Those are the two whom I believe are under the most pressure at this point.

Mitzkrieg · 09-08-2003, 11:41 PM

just a little correction, Bulger was 6-1 as a starter last year. and warner was 0-6. the second string QB started the other 3 games, can't remember his name at the moment. and i dunno about martz being fired. last season the rams were plagued with injuries. not much you can do there. and that loss on sunday wasn't necessarily his fault. Warner got a concussion and played messed up. it sorta helped him fumble all those times, heh. warner is always stubborn about playin.

JoeyB · 09-09-2003, 04:55 AM

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Originally posted by Mitzkrieg
just a little correction, Bulger was 6-1 as a starter last year. and warner was 0-6. the second string QB started the other 3 games, can't remember his name at the moment. and i dunno about martz being fired. last season the rams were plagued with injuries. not much you can do there. and that loss on sunday wasn't necessarily his fault. Warner got a concussion and played messed up. it sorta helped him fumble all those times, heh. warner is always stubborn about playin.

Martz has named Bulger as his starter for this week. His hotseat just got a bit cooler.

Kurant · 09-09-2003, 05:41 AM

He's only the starter because Warner has a mild-strong concussion. Otherwise, you'd see yet another disaster this week.

I never was on the Warner bandwagon, I really personally don't care for him. The less he plays it seems, the better off the Rams are.

Kurant · 09-09-2003, 05:43 AM

Oh, yeah. And Griese will get a chance to start before they fire Wannstadt. I dunno why he doesn't start anyway...

Dano069 · 09-09-2003, 06:25 AM

Isn't Griese hurt?

grayman · 09-09-2003, 06:28 AM

I personally think that Jauron will be fired first, after the Bears fail to win 6 games. The only reason that he still has a job is because of that fluke season when they made the play-offs. As much as I would like to see Martz get fired, I don't see it happening with Georgia as the owner. If it was me, it would take a Super Bowl win this season to save his job.

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Originally posted by Kurant
I never was on the Warner bandwagon, I really personally don't care for him. The less he plays it seems, the better off the Rams are.

You're right, they certainly were horrible during his 2 MVP seasons. The problem with the Rams is Mike Martz and his insane play calling. When you throw the ball 60 times and run it 10, your QB is going to get hit and he is going to throw picks. The defense knows that Martz isn't going to run it, even with Faulk in the backfield (see their last Super Bowl appearance.) The fumbles were because of the concussion, and someone should have picked up on it and taken him out. It is fashionable right now to pick on Warner, because they can create a QB controversy. What everyone forgets about is that he still threw for 342 yards and a TD. The pick was caused by his WR falling down. Many other elite QB's had worse days and no one is calling for their heads.
Tom Brady: 48.3% completions 123 yards 4 INT 0 TD 20.4 QB rating
Peyton Manning: 62.8% comp. 211 yards 2 INT 0 TD 55.5 QB rating
Kurt Warner: 63.0 % comp. 342 yards 1 TD 1 INT 79.4 QB rating
Donovan McNabb: 52.8% comp. 148 yards 0 TD 1 INT 51.6 QB rating

gov135 · 09-09-2003, 08:04 AM

I don't see Jauron righting the ship. He has nothing to work with. Miami and St. Louis have the talent to make the playoffs just yet - or make a run at them. If Wannstedt and Martz fail to make the playoffs - they are gone before the first weekend of the playoffs.

But I think hapless Chicago may go 0-5 and take Jauron with them. He goes first.

The_Dude · 09-09-2003, 08:07 AM

I'll cast my vote for mike martz if he starts warner again and warner flops.

also, he made a lot of bad calls in their loss to NYG

monkeydriven · 09-09-2003, 08:21 AM

Martz

lions20 · 09-09-2003, 08:27 AM

Aside from the 5 teams listed i think Dick Jauron will be fired first.

Brewmaniac · 09-09-2003, 08:54 AM

Jauron first! He has nobody to work with.

Reddevil63 · 09-09-2003, 03:35 PM

I think Martz and Callahan are both screwed if their teams dont win a Super Bowl this year.

BigGov · 09-09-2003, 04:28 PM

Reid will not be fired anytime soon. He and Jim Johnson built the Eagles from a laughing stock to a Super Bowl contender out of 12 players, McNabb and a defense. Their opponents most weeks have a better team overall, yet the Eagles have managed to pull it out. Losing to the world champs in week one isn't anything to be that ashamed of, they will just treat it as another learning experience (a big one, especially considering how many changes the defense has gone through with free agency and injuries).

Martz will definately be fired after this season, so it will be a tie between him and whoever else is fired. Need a reason? I'll give you nine, because that's now many times Marshall carried the ball. I don't care who you are or how much of an offensive genius you are, if you want to win a football game, you put at the top of your list "Give Marshall the ball 30 times".

Jauron will also be fired, but he's being set-up by the crappy management in Chicago so when he's fired they can hire some other guy they want, who will suck even more because the team will be without many key players.

Dr.Who · 09-09-2003, 05:20 PM

I agree that Chicago is going nowhere, that's not even funny. But Martz got to go. I watch the game sunday and even if I hate the Rams, the 4 and 12 call at the end, among other stupid calls, was killer one for the Rams. He did nothing good with this team and after the season will be out, looking elsewhere for a job.

jfranco13 · 09-09-2003, 05:59 PM

I think Jauron is the first to go. Da management of Da Bears does not want to admit that they've made a mess, so they'll sacrifice Juaron.

How about Billick though? Going with a rookie QB? If Boller doesn't shape up, The Genius could feel some heat on his ass. He won't be the first to go, but he might be one of them.

JoeyB · 09-09-2003, 06:07 PM

I agree with everyone's assessment of Jauron and Billick, however I don't think either team had the expectation of success. The Bears are starting Kordell Stewart--with not much support and the Ravens have a rookie QB. Granted, their defense is tough, but I don't think most people saw either team as a Super Bowl contender.

I think Marc Bulger will make the Rams decision easy. Bulger will do well and Warner won't have a chance to get back into the starting lineup.

What does Martz have against Marshall Faulk??? Did he learn NOTHING from the Super Bowl loss to the Patriots?

lions20 · 09-10-2003, 06:52 AM

I do not think Billick's job is in jepopardy. The Ravens are still in a rebuilding process.

MikeyChalupa · 09-10-2003, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by grayman
Many other elite QB's had worse days and no one is calling for their heads.
Tom Brady: 48.3% completions 123 yards 4 INT 0 TD 20.4 QB rating
Peyton Manning: 62.8% comp. 211 yards 2 INT 0 TD 55.5 QB rating
Kurt Warner: 63.0 % comp. 342 yards 1 TD 1 INT 79.4 QB rating
Donovan McNabb: 52.8% comp. 148 yards 0 TD 1 INT 51.6 QB rating

Don't forget:

Brett Favre: 61.0 % comp. 248 yards 1 TD 4 INT 46.6 QB rating

-Mikey

archer2371 · 09-10-2003, 01:08 PM

Martz, he's not going with the hot hand which is Bulger (well, we'll see, cuz it's a new year).

stldickie · 09-10-2003, 01:31 PM

Callahan is probably soon to be history.
I'm afraid the good ole Stl is stuck with mikey for another year or two.

JoeyB · 09-15-2003, 05:09 PM

Now with week #2 in the books.....whose hot seat got a little hotter???

I don't think Callahan is terribly safe after barely beating the Bengals. Wannstedt will probably survive, but if the Eagles don't turn it around, I don't see Andy Reid having a retirement party in the city of brotherly love.

JoeyB · 09-22-2003, 07:26 PM

I'm repeating my prediction of a Bill Callahan firing.....and now, I'm requesting it.

This team should be 0-3. The Raiders were incredibly lucky to beat the Bengals.

09-08-2003, 08:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
JoeyB feeling tingly	Who is fired first? Let's overreact after week #1 The Dolphins, Eagles, Rams and Raiders all enjoyed success during the last 5 seasons. They all came into this season with high expectations. They all lost in week one. Granted, it's only one loss and all but Miami lost to quality teams (sorry Texans fans, I'm not convinced yet)...but looking ahead to later this off-season, which coach gets fired first? Dave Wannstedt is the easy pick, but I think Bill Callahan will get axed first. Al Davis is notoriously impatient and I think that the Raiders will have a tough time repeating in the AFC. Miami and Philly will soon tire of the playoff failure and both coaches could be on the hotseat. I can't stand Mike Martz, so that guarantees that he'll never leave. __________________ My mom is a Diamondbacks fan. She really likes the Big Unit Last edited by JoeyB; 09-08-2003 at 08:23 PM..

09-08-2003, 08:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
RoadRage Stay off the sidewalk! Location: Oklahoma City, OK	I think Martz's will be first on the firing line, especially if Bulger repeats what he did last year (5-1 as a starter) and he is still getting benched for Warner (2-8). Wannstadt in Miami has to do something better than almost make the playoffs, or he'll be elsewhere next year. Those are the two whom I believe are under the most pressure at this point. __________________ Join TFP Team SETI 43K workunits complete, 34 members, more of each needed.

09-08-2003, 11:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mitzkrieg Insane	just a little correction, Bulger was 6-1 as a starter last year. and warner was 0-6. the second string QB started the other 3 games, can't remember his name at the moment. and i dunno about martz being fired. last season the rams were plagued with injuries. not much you can do there. and that loss on sunday wasn't necessarily his fault. Warner got a concussion and played messed up. it sorta helped him fumble all those times, heh. warner is always stubborn about playin. Last edited by Mitzkrieg; 09-08-2003 at 11:49 PM..

09-09-2003, 06:25 AM	#7 (permalink)
Dano069 is Nucking Futs! Location: On the edge of sanity	Isn't Griese hurt? __________________ I may look attentive, but I'm taking peeks down your blouse faster than the human eye can follow.

09-09-2003, 08:07 AM	#10 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	I'll cast my vote for mike martz if he starts warner again and warner flops. also, he made a lot of bad calls in their loss to NYG __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

09-09-2003, 05:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
Kurant Junkie Location: Don't worry about it.	He's only the starter because Warner has a mild-strong concussion. Otherwise, you'd see yet another disaster this week. I never was on the Warner bandwagon, I really personally don't care for him. The less he plays it seems, the better off the Rams are.

09-09-2003, 05:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
Kurant Junkie Location: Don't worry about it.	Oh, yeah. And Griese will get a chance to start before they fire Wannstadt. I dunno why he doesn't start anyway...

09-09-2003, 08:04 AM	#9 (permalink)
gov135 Junkie Location: Midwest	I don't see Jauron righting the ship. He has nothing to work with. Miami and St. Louis have the talent to make the playoffs just yet - or make a run at them. If Wannstedt and Martz fail to make the playoffs - they are gone before the first weekend of the playoffs. But I think hapless Chicago may go 0-5 and take Jauron with them. He goes first.

09-09-2003, 08:21 AM	#11 (permalink)
monkeydriven Addict Location: Boston	Martz __________________ you think i got my eyes closed but i've been lookin' at you the whole f&ckin' time... ------------------------------------------------ Posting from the home of the 2004 World Champion Boston Red Sox

09-09-2003, 08:27 AM	#12 (permalink)
lions20 Insane	Aside from the 5 teams listed i think Dick Jauron will be fired first.

09-09-2003, 08:54 AM	#13 (permalink)
Brewmaniac Searching for the perfect brew!	Jauron first! He has nobody to work with. __________________ "That's a joke... I say, that's a joke, son"

09-09-2003, 03:35 PM	#14 (permalink)
Reddevil63 Tilted Location: Tx	I think Martz and Callahan are both screwed if their teams dont win a Super Bowl this year.

09-09-2003, 04:28 PM	#15 (permalink)
BigGov WoW or Class... Location: UWW	Reid will not be fired anytime soon. He and Jim Johnson built the Eagles from a laughing stock to a Super Bowl contender out of 12 players, McNabb and a defense. Their opponents most weeks have a better team overall, yet the Eagles have managed to pull it out. Losing to the world champs in week one isn't anything to be that ashamed of, they will just treat it as another learning experience (a big one, especially considering how many changes the defense has gone through with free agency and injuries). Martz will definately be fired after this season, so it will be a tie between him and whoever else is fired. Need a reason? I'll give you nine, because that's now many times Marshall carried the ball. I don't care who you are or how much of an offensive genius you are, if you want to win a football game, you put at the top of your list "Give Marshall the ball 30 times". Jauron will also be fired, but he's being set-up by the crappy management in Chicago so when he's fired they can hire some other guy they want, who will suck even more because the team will be without many key players. __________________ One day an Englishman, a Scotsman, and an Irishman walked into a pub together. They each bought a pint of Guinness. Just as they were about to enjoy their creamy beverage, three flies landed in each of their pints. The Englishman pushed his beer away in disgust. The Scotsman fished the fly out of his beer and continued drinking it, as if nothing had happened. The Irishman, too, picked the fly out of his drink but then held it out over the beer and yelled "SPIT IT OUT, SPIT IT OUT, YOU BASTARD!"

09-09-2003, 05:20 PM	#16 (permalink)
Dr.Who Insane Location: Part Unknow	I agree that Chicago is going nowhere, that's not even funny. But Martz got to go. I watch the game sunday and even if I hate the Rams, the 4 and 12 call at the end, among other stupid calls, was killer one for the Rams. He did nothing good with this team and after the season will be out, looking elsewhere for a job.

09-09-2003, 05:59 PM	#17 (permalink)
jfranco13 Crazy Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I think Jauron is the first to go. Da management of Da Bears does not want to admit that they've made a mess, so they'll sacrifice Juaron. How about Billick though? Going with a rookie QB? If Boller doesn't shape up, The Genius could feel some heat on his ass. He won't be the first to go, but he might be one of them. __________________ We may lose, and we may win, but we will never be here again.

09-10-2003, 01:08 PM	#21 (permalink)
archer2371 Sarge of Blood Gulch Red Outpost Number One Location: On the front lines against our very enemy	Martz, he's not going with the hot hand which is Bulger (well, we'll see, cuz it's a new year). __________________ "This ain't no Ice Cream Social!" "Hey Grif, Chupathingy...how bout that? I like it...got a ring to it." "I have no earthly idea what it is I just saw, or what this place is, or where in the hell O'Malley is! My only choice is to blame Grif for coming up with such a flawed plan. Stupid, stupid Grif."

09-09-2003, 06:07 PM	#18 (permalink)
JoeyB feeling tingly	I agree with everyone's assessment of Jauron and Billick, however I don't think either team had the expectation of success. The Bears are starting Kordell Stewart--with not much support and the Ravens have a rookie QB. Granted, their defense is tough, but I don't think most people saw either team as a Super Bowl contender. I think Marc Bulger will make the Rams decision easy. Bulger will do well and Warner won't have a chance to get back into the starting lineup. What does Martz have against Marshall Faulk??? Did he learn NOTHING from the Super Bowl loss to the Patriots? __________________ My mom is a Diamondbacks fan. She really likes the Big Unit

09-10-2003, 06:52 AM	#19 (permalink)
lions20 Insane	I do not think Billick's job is in jepopardy. The Ravens are still in a rebuilding process.

09-10-2003, 01:31 PM	#22 (permalink)
stldickie Addict	Callahan is probably soon to be history. I'm afraid the good ole Stl is stuck with mikey for another year or two.

09-15-2003, 05:09 PM	#23 (permalink)
JoeyB feeling tingly	Now with week #2 in the books.....whose hot seat got a little hotter??? I don't think Callahan is terribly safe after barely beating the Bengals. Wannstedt will probably survive, but if the Eagles don't turn it around, I don't see Andy Reid having a retirement party in the city of brotherly love. __________________ My mom is a Diamondbacks fan. She really likes the Big Unit

09-22-2003, 07:26 PM	#24 (permalink)
JoeyB feeling tingly	I'm repeating my prediction of a Bill Callahan firing.....and now, I'm requesting it. This team should be 0-3. The Raiders were incredibly lucky to beat the Bengals. __________________ My mom is a Diamondbacks fan. She really likes the Big Unit