The_Jazz

Screw you, Orioleboy. You guys are going DOWN tomorrow. And Wednesday. Not to mention Thursday.

And I've always said if there's anything worse than a Yankees fan, it's a Red Sox fan.

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Glory's Sun

or cubbies fans who always want to blame someone else..

kutulu

The sinking ship known as the DBacks are playing the Red Sox in a 3 game series. This should go great.

The stupid thing is that despite the shittiness of the DBacks, until yesterday they had the largest division lead at 4.5 games.

Seconded

QuasiMondo

Good lord, these new look Mets are gangsta. What the hell has Jerry Manuel done with them?

Beltran just took Felix Hernandez out while stealing home on a wild pitch. I'm sure it wasn't on purpose, but the Mariners just lost their best pitcher for who knows how long?

Sorta puts a downer on the fact that he hit a Grand Slam off of Santana earlier tonight.

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Glory's Sun

Haren Vs. Beckett was quite the game.

kutulu

I thought for sure that Pena was going to give it up in the 8th. The AB against Manny was awesome.

Ilow

yeah, that pitching duel certainly lived up to its billing.
Nice to see the Sox finally get to the Dbacks pen tonite. Hard to believe that was their first win ever against the Dbacks at Fenway.
Still need to keep winning since the Rays are still just one game back. Obviously I am biased, but it is nice to see the Sox keep battling despite all kinds of obstacles, like injuries etc. If they were not so deep they would probably be third place team in the AL East.

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kutulu

Fucking Chad Qualls.

Ilow

Hey, you could have Bronson Arroyo...

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kutulu

I'd rather give it away in teh first inning than to have my heart torn out in the bottom of the 8th.

QuasiMondo

Or Oliver Perez.

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-From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator

QuasiMondo

Final score Mets 15, Yankees 6

Delgado sets a club record with 9 RBI's in a single game (including the team's first grand slam in over two years).

Who are the clowns now, Daily News?

Second game of the double-header's in less than three hours.

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-From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator

Derwood

Cubs are banged up and hitting a tough stretch here. 2 more @ CHW, 4 @ SF (should be easy, but you never know) then 3 @ STL. I'd like to avoid a June Swoon if we can

grumpyolddude

I'd hate to distract from the "big city" teams, but the Tigers finally reached .500 for the first time all season. They've won 6 series straight and the starting pitching has been astonishingly good, especially Verlander, Galaraga and Bonine (we never even heard of those last two when the season began). If the bullpen can hold up, the AL Central could get pretty interesting.

The Tigers have shown some courage, sending Dontrelle Willis (and his huge contract) to the minors to get his shit together, while trusting some very young talent. Ryan Rayburn hit a grand slam, then scored the winning run tonight. Clete Thomas has been lighting it up. Along with those rookie starters, they've lit a fire under those big-name veterans that were playing like complacent fat-cats through the first two months of the season.

Granted, the whole AL has feasted on the NL during interleague play(even KC was 13-3), and the Tigers still need to prove something inside their division. But, things look promising for the first time this season. Should be fun to watch!

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kutulu

Chris Snyder from the DBacks is on the DL with a fractured testicle.
http://beat.bodoglife.com/sports/chr...deo-59875.html

Ilow

Saw that on Jim Rome this pm. All I can say is that he is the toughest man alive to get up and go back to catching after that. Chuck Norris doesn't get up that quickly. As Rome said, dudes everywhere are pulling for you, Chris Snyder.

In related note, most of Red Sox Nation would almost rather suffer a similar injury than watch their bullpen if the middle relief is going to continue to pitch like this.

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kutulu

pan, you got your wish: Sabathia is no longer an Indian. This, combined with a typical Cubs meltdown should help the Brews get deep into the postseason.

QuasiMondo

The Cubs would have to pull off a meltdown of Mets proportion to blow this. Even if they lose the NL central, they're still miles ahead of anybody else for the wild card.

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-From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator

pan6467

You know everyone thought that the Colon trade sucked also...... but we got Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee and Brandon Phillips..... Colon won a Cy young shortly afterward, then....... welllllll..... Sizemore and Lee are all stars and of the Indians best players.... Phillips is one of the premier second basemen in the majors. The Indians missed Colon for a season or two but had Sabathia. The Indians have Fausto, Lee and possibly Laffey now. So they are a stronger team now then when they traded Colon.

Sabathia, will help the Brew Crew out this year and with Sheets that's one Hell of a one two punch in a short series. Long term though, Milwaukee sacrificed their future. The player to be named later is the key according to Shapiro. The list is two players and both are impact Major League ready players. And who knows that list may include Gamul, Escobar or Green.

Milwaukee meanwhile may win it all this year, but I think that highly doubtful as CC can't win big games and may find himself lost in the NL. And after this season Milwaukee will have what? Sheets will be gone, Sabathia will be gone and their future will be gone.

Meanwhile the Indians will have some very strong up and comers, the money they offered Sabathia can and will be used for someone... possibly Sheets and the Shapiro/Dolan team know if they do nothing this off season they may as well sell the team because the fans won't be drinking their magic kool aid anymore. the fans want and need results NOW.

So looking at what happened.... I think the trade is a great move and Milwaukee fans are going to regret it even if they win it all this year, they have no future, no core players coming up and their pitching is decimated after this season.

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kutulu

I think the Indians made out quite well in the trade. They got a lot of talent back in return for a rental player. The Brewers gave up a lot though. If they win it all (doubtful) I don't see why they would regret anything. I'd trade a few years of mediocrity for a World Series win. Look at the DBacks, they are still paying for their 2001 World Series (about $20M per year in deferred salaries). This absolutely handicaps their ability to sign talent but I wouldn't change a thing, it was totally worth it.

So the Brew's pitching will be gone next season; in return they will have two type A free agents and get some great draft picks as compensation.

I'll say it again, I think it's BS to look at 20 innings and say that CC can't win big games. He has thrown over 1500 innings.

Craven Morehead

This Cubs fan is happy tonight. Starting rotation, Zambrano, Harden, Dempster and Lilly. Lights out if they all stay healthy.

But being a Cubs fan I know something will hit the fan sooner or later.

arrrgh.......

pan6467

I've watched CC for years.... he cannot win big games.

I do have a question, do the Brewers get two compensation picks for CC? I'm not so sure since he came midseason through trade. I thought since he was traded they wouldn't get anything in draft comp. I admit though I am not up on all the free agent comp drafts. So I would like clarity.

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The_Jazz

Draft comps only apply to free agency. Since this is a trade, picks are automatically included - more likely a "player to be named later".

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pan6467

So Milwaukee won't get any comps at the end of the season when they lose CC, like Cleveland would have?

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Glory's Sun

The Cubs have majorly increased their potential to finally win.. something. I'm just not so sure I would start jumping up and down if I were a cubs fan yet though.. Harden has a great arm.. but also a great ability to find the DL.

djtestudo

Yeah, they do, as far as I know.

I think The Jazz misunderstood your question

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The_Jazz

Mr. O is right. I misunderstood. Or, rather, if I were in Baltimore, I would be putting the "moron" in "Baltimoron".

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kutulu

Free agent draft comps work like this:

At the end of the year, Elias ranks all the players base on their last two years. The top 20% are given type A status and the next 20% are given type C status. Type A or B free agents that are either signed before the arbitration deadline or offered arbitration but sign with other teams are given compensatory draft picks.

After the first round of the draft there is a supplemental round. Teams losing Type A and B free agents are each given a pick. The draft order is based on the reverse order of standings with all Type A teams going first.

The team signing the Type A free agent loses their first round pick to the team that lost the free agent (unless the signing team is scheduled to pick in the first 15 spots, then they lose their second round).

djtestudo

You know what sucks?

When your team is supposed to do poorly, and you prepare yourself for a season of building for the future.

Then they start out hot, and even though you enjoy seeing them do well, you know it won't last, and still are set in building mode.

Then they keep it up by winning close games and making comebacks that they have no right to make, but you see the major flaws and the players playing over their heads, and so you still keep that mindset.

Then all of a sudden everything bad starts happening at once. The comebacks fall just short, the pitching falls apart, and you start losing to worse teams. And no matter how you have kept your mind and heart separated throughout the season and fully expected what is happening, you still end up feeling upset and angry and shitty all at once.

Ugh.

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The_Jazz

I feel your pain. I really do. Add in fielding errors on routine ground balls and baserunning errors (I get angry just typing that) and you've got your 2006 Chicago Cubs.

Take solace in the fact that you're not a Yankees fan. Or a Kansas City fan.

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Glory's Sun

and before long .. the 2008 cubs

Ilow

yeah, you're not alone in feeling this, most of us have experienced this as sports fans too many times to count. Those of us who are Red Sox, Cubs fans etc know what it's like in a way, but I think that it's almost worse to be a Baltimore or Oakland fan sometimes.

By the way, I don't have as much interest in the Allstar Game this year, is anyone else in this boat? I can't say whether is is because of all the Yankee Stadium hoopla, or because of a sort of disillusionment...

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kutulu

This season is so frustrating. The DBacks are a shitty team right now and they've been a shitty team since mid-May. However, somehow they are clinging to a 1-game lead in the NL West.

Glory's Sun

3 errors in one game certainly doesn't help either..


as far as the All-Star game is concerned.. I'll watch it but no I'm not all about it this year.. who gives a fuck if it's the last season of Skankee Stadium..

QuasiMondo

That's because the NL West is a shitty division.

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-From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator

Glory's Sun

all I have to say is Josh Hamilton is a fucking beast

Ilow

yup, agreed. He has one of the sweetest natural swings since Griffey Jr. and is strong as shit. Did you see the amount of torque and bat flex he had in some of those slow mo replays? Imagine if he was turning around a 95 mph heater and not a bp pitch thrown by a senior citizen? Not to knock Council. To be honest, I thought that was almost as good of a story as Hamilton's recovery and return. That dude knew how to groove them just right.
Did you hear how careful the Rangers are being with him? He has a sort of a guardian angel who stays with him pretty much all the time on the road, and he can't have more than $20 cash on him, and he gets drug tested like twice a week. Seems like due diligence on the part of Texas.

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yellowmac

3-3 going into the 9th.

So what would happen now if the all-star game ended in a tie now, like what happened several years ago? Who gets home-field advantage in the World Series then? I really want this to happen tonight so that MLB would get rid of this stupid rule.

Glory's Sun

it's only common sense for Texas to do this.. even Hamilton says he doesn't trust himself yet. When a team has that much money and PR invested in a guy.. they have to make sure it's going to be worth their while. It's a good story .. baseball needs something like this.

And how about J.D. Fucking Drew.. MVP baby!

Ilow

Wow 12 straight winless years for the senior circuit, that's turning into a nasty streak. I guess this is the opposite of how it was 20 or 30 years ago when the NL always won. Never thought I'd see JD Drew win the All-Star MVP. Good for him, he's really putting together a great season.

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