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Old 08-08-2007, 08:20 PM   #161 (permalink)
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Did I or did I not say that they were failed by their offence? Yes I did. Did you bother to read my whole post?
"As a fan of an AL West team, I was surprised to see the moves made by the A's on their pitching staff. Apparently these moves were made in a effort to improve it in one way or another. It would appear to a casual onlooker that these moves did not work, as the A's are now below .500 and doing their best to stay out of the AL West basement. However, if they were only looking to improve their top 3 pitcher's ERA's, and looking for quality starts, then they succeeded on that and have been failed by their offence."

You are still insinuating that the pitching is the problem, although now it is because they were only trying to improve the pitching as opposed to suggesting the pitching itself is faulty.
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Old 08-08-2007, 08:29 PM   #162 (permalink)
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I insinuate that because it is my opinion that the moves were wrong to begin with. Actual performance is outdoing years past, which surprises me. Did the A's make the right moves, yes, you have proved that long ago.

Look at it from my "uninformed viewpoint." I saw what I thought was a mistake. The A's then go in the tank. Thats all.
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Old 08-23-2007, 08:05 AM   #163 (permalink)
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Webb's scoreless inning streak ended last night in the first inning. He went 42 1/3 innings without allowing a run. Not too bad.
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Old 08-24-2007, 11:32 AM   #164 (permalink)
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I liked the Rangers beating the Orioles 30-3, that was pretty amusing.
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Old 08-24-2007, 07:06 PM   #165 (permalink)
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Handed a four-run lead in the ninth, Billy Wagner gave up three singles to load the bases with one out before pitching coach Rick Peterson came out for a visit. Jeff Kent hit a sacrifice fly, and Wagner struck out Andre Ethier with runners at the corners to end it.
Why must we go through this every night? For once I'd like to turn the TV off in the 9th inning and go to bed secure in the knowledge that the Mets have a victory well in hand, but nooooooooo, Wagner just can't do that for them. It's as I read some guy say in another forum, the bullpen makes every team they play against look like the '27 Yankees. Can we get relievers that can take batters down 1-2-3 and not squander seven solid innings from the starter? If Omar Minaya doesn't shop for middle relievers and closers this offseason, there's going to be hell to pay.
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Old 08-25-2007, 10:39 AM   #166 (permalink)
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Closers are held to such ridiculous standards. Have you even bothered to check his stats or do you just know it because you see it? Wagner has held batters to a .578 OPS, has a WHIP just over 1, a 2.05 ERA, and has converted 90% of his save chances. That is AWESOME.
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Old 09-04-2007, 12:33 PM   #167 (permalink)
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Big surprise, the DBacks are in the middle of another slump. Goddammit they really piss me off. There is no consistency on the team whatsoever. At least there are still about 25 games left. The down times usually last about 10 games when they can't hit, can't pitch, and can't field. Then they go and take 9 of 12 when they can't do anything wrong. Fucking young players.
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Old 09-07-2007, 02:04 PM   #168 (permalink)
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Two new PED users outed:

Rick Ankiel, HGH

Troy Glaus, steroids

In Ankiel's case, HGH was not banned by MLB at the time so he may be alright. Glaus isn't so lucky, his stuff was sent to him after steroids were banned. This will be interesting.
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Old 09-07-2007, 05:19 PM   #169 (permalink)
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Interesting article about steroids, HGH, and double standards:

Jayson Stark - Exposing Our Double Standards   click to show 


If cheating is cheating, why are we quick to give Ankiel a pass?

Anybody watching Atl/Was? Halfway through the 7th inning and Smoltz is pitching a no-hitter. I'd love to see him finish this one out.
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Old 09-07-2007, 10:52 PM   #170 (permalink)
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I think I've been pretty consistent in my views about PEDs. If they were using before MLB banned the substance I don't really give a crap. If they continued use or started up after the ban then nail them.
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Old 09-10-2007, 07:08 AM   #171 (permalink)
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Another...Gibbons received banned drugs.

If you have seen Jay Gibbons' health issues and physical changes over his career, then this surprises you about as much as finding out that Barry Bonds actually IS a jerk.
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Old 09-10-2007, 08:50 AM   #172 (permalink)
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Closers are held to such ridiculous standards.
Very true, and I agree, but consider a few things...

1. When a closer comes in, the game has essentially already been won (OK it hasn't but that's the way a typical fan sees it) All a closer has to do is get 3 outs.

2. A closer ALWAYS knows when he will be coming in, there is no guesswork as far as warming up goes. Therefore he should be well warmed up and ready to go.

3. A closer usually has the best "stuff" of the entire pitching staff. If not the "best" they usually have an above average fastball and an equally good "other" pitch to make outs with.

That all adds up to "we should win" whenever the closer comes in. Obviously getting 3 outs in the Majors is much easier said than done. But looking at the closer's role vs. all that they have going for them, it's obvious why fans are upset whenever a closer blows a save. I can really understand it as of late with K-Rod blowing #6 of the year the other night.
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Old 09-13-2007, 09:19 AM   #173 (permalink)
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So the season is over, anyone care to give out early picks for postseason awards?

NL MVP
1. Prince Fielder
2. David Wright
3. Eric Byrnes

AL MVP
1. ARod
2. no point in listing anyone else

NL CYA
1. Peavy
2. Webb

AL CYA
1. CC Sabathia
2. Beckett

NL ROY (lots of great rookies in the NL this year)
1. Ryan Braun
2. James Loney

AL ROY (not many good candidates)
1. Dustin Pedoria
2. Brian Bannister

I don't know the AL managers well enough to pick a MOY for them but Bob Melvin seems like a clear winner in the NL.
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Old 09-13-2007, 10:16 AM   #174 (permalink)
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Very true, and I agree, but consider a few things...

1. When a closer comes in, the game has essentially already been won (OK it hasn't but that's the way a typical fan sees it) All a closer has to do is get 3 outs.

2. A closer ALWAYS knows when he will be coming in, there is no guesswork as far as warming up goes. Therefore he should be well warmed up and ready to go.

3. A closer usually has the best "stuff" of the entire pitching staff. If not the "best" they usually have an above average fastball and an equally good "other" pitch to make outs with.

That all adds up to "we should win" whenever the closer comes in. Obviously getting 3 outs in the Majors is much easier said than done. But looking at the closer's role vs. all that they have going for them, it's obvious why fans are upset whenever a closer blows a save. I can really understand it as of late with K-Rod blowing #6 of the year the other night.
I have to add to your list..... the closer has to mentally tougher than the majority of ballplayers.

If he goes out and gives up a 3 run homer and blows the save and loses the game, he has to have that mindset that allows him to totally blow that night off so he can come in the next night and get the save and win.

The #1 killer of all closers isn't his arm, shoulder or age, it's that mental toughness, that being able to be a goat one night and a hero the next.

That is why it's truly hard to find those great closers that will save 40+ games year in and year out.

(SP have 4-5 days at least to overcome getting shelled, regular RP take solace that there are others in the pen that can come and save them and be called upon the next day. Position players, they know they'll have 0 for games and they'll commit a couple errors. Very rarely though do they commit them and cost the game in the final inning and the fans, don't truly hound the position players.)

Now the career pinch hitter was always what I considered the hardest position. Closers at least get to warmup in the pen. Back in the day, Rusty Staub used to have to come out cold, no warm up at bats, with the game on the line and be expected to move the runner. And he was one of the best at it. Yet, as a position player.... he pretty much sucked and his BA wasn't all that great.

(The DH, he gets a few times up.... he's "warm".)
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Old 09-13-2007, 10:24 AM   #175 (permalink)
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So the season is over, anyone care to give out early picks for postseason awards?

NL MVP
1. Prince Fielder
2. David Wright
3. Eric Byrnes

AL MVP
1. ARod
2. no point in listing anyone else

NL CYA
1. Peavy
2. Webb

AL CYA
1. CC Sabathia
2. Beckett

NL ROY (lots of great rookies in the NL this year)
1. Ryan Braun
2. James Loney

AL ROY (not many good candidates)
1. Dustin Pedoria
2. Brian Bannister

I don't know the AL managers well enough to pick a MOY for them but Bob Melvin seems like a clear winner in the NL.
I'll go with most of your picks with the exception of the AL CY. I think (unfortunately) Wang will get the nod over Beckett simply because of the yankee's comeback and the rest of their shit staff.

I only hope Pedoria doesn't win the AL Rookie .. that thing is just like the Heisman.. it's cursed.

AL MOY .. well that would be Francona
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Old 09-13-2007, 11:43 AM   #176 (permalink)
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Wang very well could but if it isn't Sabathia it should be Beckett. Even Escobar is a better choice than Wang. Santana would be a great choice but if think (in a figurative sense of course) like the voters do, Santana has too many losses.

I just think there is nothing spectacular about Wang. He doesn't strike batters out, his ERA is really high for a CYA winner (14th in the AL), he doesn't do a great job at keeping runners off base, and he probably won't get 200 innings (IMO something that is almost a requirement to me).

No bias there about Francona, right?
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Old 09-13-2007, 01:28 PM   #177 (permalink)
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Come on, you know Panella deserves manager of the year EVERY YEAR!! The guy is PURE entertainment!
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Old 09-17-2007, 05:51 PM   #178 (permalink)
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The Mets have obviously forgotten how to play the game of baseball.
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Old 09-17-2007, 10:38 PM   #179 (permalink)
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I'll go with most of your picks with the exception of the AL CY. I think (unfortunately) Wang will get the nod over Beckett simply because of the yankee's comeback and the rest of their shit staff.

I only hope Pedoria doesn't win the AL Rookie .. that thing is just like the Heisman.. it's cursed.

AL MOY .. well that would be Francona
ROY I think should be Garko. But he misses by 36 AB. if he had just had 149 AB last year instead of 185 he would be eligible..... unfortunately....

Cy Young I can see Sabathia and Carmona going 1 and 3 in voting.

It won't be Francona.... he was expected to win. If anything the Bosox and he haven't lived up to what they should have done. If he wins, it is solely because he is from Boston and not how he ran the team.

MOY I see Wedge, anyone thinking the Indians would have the second best record in the Majors early on, was either smoking something back then or is lying now. Wedge and Shapiro both built this team and have gotten the best out of each player.

I see Shapiro getting executive/GM of the year.

Of course it all depends on how far the Tribe goes, but come on, Carmona and CC have had great fucking years and there isn't a better 1-2 combo in baseball. Hell, you add Westbrook and Byrd from the All star break you have one of the best and deepest pitching staffs since the mid '90's Braves.

Then of course the Indians do better than the Braves because of the offense (90's ATL had no fucking offense to save their ass.... that's why they only could win 1 WS).

The bad thing about all this is IF the Indians go all the way and win the WS... I see Sabathia gone to FA in '09, if not by trading deadline next year. However, if the Indians advance but not that far, I see Sabathia re-signing because he wants a ring and to play for a winning team more than anything.
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Old 09-18-2007, 06:41 AM   #180 (permalink)
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Yeah I was joking about Francona..

The Bo'Sox are doing what they always do.. giving us fans heart attacks.

After watching Beckett and Wang go head to head, I'm giving the CY to Beckett. Considering the improvement over last year, he's more than deserving. That isn't to say that Sabathia hasn't been brilliant.. but for me it goes to Beckett.. with a little bias

Looking back at the thread I was one who never would have thought the Indians would be in the position they are. However, I wonder just what they will do in the playoffs.. part of me says one and done.. the other part of me is a little worried.
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:52 AM   #181 (permalink)
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Old 09-18-2007, 12:54 PM   #182 (permalink)
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The Bo'Sox are doing what they always do.. giving us fans heart attacks.
Boston fans aren't alone. Me and my fellow DBacks fans are going crazy right now. The division lead is down to 1 game.
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Old 09-19-2007, 09:23 AM   #183 (permalink)
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Now who was it that was trying to comfort me about the Gange trade??

Mother Fucking Eric Gagne can't pitch in the 8th inning to save his goddamn mother's life.

Go back to Texas you overrated piece of shit.

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Old 09-19-2007, 07:25 PM   #184 (permalink)
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Oh my gawd, the Mets finally win a game! With Mike Pelfrey at that! What is this world coming to?
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Old 09-19-2007, 11:18 PM   #185 (permalink)
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Now who was it that was trying to comfort me about the Gange trade??

Mother Fucking Eric Gagne can't pitch in the 8th inning to save his goddamn mother's life.

Go back to Texas you overrated piece of shit.

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I haven't see him pitch in Boston. How are his mechanics/velocity/etc.? Does he appear injured? I almost guarantee he was a steroid user. He has all the trademark signs.
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Old 09-20-2007, 06:23 AM   #186 (permalink)
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His mechanics and velocity appear to be ok..

He blames it on the fact he's trying to do too much.

All I know is that he fucking sucks since he came to Boston.

Of course, the rest of Boston's bullpen hasn't exactly been stellar lately. It's so sickening. It's like the skankees and bo'sox traded places in how their pitching staffs are performing.
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The Cubs have been in first for 32 of the last 34 games. They're one game up now.

Look for me by the visitor's dugout tomorrow afternoon (section 46, row 3). I'll be the guy in blue talking trash to the relief pitchers. I may (or may not) be as drunk as guccilvr.
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Old 09-20-2007, 07:28 AM   #188 (permalink)
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Gagne is damaged goods. Tommy John surgery twice? Yeah, good luck being the same pitcher after that. I had a feeling that it was a mistake for anyone to pick him up, especially BoSox at/near the deadline. I guess he did OK in Texas, but with his history of injury... seemed like a big gamble to me.
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Old 09-20-2007, 06:36 PM   #189 (permalink)
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Boston fans aren't alone. Me and my fellow DBacks fans are going crazy right now. The division lead is down to 1 game.
I ran into Brynes at the Scottsdale Fashion Square, earlier today. Although a brief conversation, he guaranteed me the Dbacks would make the playoffs.
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Old 09-20-2007, 07:07 PM   #190 (permalink)
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I am completely disgusted with the Mets.

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I'm no fair-weather fan. I've held out hope for them. I've endured their monthlong June slump. I've driven myself crazy going through the familiar routine of watching a starter put in six good innings, and have it all go down the drain in one inning by their bullpen. I've even become accustomed to watching Heilman or Wagner open the door and usher the other team right back into the game with a home run in the ninth inning.

I thought they had their turnaround moment when they got swept by Philadelphia last week and then go on a tear to sweep Atlanta. I even shrugged off a second sweep by the Phillies and the near sweep by Washington. But after watching last night's game where they blew two 3-run leads, I'm done. That game had me so upset that I had a dream where I bumped into Willie Randolph in the city and flipped out on him. Time and time again, sloppy defense, sluggish batting, horrendous relief pitching, or a combination of all three have allowed the Mets to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I can't watch them anymore this season, I'm throwing in the towel.

I haven't given up on the Mets, the Mets have given up on themselves.

And I don't want to hear shit from the Red Sox nation. Even if Boston loses the AL East to the Yankees, they're still going to the playoffs with a wild card spot. The Mets have no safety net.

I feel better now.
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Old 09-21-2007, 04:52 AM   #191 (permalink)
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The magic number is 9....

If anyone's looking for me this afternoon, I'll be in Section 46, Row 3 at Wrigley this afternoon hoping that the Pirates roll over and play dead.

If the Mets played the Red Sox now, who would manage to lose?
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If the Mets played the Red Sox now, who would manage to lose?
who knows..they'd play for a week before someone finally stepped up.


Both bullpens are shit right now.

I can't believe I'm getting smack from a fucking Cubs fan.
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I can't believe I'm getting smack from a fucking Cubs fan.
Believe it, baby. All I know is that this is the year and I BELIEVE.

I expect to get kicked in the sack by these fucks in 3, 2, 1.... I was at the Bartman game and that still hurts. I cut way back on the number of games that I've been to this year because of the debacle that was 2006.

Is it possible that the 2007 Red Sox are the equivalent of the 2007 Notre Dame football team? Well, that's not really a fair analogy since the Sox DID win some games. Maybe they're more like every other Red Sox team minus the 04 version.
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You'd just better hope Steve Bartelman isn't in the stands
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You'd just better hope Steve Bartelman isn't in the stands
Who the fuck is Steve Bartelman?

Do you mean Steve Bartman? If you do, then I'd happily sit next to him. Moises Alou not so much since he ruined Bartman's life, but Bartman would be fine as far as I'm concerned.

Gonzales cost us Game 6 on the next play when he booted that ball, not Bartman. Bartman was just the distraction from what happened on the field.
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Believe it, baby. All I know is that this is the year and I BELIEVE.

I expect to get kicked in the sack by these fucks in 3, 2, 1.... I was at the Bartman game and that still hurts. I cut way back on the number of games that I've been to this year because of the debacle that was 2006.

Is it possible that the 2007 Red Sox are the equivalent of the 2007 Notre Dame football team? Well, that's not really a fair analogy since the Sox DID win some games. Maybe they're more like every other Red Sox team minus the 04 version.

Holy fucking shit. I can't believe you'd actually compare us to Notre Dame. WTF.

I seem to recall a college football team this year that lost to Cal and Florida. Ha.

Like every other Red Sox team..pfft. I guess I'll just say the Cubbies are just like every other cubbies team.. they look like champs until it really counts and they'll fucking choke and be one and done.

Give me a series between the Cubbies and Bo'Sox.. please..oh pretty please. You'd be eating your feet big boy.

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We interrupt this bithcy fan-boy bore-fest to announce that my Angels are currently the proud owners of the best record in baseball, and have the opportunity to be the first team to clinch their division with a win tonight over the Crash&Burners, oops, I mean the Mariners.
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I ran into Brynes at the Scottsdale Fashion Square, earlier today. Although a brief conversation, he guaranteed me the Dbacks would make the playoffs.
I've finally come around to Brynes this year but he needs to step up, fast. He had a .651 OPS in August and currently has a .798 OPS in September. As of now, it is highly improbable that they don't at least get the Wild Card. With 9 left to play, that is pretty safe.

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Who the fuck is Steve Bartelman?

Do you mean Steve Bartman? If you do, then I'd happily sit next to him. Moises Alou not so much since he ruined Bartman's life, but Bartman would be fine as far as I'm concerned.

Gonzales cost us Game 6 on the next play when he booted that ball, not Bartman. Bartman was just the distraction from what happened on the field.
It's good to hear that. Bartman was a scapegoat for a total collapse. Terrible management by Dusty.
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:02 AM   #199 (permalink)
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Believe it, baby. All I know is that this is the year and I BELIEVE.

I expect to get kicked in the sack by these fucks in 3, 2, 1.... I was at the Bartman game and that still hurts. I cut way back on the number of games that I've been to this year because of the debacle that was 2006.

Is it possible that the 2007 Red Sox are the equivalent of the 2007 Notre Dame football team? Well, that's not really a fair analogy since the Sox DID win some games. Maybe they're more like every other Red Sox team minus the 04 version.
Holy shiite, are you freakin nuts? I, naturally agree with gucc. on this one. yes, the team with the best record in baseball for 95% of the season is the equivalent to one of the worst NCAA D1 football teams. You should not be allowed to watch sports. Actually you should be made to watch sports. Cubs games in particular. I'd say this Cubs team is exactly the same as every other Cubs team, minus the 1908 version.
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Old 09-21-2007, 04:09 PM   #200 (permalink)
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Holy shiite, are you freakin nuts? I, naturally agree with gucc. on this one. yes, the team with the best record in baseball for 95% of the season is the equivalent to one of the worst NCAA D1 football teams. You should not be allowed to watch sports. Actually you should be made to watch sports. Cubs games in particular. I'd say this Cubs team is exactly the same as every other Cubs team, minus the 1908 version.


You know how to get under the skin of ANY sports fan ANYWHERE? Compare their team to the current ND offering.

I'm in Chicago. As Gucci alluded to, I'm a big UT fan, and we've gotten our ass spanked a couple of times this year.

We're still better than ND, and it tickles me pink to say that in this town. I can also say that we're better than Michigan and not have to lie TOOOOO mcuh.

By the way, that's 13-8, bitches. For all of you watching at home, I was the guy in the green shirt and sunglasses for all the left-handed batters. Magic number is 8 as of now.

I BELIEVE.
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