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SecretMethod70 · 12-16-2004, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron Opal

No, its the Pope's position that sex be heterosexual and within the bonds of marriage. And not too many Christians really care what the Pope thinks. Sure, the Catholics have too, he's the boss there. The Episcapalians and Anglicans politely listen, and then ignore what they don't like. All of the other denominations don't give a rat's ass what the Pope thinks, and occasionally get a kick out of defying some edict.

The Episcipalian stance is that contraception is practical, and homosexuals are welcome in the church. Yes, they do insist that sex wait until marriage. If I recall correctly, the only Christian demonination that has a contraceptive ban is Catholic. Acceptance of homosexuality varies widely between denomination and parish.

And it's only hypocracy if you preach one thing and practice another. Determining what the Bible is telling us and what is relevant to today's world is what Bible study groups are for, and they can get quite lively with their discussions. It is those discussions that religious and faith-filled people determine what and how they are going to practice their faith and how it pertains to sex and other issues.

Did I have sex before marriage? Sure, it was great fun. But I took responsibility for my actions and we have a lot of options not available to the ancients. The Bible is not, actually, an iron clad document. Many Christians believe that it is. Many also do not.

heh, you haven't known many Catholics either then

Most Catholics are much like how you describe Episcopalians and Anglicans. Part of the reason for this is that they understand that almost everything the Pope says is not considered infallible, just authoritative guidance. Furthermore, most Catholics who were around at the time the Catholic church stated that contraception was wrong are also aware of the circumstances surrounding the decision. A council of bishops was convened to analyze the situation and nearly all (minus I think 3 or 4) agreed that they were not a problem. The Pope sided with the miniscule minority. Hence why my grandmother, one day after a mass when the priest was preaching about the Catholic church and contraception, walked up to him and told him that when the church would pay for the roof over their heads, then she would stop using contraception.

Jdermit101 · 12-16-2004, 08:06 PM

God said more than "go forth and multiply" when it comes to sex. It doesn't make any sense to me to say "I believe in Jesus Christ" and then go on to say "I don't have any rules regarding sex."

snowy · 12-16-2004, 08:08 PM

Religion doesn't come into my bedroom. Spirituality is another matter entirely.

SecretMethod70 · 12-16-2004, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdermit101

God said more than "go forth and multiply" when it comes to sex. It doesn't make any sense to me to say "I believe in Jesus Christ" and then go on to say "I don't have any rules regarding sex."

Not necessarily. From a fundementalist perspective, where the bible is taken and interpreted literally almost across the board, then yes that makes no sense. But from a perspective which recognizes that the bible is very metaphorical and interprets it according to the historical context in which it was written, seeking for the greater underlying messages meant to be conveyed, it's perfectly reasonable.

MSD · 12-16-2004, 10:43 PM

Now that I think about it, I did invent a sexual position called "The Jesus." I'll just leave the rest to everyone's imagination.

zombie_sympathi · 12-17-2004, 12:22 PM

neither my partner or i are religious, so religion has no place in our relationship or in our beds. [or anywhere else we might feel like it.]

AquaFox · 12-17-2004, 01:45 PM

last time i was at chuch my attention went wondering before it started......

has anyone ever wanted to or dreamed about having sex or masterbating in a church?? and has anyone actually one it?

i wouldn't really want to do it in the chapel, but maybe in some of the other rooms of the building.... the chapel would just seeem soo odd!

Devoid · 12-17-2004, 01:53 PM

I don't subscribe to a religion, but my wife is pagan. So we're free to do whatever our hearts, minds, and naughty bits desire. It's more fun that way.

World's King · 12-17-2004, 02:18 PM

Only the cross shaped dildo.

vox_rox · 12-17-2004, 02:37 PM

Okay, I actually said this, and it was true:

Jesus Christ, is that a tampon!?

Just to fill it out for you, I noticed the string between my teeth. On the other side of the coin, I earned my "red wings" that night, and I still remember it as some of the best sex EVER!

Peace,

Pierre

Gamer90 · 12-17-2004, 09:19 PM

Well, my faith has a big part of what goes on in the bedroom. I consider myself a Christian, although I'm not an official member of the church I go to. The basic tenants are love, respect, and responsibillity. In the past I treated my lovers with love and respect, and I was mindful of the consequences of my actions. Children are a consequence of sex, so I never slept with a woman that I didn't at least like and I never had a one night stand.* I was fairly intelligent and took sensible precautions so that I didn't have to make difficult choices.

Currently, I'm married and I have a wonderful son.

Now, if you are refering to sex before marriage, acceptibility of anal sex, homosexuality, etc. My faith guides me there just as strongly. As long as I treat my partner with love, respect, and responsibility, there really isn't anything else to worry about. Jesus gave us two laws, love God with your whole heart and love others as you love yourself. The intent of the law and the prophets depends from those two laws. So, as I see it, as long as I do that I don't think God really cares how my love for another is expressed as long as I follow my guidelines of love, respect, and responsibility.

Baron Opal

* Ok, there was one. And, wow, what a mistake. It's why I never had another.

I feel the same way, as long as you love the person, respect their bodies and are a responsible person then everything is all right!

kjtomson3 · 12-18-2004, 02:02 PM

My girl and I debate theology...while we fuck.

SiN · 12-18-2004, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaFox

has anyone ever wanted to or dreamed about having sex ... in a church?? and has anyone actually one it?

absolutely, and not yet.

i think that'd be neat though.

I wouldn't do it to 'offend' anyone or defile/disrespect anything (altho of course some would say that the act itself would..)...

my intention would be more the neatness/aesthetic/slightly creepy and disturbingness of it.

to answer the original Q - religion doesn't really get much into my house, much less my bedroom.

El Kaz · 12-18-2004, 02:28 PM

The only example of "religion getting in the bedroom" I can find is a little anecdotical story.

I had this girlfriend who had a rather big crucifix just above the door of her bedroom. When I first saw it I presumed she was christian, but in fact, she was pretty much atheist (Well, she was uncaring about the existence or unexistence of a God.. is that atheism or agnosticism? anyway...).

So the crucifix was a gift given to her by her christian ex (the hypocritical kind of christian.. but let's not go there), altough she insisted on keeping in there.
When she moved to a new house, she also insisted on putting the crucifix above the door of her new bedroom (She always was a rather puzzling girl...), which happened to be right in the middle of your view when lying on her bed.
So many, many nights I passed, after she fell asleep after we had sex, staring at the crucifix in the dark, couldn't help it but to see a glimpse of disapproval in the Christ's eyes... Man that was creepy.

Aladdin Sane · 12-18-2004, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Prophet

Why the idea that all people who are religious are Puritans? (That is assuming you are speaking of Christians.) I think you are very wrong. Why would there be a problem here? I think most people of religion, and Christian are included, are as open sexually as any other group. God doesn't tell you not to have fun in the bedroom.

The Prophet is 100% correct. God created sex and made it feel good. Why shouldn't us Christians have as much fun in the bedroom as anybody else?

Tophat665 · 12-18-2004, 07:20 PM

Well, lets just say that Mary may need to change her name.

Kidding! It should be obvious from the post that I don't have any religion that would interfere with the bedroom, so it is irrelvant, unless it wants to film.

Gamer90 · 12-18-2004, 11:35 PM

Not necessarily. From a fundementalist perspective, where the bible is taken and interpreted literally almost across the board, then yes that makes no sense. But from a perspective which recognizes that the bible is very metaphorical and interprets it according to the historical context in which it was written, seeking for the greater underlying messages meant to be conveyed, it's perfectly reasonable.

I believe what you are referring to is Contextualism those who interpret the bible not follow it as a historical context.

tooth · 12-20-2004, 11:15 AM

I spank my wife with a crucifix. Does that count?

Stompy · 12-20-2004, 11:17 AM

Here's another possibility of how far I would let religion go into my bedroom: http://www.divine-interventions.com/jackhammer.html

Classic!

AquaFox · 12-20-2004, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Stompy

Here's another possibility of how far I would let religion go into my bedroom: http://www.divine-interventions.com/jackhammer.html

Classic!

those are soo insane . . .

livingfossil · 12-20-2004, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by filtherton

You know, the exhibitionist in me thinks it's kind've hot, because even though no one else is around, i can always count on god to be watching me.

That proves god's in more than just one place, because he's always watching me too!

analog · 12-20-2004, 11:09 PM

God gets a LOT of shout-outs during sex, but my being a religious person has no bearing on my sexual life.

That being said, the bond of sex with someone you love is a truly rewarding and holy experience for me... There are few things (for me personally) that could be more intimate or special (even if animalistic).

Xenomorph · 12-21-2004, 12:20 AM

Yeah, no sex until marriage.

It's a simple rule. I don't quite understand the controversy. If you follow it and screw up, atone in whatever manner your faith allows you to. If you don't follow it, there's not much of an issue and you're left with having to make the 50th snide comment of the thread. I'm a Catholic, and I'll get to the birth control mess once I get married. Humanae Vitae, the document that bans contraception, is a papal encyclical. It wasn't made ex cathedra nor is it officially infallible dogma, and although I'd follow it in a perfect world, I'm not going to have any more children than I can support.

I've made a conscious decision to trade the pleasure and conquest of unrestrained sexual activity for the reportedly awesome experiece of giving and receiving someone who has never known the sort of bond that takes place during sexual experience with anyone else. I'm not an angel, and I make my fair share of pit stops to the titty board, but I haven't found the urge to stick it in one of my girlfriends holes so completely overpowering as to be irresistable.

longbough · 12-21-2004, 01:45 PM

In the bedroom I am her pagan god and she is my loyal servant.

longbough · 12-21-2004, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tooth

I spank my wife with a crucifix. Does that count?

Gee. When I used to date her it was a menorah.

toxic515 · 12-21-2004, 02:27 PM

Hmmmm, well, I'm an ordained minister, as well as a swinger. Strange as that sounds, there is a logic to it. I certainly have a level of religious commitment, but it's between me and my own ethics. I believe in objective reality. The bible actualy has very little if anything to say about sexual practices, instead focusing on ethical issues, such as not stealing something that is not yours. Frankly, that's a principal we could all use living by. Consensual sexual activity is, as far as I am concerned, all that is required. I have a commitment (read CONTRACT) with my wife with certain stipulations, and those are items that I CHOOSE to live by. So happens that it includes the ability to have relations with others, within certain boundaries. I'd say that religion DOES step into all bedrooms, in one way or another, simply because societal norms are patterned after "traditional" Judeo-Christian values (here in the US, and most of Europe) Even the atheists have some level of intrusion, even if it is simply intentionally defying tradition, or just not caring about it, the values implanted by merely living in the society are there.. That's not a bad thing, per-se, as some level of conformity is required for basic socialization. ;-) Bang on!

Zerakule · 12-22-2004, 10:04 PM

I'm with some of the people here,
A few "Oh gods" and "Sweet jesus' " is about as far as it goes.

GraveTaker · 12-23-2004, 01:49 PM

i don't let go anywhere near the bedroom although i'm "not allowed" to have sex before marriage which to me is complete bs

longbough · 12-23-2004, 01:53 PM

Does the Gideon Bible in the hotel/motel room count?

12-16-2004, 08:08 PM	#43 (permalink)
snowy Kick Ass Kunoichi Location: Oregon	Religion doesn't come into my bedroom. Spirituality is another matter entirely. __________________ If I am not better, at least I am different. --Jean-Jacques Rousseau

12-17-2004, 01:45 PM	#47 (permalink)
AquaFox WaterDog	last time i was at chuch my attention went wondering before it started...... has anyone ever wanted to or dreamed about having sex or masterbating in a church?? and has anyone actually one it? i wouldn't really want to do it in the chapel, but maybe in some of the other rooms of the building.... the chapel would just seeem soo odd! __________________ ...AquaFox...

12-17-2004, 01:53 PM	#48 (permalink)
Devoid Psycho Location: Floating amongst the ether	I don't subscribe to a religion, but my wife is pagan. So we're free to do whatever our hearts, minds, and naughty bits desire. It's more fun that way. __________________ We're here to steal your pornography, and sodomize our vast imaginations. - Inignot

12-17-2004, 02:18 PM	#49 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	Only the cross shaped dildo. __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

12-17-2004, 02:37 PM	#50 (permalink)
vox_rox Psycho Location: Comfy Little Bungalow	Okay, I actually said this, and it was true: Jesus Christ, is that a tampon!? Just to fill it out for you, I noticed the string between my teeth. On the other side of the coin, I earned my "red wings" that night, and I still remember it as some of the best sex EVER! Peace, Pierre __________________ --- There is no such thing as strong coffee - only weak people. ---

12-16-2004, 08:06 PM	#42 (permalink)
Jdermit101 Tilted	God said more than "go forth and multiply" when it comes to sex. It doesn't make any sense to me to say "I believe in Jesus Christ" and then go on to say "I don't have any rules regarding sex."

12-16-2004, 10:43 PM	#45 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	Now that I think about it, I did invent a sexual position called "The Jesus." I'll just leave the rest to everyone's imagination.

12-17-2004, 12:22 PM	#46 (permalink)
zombie_sympathi Upright Location: AR	neither my partner or i are religious, so religion has no place in our relationship or in our beds. [or anywhere else we might feel like it.]

12-17-2004, 09:19 PM	#51 (permalink)
Gamer90 Tilted	Well, my faith has a big part of what goes on in the bedroom. I consider myself a Christian, although I'm not an official member of the church I go to. The basic tenants are love, respect, and responsibillity. In the past I treated my lovers with love and respect, and I was mindful of the consequences of my actions. Children are a consequence of sex, so I never slept with a woman that I didn't at least like and I never had a one night stand.* I was fairly intelligent and took sensible precautions so that I didn't have to make difficult choices. Currently, I'm married and I have a wonderful son. Now, if you are refering to sex before marriage, acceptibility of anal sex, homosexuality, etc. My faith guides me there just as strongly. As long as I treat my partner with love, respect, and responsibility, there really isn't anything else to worry about. Jesus gave us two laws, love God with your whole heart and love others as you love yourself. The intent of the law and the prophets depends from those two laws. So, as I see it, as long as I do that I don't think God really cares how my love for another is expressed as long as I follow my guidelines of love, respect, and responsibility. Baron Opal * Ok, there was one. And, wow, what a mistake. It's why I never had another. I feel the same way, as long as you love the person, respect their bodies and are a responsible person then everything is all right!

12-18-2004, 02:02 PM	#52 (permalink)
kjtomson3 Psycho	My girl and I debate theology...while we fuck. __________________ i'm a kind of tired sleep just won't cure

12-18-2004, 02:28 PM	#54 (permalink)
El Kaz Crazy Location: Canada	The only example of "religion getting in the bedroom" I can find is a little anecdotical story. I had this girlfriend who had a rather big crucifix just above the door of her bedroom. When I first saw it I presumed she was christian, but in fact, she was pretty much atheist (Well, she was uncaring about the existence or unexistence of a God.. is that atheism or agnosticism? anyway...). So the crucifix was a gift given to her by her christian ex (the hypocritical kind of christian.. but let's not go there), altough she insisted on keeping in there. When she moved to a new house, she also insisted on putting the crucifix above the door of her new bedroom (She always was a rather puzzling girl...), which happened to be right in the middle of your view when lying on her bed. So many, many nights I passed, after she fell asleep after we had sex, staring at the crucifix in the dark, couldn't help it but to see a glimpse of disapproval in the Christ's eyes... Man that was creepy.

12-18-2004, 07:20 PM	#56 (permalink)
Tophat665 Minion of the scaléd ones Location: Northeast Jesusland	Well, lets just say that Mary may need to change her name. Kidding! It should be obvious from the post that I don't have any religion that would interfere with the bedroom, so it is irrelvant, unless it wants to film. __________________ Light a man a fire, and he will be warm while it burns. Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

12-18-2004, 11:35 PM	#57 (permalink)
Gamer90 Tilted	Not necessarily. From a fundementalist perspective, where the bible is taken and interpreted literally almost across the board, then yes that makes no sense. But from a perspective which recognizes that the bible is very metaphorical and interprets it according to the historical context in which it was written, seeking for the greater underlying messages meant to be conveyed, it's perfectly reasonable. I believe what you are referring to is Contextualism those who interpret the bible not follow it as a historical context.

12-20-2004, 11:15 AM	#58 (permalink)
tooth Addict	I spank my wife with a crucifix. Does that count?

12-20-2004, 11:17 AM	#59 (permalink)
Stompy Banned from being Banned Location: Donkey	Here's another possibility of how far I would let religion go into my bedroom: http://www.divine-interventions.com/jackhammer.html Classic! __________________ I love lamp.

12-20-2004, 11:09 PM	#62 (permalink)
analog Banned	God gets a LOT of shout-outs during sex, but my being a religious person has no bearing on my sexual life. That being said, the bond of sex with someone you love is a truly rewarding and holy experience for me... There are few things (for me personally) that could be more intimate or special (even if animalistic).

12-21-2004, 12:20 AM	#63 (permalink)
Xenomorph Crazy Location: St. Louis, MO	Yeah, no sex until marriage. It's a simple rule. I don't quite understand the controversy. If you follow it and screw up, atone in whatever manner your faith allows you to. If you don't follow it, there's not much of an issue and you're left with having to make the 50th snide comment of the thread. I'm a Catholic, and I'll get to the birth control mess once I get married. Humanae Vitae, the document that bans contraception, is a papal encyclical. It wasn't made ex cathedra nor is it officially infallible dogma, and although I'd follow it in a perfect world, I'm not going to have any more children than I can support. I've made a conscious decision to trade the pleasure and conquest of unrestrained sexual activity for the reportedly awesome experiece of giving and receiving someone who has never known the sort of bond that takes place during sexual experience with anyone else. I'm not an angel, and I make my fair share of pit stops to the titty board, but I haven't found the urge to stick it in one of my girlfriends holes so completely overpowering as to be irresistable. __________________ The facehugger is short-lived outside the egg which normally protects it. Armed with a long grasping tail, a spray of highly-concentrated acid and the single-minded desire to impregnate a single selected prey using its extending probe, it will fearlessly pursue and attack a single selected target until it has succeeded in attachment or it or its target is dead

12-21-2004, 01:45 PM	#64 (permalink)
longbough Soylent Green is people. Location: Northern California	In the bedroom I am her pagan god and she is my loyal servant.

12-21-2004, 02:27 PM	#66 (permalink)
toxic515 Addict Location: Texas	Hmmmm, well, I'm an ordained minister, as well as a swinger. Strange as that sounds, there is a logic to it. I certainly have a level of religious commitment, but it's between me and my own ethics. I believe in objective reality. The bible actualy has very little if anything to say about sexual practices, instead focusing on ethical issues, such as not stealing something that is not yours. Frankly, that's a principal we could all use living by. Consensual sexual activity is, as far as I am concerned, all that is required. I have a commitment (read CONTRACT) with my wife with certain stipulations, and those are items that I CHOOSE to live by. So happens that it includes the ability to have relations with others, within certain boundaries. I'd say that religion DOES step into all bedrooms, in one way or another, simply because societal norms are patterned after "traditional" Judeo-Christian values (here in the US, and most of Europe) Even the atheists have some level of intrusion, even if it is simply intentionally defying tradition, or just not caring about it, the values implanted by merely living in the society are there.. That's not a bad thing, per-se, as some level of conformity is required for basic socialization. ;-) Bang on! __________________ Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.

12-22-2004, 10:04 PM	#67 (permalink)
Zerakule Tilted	I'm with some of the people here, A few "Oh gods" and "Sweet jesus' " is about as far as it goes. __________________ Good guys may always win, but it's the Bad guys that have all the fun.

12-23-2004, 01:49 PM	#68 (permalink)
GraveTaker Crazy	i don't let go anywhere near the bedroom although i'm "not allowed" to have sex before marriage which to me is complete bs __________________ GraveTaker

12-23-2004, 01:53 PM	#69 (permalink)
longbough Soylent Green is people. Location: Northern California	Does the Gideon Bible in the hotel/motel room count?