Sleepyjack

Seconds after posting another sillyl topic about men likeing to be objectified, i thought of this

Male or Female?

Reasons/experiences?

edit:Although i don't think it's appropriate to quickly write down men, purely cause they're probably more sexually driven or sexually explict, i am going to say men, based on myself..to a degree

RAGEAngel9

Both...
It's too easy to find examples of both.

lurkette

Yeah, it's totally an individual thing.

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maxhooters

both, men are alot more these days but women dont get started

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Andy

Why is superficial such a bad thing anyway? People often claim, "I can't control my looks, judge me for my intelligence," or something of that ilk.

Going to look at a few factors, am interested in hearing good arguments, because I'm sure there are many.

Can you control how much money you have? To an extent. You can study hard, work hard, and take risks. Does not always work, but generally, it does. Obviously, it helps to be naturally book-smart.

Can you control your looks? To an extent. You can exercise, eat well, practice hygiene, take care of your face (facial products, shaving for men, etc), and dress well. Again, it helps to be naturally good-looking.

Can you control your intelligence/personality? Not quite so much. By intelligence, I mean along the lines of common sense and not necessarily book-smart (people don't care as much about that unless they want you to make lots of money, though some people tend to assume this goes hand-in-hand with common sense). How about how good of a conversationalist you are? There's no easy way to change this: it would help to join common-interest groups, but that wouldn't guarantee improvement. And if you are shy? You could be screwed in this category. And finally, your overall personality? You naturally have desires to be a certain way: generous, kind, evil, selfish, etc. that are mostly determined by your environment growing up. For all you nice people, do you think you could bring yourself to be mean for a full day? Lie, cheat, and steal? Threaten people? Hurt people? I don't think so. People can change over time, but I don't see it any easier to control than your money or looks.

All of these categories have both intrinsic and extrinsic factors, and I don't see any reason to say one is easier to control than another or that it is wrong for a person to value any one category more than the rest.

Superficial just is an insult that ugly and poor people use to make themselves feel better. Sorry to come out so blunt. Flame away.

P.S. I voted for men.

RAGEAngel9

Superficial doesn't HAVE to mean physical appearance. Spend some time in acedemia(fuck I can't spell).
Anyway, you'll find people with such a hardon for pure knowledge that they often forget that there's other parts of their lives. Sometimes I just don't understand how people can have so much trouble balancing. I guess it's just because I've always been moderate to a fault.

In conclusion...
Paris Hilton = physically superficial (gold digger)
Many professors = mentally superfial (Sorry. I couldn't think of any examples that most people would know)

lurkette

Andy, I don't think the issue is that people don't want to be judged based on things they can't control. I think the issue most people have with "superficiality" is that, rather than taking a person as a whole, superficial people focus on one thing: looks, money, fame, what car they drive, whatever. I would say someone who focuses only on intelligence, or only on profession, or only on whether they're good parenting material, is just as "superficial" as someone who focuses only on looks. We tend to associate superficiality with preference for attractiveness because frankly we're a visual species and that's the most common type of superficiality out there. Plus, it's such a temporary thing to focus on: beauty is fleeting, but stupid is forever.

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bermuDa

I think superficiality depends on how we judge strangers by what little we know about them before we decide to interact with them or dismiss them outright. Be it a girl who is receptable only to guys who look wealthy, a guy who only hits on a certain body type or hair color, or even a school admissions officer who dismisses a student because of their GPA. Superficiality is as permeable as racism... as a visual culture, we are trained from an early age to make judgments based on a limited amount of information, and it's a tough habit to break.

But by leaving us with a choice between male and females, you're asking us to make a superficial decision right now.

I'd go on but i'm already late to class!

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Andy

Good responses, people. Point taken. Thanks

motdakasha

Not going to answer this poll because the question itself is superficial. :P

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Sleepyjack

i apologise, i was giddy at the time