fik

Hair, she's fair.

If she's old enough to walk to the Seven Eleven, she's ready for the BIG GULP.


Seriously now, 17 is the absolute youngest I'd date.

thedrake

Unless you want to chance jail time, 18 and older

punkcatman01

No answer?!?!?!?!?

streak_56

I usually don't go lower that 17... there has been only one exception... and that was a mistake. but 17 seems like a good limit to set for me.

skier

It's true though all the hormones they feed cows (estrogen, Growth hormone, etc.) go into their milk. Basically it concentrates it. I'm all for the accelerated growth from milk theory

edit: missed the whole 2 more pages thing...
It's my belief that young girls are maturing physically at an earlier age because the hormones in milk and some other foods "jumpstart" the process.

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mattsoft

I think it might just be from being around more "mature" things in schools.

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kulrblind

Granted, I skimmed (no milk pun there) the responses so far, but I do feel I can voice an opinion here.

The teen-pages and whatnot don't necessarily do it for me, though some barely-18/19/21-claiming women who don't look like children definitely do something for me. I guess for me it's all in context. If it appears that someone legal is doing something of their own volition (and we dont need to start on the pressures of the sex trade or gender-roles in a patriarchical society), there's all the more attraction.

Secondly, I find it interesting that women used to be sexual objects at 15, 16, 17, and 18 a hundred years ago (and further back), as partners, mothers, etc. And with the advent of "women's liberation" and the associated desire to compete equally with males of the world - career, education, etc - meant that women weren't seen in that light until they were well into their 20s, and now that same liberation, coupled with changing societal norms and new gender roles means the sexualisation of "teens" at younger and younger ages once again. What do people make of this?

Sorry for the oft-derailing train of thought. Feel free to poke holes in my stream of consciousness; I don't claim infallibility.

That said, I have an aside which I think is on topic, as others have mentioned diet, urbanisation, and lifestyle. While travelling in Scotland a few years ago, it seemed to me that UK women (generalisation!) seemed to show the more physical signs of womanhood (hips, breasts) at earlier ages than in North America. Anyone out there have a view on this? I wasn't sure if I should attribute it to diet, considering the horribly fattening diet in North America, but there was little else I could go on.

Wow. long post. sorry

mattsoft

nice theory.

btw, I like your one quote, "Feel free to poke holes in my stream of consciousness". I set that as my msn screen name. the futurama quotes are getting a little old. lol

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teriaki

Girls are dressing more provacatively and behaving in an increasingly sexual manner - I'm 27. I lost my virginity when I was 17, and I was in a committed (albeit bad) relationship.

All my friends lost their virginity when they were around 14. I sat back and watched and just waited.

My cousin is 14, and her mom found an open box of condoms in her purse this past weekend. She's been dressing like Britney, or Christina or whoever is on the top 40 this week since she was 11 or so.

Now, I wasn't allowed to dress like that, or wear the makeup, or "walk the walk" as it were.

Guys, they're dressing so you'll look. As parents should know, it would be incredibly unrealistic to allow them to dress/act like that and not have sex earlier, or be seen as older, or "ready".

My supremely tacky brother said once "If they're old enough to bleed, they're old enough to breed".....it seems to be a working statement anymore. As disappointing as that is.

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isis

I lost my virginity when I was 17. Much younger than 16 or so I think is just .. too young. I, thankfully, was really prepared for the whole event so it never really made a big [emotional type] impact on my life. A lot of girls I know who lost theirs around 14 have really regretted it.

lsd

Well it is a tough question... And everyone has pretty much answered it. We place legal limits on the age i guess to make
our old asses feel better. Legally i have to say what ever your
law says but however i personlly believe 16 to be the proper
age.

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mattsoft

sorry if this is a little too religious, but I beleve governmental laws aren't gods laws. although if you brake gods law you might go to hell, but if you brake a governmental law you suffer consequences in this lifetime, which could be a living hell.

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Drider_it

Well.. no matter what age it is .. its the persons choice.. no matter what set of rules.. weithe they be religious or gov't that you drill in to a person.. when they chose the time .. they will do it thier way. Its up to the parents and such to instill a since of morality in to that person to help them understand what may lay ahead.

from experience.. seeing how my bro in law is in jail.. i think that if you touch a person under 18 you should fry.

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Personally, I am at the point where the age of 18 is the lowest that I would go. You have to look at the legal limit, but there are some 17 year olds that are going on 25, but you have to be strong.

Plan9Senior

18 is the youngest I would bang, but 21 is the youngest I would date.

Nancy

I just found out today that they've raised the age to 16 which I think is good!

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Consent in Canada is 14!
Ha! :/

bigbad

While consent is 14 here, there's no way I'd ever consider having sex with someone that young. I may looky, no touchy though. I subscribe to the rule half your age + seven for the moment, which means 18 is lowest I'd go.

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Mehoni

Guyswise I tend to prefer older men. Younger guys are just too much of a hassle.

I would probably never date anyone under 20.

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ah yes.
the so-called mohammad's rule for dating (<a href="http://www.turnmeloose.com/03/romance/" target="_blank">online calculator here for the mathematically challenged</a>). it seems to be fairly socially acceptable and applicable to sex.

since i'm 20, i try (and succeed) in keeping my age requirements at 18, and if they don't meet my personality/maturity requirements they're outta here. i had a very bad relationship experience once and it messed me up for a long time. i now have to go through lengths to make sure that kind of thing never happens again.

mattsoft

ok, so acording to that rule, it would be ok for me to date 17.5 to 28. would it be that bad if I liked a girl who's 16?

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nanofever

But at the low end of the spectrum that rule system kinda breaks down.

A 16 year old can date a 15 year old
An 18 year old can date a 16 year old.
A 20 year old can date a 17 year old.
A 22 year old can date an 18 year old
A 24 year old can date a 19 year old.

Something seems off but what do I know.

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donc1961

Anyone under 18 is to young!! But for those of us who enjoy LOOKING at sexy young girls (Sexy-not nude) I wish there was more available. I would never think of actually having sex with a 12-16 year old girl but masturbating to pictures of them is just as good(and as long as they are not nude photos its legal)

isis

See, I don't really agree with that. I wouldn't want you looking at pictures of my 12 year old daughter (Proverbially speaking, I am definitely not old enough to have a 12 year old ;D) .. I don't think they're old enough to make a conscious decision on whether or not pictures of them should be taken and used for things they don't know of.

Honestly, I believe thats why kiddie porn laws are in place. Even though they may be clothed, I still think its wrong.
Nothing against you, Donc1961 or anyone else who enjoys partaking in activities like this, but I think it is just wrong.

mattsoft

I beleve porn is as adictive as smoking. a lot of people smoke a pack or more a day. if people are looking at any type of pics of 12-16 year olds, it is very possible it would move on to rape. it happens every day. even if they're clothed, it is possible they wouldn't be after a few months or a year or 2.

my friend, who is 16 and I care for with all my heart, doesn't like me looking at any kind of porn. I am gladly trying to quit, but that's why I say it's so much like smoking. it's not easy to stop doing it. I may go back to it sometimes and beat myself up for doing it, but I have my mind set on quitting cuz I care for her that much.

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Giltwist

Let me just mix things up a little bit. What about emancipated minors? In other words, people under the age of eighteen that the justice system has decreed capable of taking care of themselves.

doncalypso

I am currently 22 years old, and my girlfriend will turn 21 in July.

I could never conceive myself being with someone below age 18, and if I were single I probably wouldn't date any woman more than two years younger than me (much less have sex with them).

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StormBerlin

16 is the age of consent where I'm from. Chewybaca96 and I met when I was 16 and he was 23. It was totally cool with my folks (wacky Europeans, go figure) and there were no legal repercussions unless my folks decided there should be. Good rule. We're still together, living happily together with plans on getting married.

Moral of the story - Age is only a number, but check with your state laws first because they make the rules

Oh, BTW, I forgot to add all the shit I went through because of it. Stupid high school games. He lost some good friends over the whole deal, and I got to figure out who my real friends were.

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Vales419

As my Pappy once told me.

Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed.

V.

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mattsoft

1. ever hear of a thing called birth defects

2. who would support the child? most likely the girls family, if she doesn't have an abortion. I know if I was a 14 year old girl, I'd love to do that... isn't the world screwed up enough as it is?

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HYEHORSE

it's topics like this that have me praying to God everynight not to have girls when im ready to have kids someday.

dfence

Haha so true HYEHORSE!!
A 50% chance.... that's terrible...

MasterOfDisaste

for me being 20 id say 16 is the youngest i would go )

ninety09

I wouldn't date anyone who's under 17. People under that age can change a lot in a short amount of time, and I have trouble seeing how anything serious could come out of such a relationship.

loonatic8her

Well let me chime in on this one... I was in a night club about 8 years ago. at the time I was 30 matter of fact it was my 30th birthday party... I was in a club and was rollin.. (doing X) and this unbelivable hottie came up to me and started dancing.. we had drinks, at the clubs bartop, made out on the dance floor, practically fucked in the club bathroom... so needless to say I got a good look at her and never once considered the fact of her age... we went back to my place fucked like madd all night long... time to take her home the next morning... well Mom was waiting on her and yelled at me and threw things at my car screaming at me because the girl was only 15.... well I never went back, but I was scared for a long time afterwards.... 3 months later same girl in the same bar.... Parents should look after their children a little better. I feel badly about it but if I had it all over to do again without checking ID's I'd do it again!

Sweetpea

I was just having this debate with friends last week . . I feel that 17 . . . 18 is not too young . . . anything younger doesn't seem appropriate . . . because mentally, they are still kids until they are about 18 and have had some life experience . . . but some 16 year olds can still look very pretty yes . . .

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snowy

I'd say under 16 is too young...that's the age of consent in the UK and I agree with that assessment. I think that having the age of consent of 18 in the US is kind of...archaic. Kids under 18 DEFINITELY have sex and they DEFINITELY know what they are doing. Despite that...for me, personally...under 18 is too young. I once had to card a guy (now my lover) to make sure he was 18...he had literally turned 18 the week before. :P He's seasoned quite well in the two years I've known him, but maturity is relative. Though he was very inexperienced, he was very mature for his age, and that impressed (and still does impress) the hell out of me.

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wolfpack0102

im tempted to say 16

WriterZero

This is one of the things that drives me nuts whenever I find myself at the mall. I guess it's a sign that I'm now older than I feel, but I'm a constant peoplewatcher, and there are all these amazing looking girls in the mall. Then I get closer and realize they are fourteen, thirteen, or younger. Aagh! You can hardly even tell anymore.

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El Kaz

Under 17 is a definite low, 17 and 18 are case-by-case.. I WILL consider the possibility, but the girl has to be convincing that she's done with the teenage attitude.