This line here should immediately qualify this thread for inclusion in the Hall of Fame.

Pig, you really need to come outta your shell... :P

I'm hoping this is a joke and you're not actually blaming violence on circumcision??!! :oogle:

Great post pigglet, loves it :thumbsup:

WTF

What kind of a comment is that?
How does any violent country or people historically fit into that?
What about present day Canada its circumcision percentage is similar to the U.S.?

why would you post something like that.

Nothing casual about it.

I'm happily circumcised as is my 3 year old at my behest.

I did all the research prior. There are minor but real benefits to being circumcised, plus he will fit in better as well.

Added, of men who were circumcised later in life, almost all reported no change or better sex after circumcision. Obviously you can't compare those who never were and those who were since birth.

The emotion though is I think less aimed at those of us who do it and more aimed at trying to justify not doing it. Few want to be different and stand out, so they over compensate with language claiming superiority loudly and calling parents like me names.

Um, wanting to be different? The people against modifying their children's genitals?

I agree.

Female here. No preference as each is sexy in its own way :p

The argument that women have told circumcised men about a horrific smell in uncircumsized men is ludicrous. That's tantamount to saying men should shave their underarms because of the smell. Those are musky natural scents which are going to seem different the first time a woman encounters an uncut guy.

FWIW, if I'd have given birth to a son, I would not have had him circumsized.

Although I agree with you, I have to point out that the appendix is still with us and can cause no end of problems. So much for evolution. :)

I've often wished I hadn't been cut. Like when I feel like I'm being rubbed raw against my boxers just walking. Doesn't happen often mind, but then I wish there was some extra protection. :eek:

And by not modifying as such their children stand out in the US, and not in a good way.

Boys can be quite cruel about such stuff while they play their early dominance games.

The harsh language like mutilation come from that side, and their reaction over steps the procedure. Its attempting to make a major issue out of what at most a minor one if one at all.

From my point of view, I don't care if they aren't circumcised, and if they have to deal with smega and in some case tearing its not that bad I won't call them bad parents for that.

QFT.

And those of you saying women prefer cut men, don't realise that in countries where men aren't usually cut (i.e. most of the world), it's the complete opposite.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_New...ion_case/3792/

Now if they would just let every baby boy make their own decision as to if they want to get circumcised or not, it would be perfect. And since they aren't able to make that decision as infants, everyone should have to wait until they are 18 or if medically necessary to get this procedure done. In 1996, congress passed a law barring any form of female circumcision, even for religious reasons (the extreme being worse than male circumcision, but the minor FGM was about the same as male circumcision). Now if they would just make that apply to any baby, male or female, it is the way it should be.

And circumcision rates vary across this country, and in the west the circumcised ones are the minority. It is the irrational fear that other guys will tease the uncut ones, or the father is circumcised so the kid should be too that keeps it going. But that hardly ever happens, and if it did, it is probably because the circumcised guy is just jealous that the uncut guy has something that he doesn't have.

With everyone looking to save money everywhere now, I'm surprised that the private health insurance doesn't cut it as a benefit. I would bet a national health insurance plan wouldn't pay for it, because it doesn't for routine circumcision in countries that already have a national health care system.

OK, are you saying "good" parents will want to avoid their son's potential emotional damage in a locker room situation? By circumsising him.
Call me crazy, but IMO good parent would talk to his kid and explain to him why his penis looks a certain way and reassure him, instead of slicing part of it off early.
Quit bringing up the smegma(or smell issues, etc), you don't see european kids running around with smegma dripping from their shorts. Because, just like here in the U.S, they take showers.
Cosmetic surgery on a baby is not a minor issue.

You know I didn't read your old post saying you were uncut, it explains it.

I don't think its a big issue, its those uncut that do.

From studies of Russian Jews who moved to Israel and got circumcised as adults there, almost all thought the results were favorable to being uncircumcised.

I'm happy with having my kid circumcised and I'm not upset with my parents for doing it to me. I'm sure those 'good' parents who don't and then explain to their children why they are different do so in terms of being superior to make their snowflake feel better and later they make sure to tell their friends how they were mutilated by their parents unlike what his parents did.

Anyways, cut and happy, enjoy that foreskin if you aren't.

Uncut and happy here. Honestly, getting a chick to start blowing when she's confronted with the "flap" is the easiest part of the process. Getting her drunk enough* to get down on her knees in the first place is the hard part.





*Just kidding. Mostly.

Don't you just love how heated of an issue this is. You will always have somebody who believes there way is the only way to be and if you don't agree then you are a child abuser. Mainly that is just for the uncut person.
Those who are cut now, pretty much where born when it was highly recommended at the time. Now most doctors do not tell that. They present the case for and against it.
Most of those who were cut as babys feel no regret on their parents decision.
So it has come to be the social norm for a baby to be cut.
In the end, its the up to the parents, much like those with little girls getting their ears pierced. Both are more for aesthetic reasons then anything else, but would these people arguing against giving a parent the choice say the same for ear piercing?
As you can tell, Yes I am cut, and my 2 boys are cut. Do I feel cheated by not having my foreskin, not at all. Does my wife feel cheated by me not having foreskin, certainly not.
As for the ones who claim its child abuse to allow an unnecessary surgery on your baby, call CPS please. Take the time to report each person who takes there child into the hospital to have some part of the body the removed or some foreign object inserted into the body.
I know I will be high on the list since both boys have had ear tubes and their anoieds removed (just another unless part of the body). The anoieds where removed to help prevent future ear infections only. Those with children who have to go thru this will know most doctors will say to go ahead and remove the anoieds and tonsils at the same time as putting in ear tubes, regardless if they are causing a problem at that time. This is just to save the cost and risk of future surgery JUST IN CASE they cause a problem in the future.

On a final note for the idiots who want to take more of our rights way.
I've always enjoyed the right to make my own decisions for me and my family. If insurance does not want to pay for this anymore, so be, I still want the right to chose. I want my kids to have the same rights as me when it comes to their family in the future. I will always be against any new law that bans your right to a choice. Enough with the idiots who want take away with our right to make our own choices. If you feel to stupid to be able to make your choices and feel their needs to be law to make it for you, go check yourself into a special needs house, so you will never again be bothered by having to think again.

My penis is better than yours. It always has been. Cut/uncut, my parents made it so. Or I decided to take it into my own hands to make it so. And I will defend and justify this til my death because me penis is a very important topic. It never smells as I spend hours cleaning every curve and contour. It pleases everyone it's touched, by the sheer power of it being cut/uncut.

My son's penis will also be better than yours and everyone else. I will take great joy in living vicariously through his youth; his awkward teen years wondering what everyone's penis looks like, also having all the girls worship me for giving him the best damn penis in the world. Well, second best, of course.

I'm just happy to have one. *thumbs up to penis*

It has nothing to do with cultural propaganda. I like it better, just like I like "innies" for belly buttons more than I like "outies." That's a surgical procedure too, if you want to split hairs. It doesn't mean it's propaganda, or that I've somehow been manipulated. I just prefer to see one over the other.

If I have a male child he will be circumcised.

It happened to me, and I'm happy with the results.

Therefore it follows that I will continue with something I am happy with, in absence of evidence which provides a convincing reason to deviate. No such evidence exists which has convinced me of such.

QED?

And by the way, comparing female circumcision to male circumcision is like comparing vitamins to nerve gas.

I think you guys need to watch the Penn & Teller episode one more time. Here's a link:
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3497129/...s_(49_Episodes)

Laws are there to protect the weak and to allow the individual to decide what is best for them. Girls now have to wait until they are 18 to decide. And in Oregon, this 12 year old boy gets to choose. (from the link higher up on the page). And unless it is a real medical necessity, I don't feel that parents should even be routinely asked at the hospital if they want it done, but I'm sure they still are. It should be up to the individual to make that choice when they are old enough.

Thats what you say, I say different, and I have so decided for my son.

I'm glad I'm circumcised and I'm glad I didn't have to do it as an adult. Win, win.

Uncut is disgusting and unsanitary, IMO. I mean, I make a big enough mess as it is, and I'm cut. :lol:

My dad said the only reason they had it done was so I would "look like daddy." His was done at birth also, and dad didn't want me growing up with some stigma about looking different.

I would really like to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread . . .

I recently became involved with my first "uncut" guy and was scared to death . . . but reading this has really helped me to understand that it's not a bad thing.

So I will definitely continue to hang out with him, and explore this new kind of penis :)

im cut. dont give a fuck. i like myself how i am.

New guy here. Please be gentle! :D

I'm cut, and I must admit I'm a bit annoyed I was cut. But I'm not angry about it. Here's why.

First, I was loosely and evenly circumcised, leaving me with a lot of my original penile structure (part of frenulum, inner foreskin, and possibly the edges of the ridged band) as well as a reasonably loose skin when erect.

Second, medical society in the sixties and seventies were extremely hostile towards the male foreskin. Even if I wasn't cut, there was the real risk of being injured by my parents and/or having a condition misdiagnosed, which would have meant being cut just the same, but at a time I was aware of my own existence! Ouch!

And third (the most important), I've never felt as if my sexual capabilities were compromised. Full body orgasms? Check. Painless and pleasurable penetration for both of us? Check. Satisfied girlfriends? Check. (She wants me to come over to her place AGAIN?!? :) ) In fact, I'm now in my forties and I feel as if my libido is actually increasing! I feel like I'm faster. Stronger. Better.

Ok, maybe not faster. That ain't a good thing anyways. :)

I'll be honest. I sincerely don't believe that circumcision is a good idea except under specific medical conditions. Personally, I'm okay. But I attribute that mostly to my pediatrician's experience, a steady hand, and maybe a bit of luck. I have serious reservations over all the supposed "research" being conducted on the benefits of circumcision. Whichever report I find on the subject, I either find a report that contradicts the results, or I find something obviously wrong with the original report. And if those reports on the benefits of circumcision are wrong, the reports studying penile sensitivity between cut and uncut men may also be just as flawed regardless of the outcome.

Just as others here have indicated, neonatal circumcision is nothing more than cosmetic surgery for babies. Putting aside all the claims of barbarism and human rights violations, ANY cosmetic surgery performed on a HEALTHY part of a baby's body is complete insanity!

But at the same time, all the outlandish claims over the negative effects of circumcision are also just as insane. I can't believe the opinions of the anti-circ lobby which often degrade into emotional hysterics. If just being slightly circumcised should have sexually crippled me, how can I still be completely satisfied following a sexual experience? I've had situations where oral sexual stimulus became so intense that I actually had to yell out "PLEASE STOP!!! OH GOD PLEASE STOP!!!" It simply doesn't make sense. If circumcision was turning men into eunuchs worldwide, wouldn't that have affected the birth rate by now?

That's where I was a month ago, just before I decided to try out my own little experiment.

Yes, I'm restoring my foreskin.

As I've said before, I'm annoyed at being circumcised, but not angry over it. But I'm still fascinated by the idea of actually rebuilding my foreskin. When I see an uncircumcised penis, I see something that looks natural, all dressed up, and pretty handsome. I've never seen it as an ugly or stinky body part.

Yes, I know my new skin won't be the original, but if my guess is right, it'll be pretty damn close. The restored foreskin will be an extension of the remnants of the original, meaning that as the skin grows and expands, so will the blood vessels and nerve endings, possibly replacing nearly everything that was originally lost.

Aside from the lack of a ridged band (for which I have doubts over the sensitivity claims), my new foreskin will probably be very close to the look and feel of the original. It may even look and feel better than the original since I have full control over the restoration process. I can decide how long or how short I want it to be instead of having mother nature make that decision for me.

The major questions which this one year experiment will help answer are:

- Is there a marked difference between the sensitivity of a covered glans and an uncovered one? I've had a taste of that when I switched from briefs to boxers many years ago. The glans was protesting so much that I could barely walk! After being desensitized however, my sexual abilities haven't really changed. So what's the deal here?
- Is the sex better? Or is it simply different? Leave the emotional luggage behind, and concentrate on the actual improvements. Don't just say it's better because it's different. You just need to change techniques to achieve that regardless of your condition.
- How closely can I make this thing look like what I'd like in a foreskin? Will I change my mind and stop the restoration process early? Will I overdo it and end up with a ridiculous amount of overhang? Or will I like the results so much that I'd want to decorate my penis with some jewelery such as a pinless prince's wand? (No, I'm NOT kidding! They're incredibly fascinating! And no piercings required!)

The restoration process I'm using is the T-Tape method. The materials are cheap and readily available, the process itself is discrete and is easy to control, and after a month of restoring it's actually showing some initial results. It's a fascinating body modification with all the benefits of body piercings and tattoos, but without the hepatitis. :)

So to both the pro and anti circ lobby groups out there on the Internet, you're all on notice. Your credibility will be determined by the ACTUAL results I'll achieve with this little experiment, without all the emotional hysterics that too often accompany the subject.

there must be a reason that we are born with it.
its natural.

:thumbsup:

I'm cut. Any sons I have will be cut. And none of it will be done for a religious tradition, either.

My ex was cut. My son is uncut. I didn't see the need for cosmetic surgery on my perfect infant son.

As for sex, I've been with both, and I actually prefer uncut. Because the foreskin slides, I find that it's more about the pressure and motion and less about the friction. It just feels better. And giving a handjob to an uncut guy is fabulously easy.