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onodrim · 02-08-2006, 11:09 AM

As others have said, I think it comes down to exposure in terms of removing the "ick" factor. A lot of things in the past were likely misunderstood and part of a more hidden/secretive community. So the simple lack of knowledge led people to believe it was odd, unusual, unhealthy, whatever. However with all the sexual information available today, so many more people are open to trying things because they're able to see it in a light other than "the unknown" or what have you.

However, I think there's a big difference between an increase in anal sex for example and the issues you brought up such as beastiality, scat, etc. That difference being health, physical and emotional. There is nothing wrong with anal sex, BDSM, etc, it's a person's choice whether they want to engage in those activities, but in most cases they are not harmful. Whereas bestiality, scat, etc are definently harmful to a person's body and mind.

The_Jazz · 02-08-2006, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights

Go back far enough and we all share a common ancestor. Be you a Creationist, or an evolutionist, that much is certain. Therefore, my wife may well be my 210th cousin, 798 times removed. Nah...I don't see it as degrees of the same thing, at all.
For the sake of argument, though, let's define "relative" as 1st cousin, and closer. Now...does nature build in an Ick Factor, to keep us from nailing our own sisters, mothers, aunt's, and 1st cousins? Hell, let's even remove 1st cousins from the equation (just in case there are West Virginians participating.

J/K) Is there a programed Ick Factor there? Or is it another learned response?

Thank you for making my point for me. The Ick Factor is mobile. In West Virginia, the Ick Factor will not include first cousins (to continue the joke) but it would in Chicago. In parts of New Guinea, canibalism wouldn't make the list, but it will pretty much anywhere else. The Ick Factor is completely subjective and depends on the culture and experiences of the individual saying "ick".

Let's say that in early youth and adolence you hung around with a bookmobile-driving Chicken Fucker (to blatantly steal from South Park). If the only sexual outlet you ever saw involved a guy in a rainbow suit making sweet love to a chicken, well, you're probably going to grow up thinking fondly of the clucks of love. Sorry, I'm just trying to make a point.

SecretMethod70 · 02-10-2006, 02:09 PM

Incest is a topic I hadn't thought of when I first posted. Freud would say (Civilization and its Discontents) - and this applies to some of these other topics as well - that the "ick factor" towards incest evolved over time for the stability of civilization. That said, I think immediate family is the only one that people are genetically predisposed to find repulsive. Socially, cousins have also filled into that category, but there are plenty of cultures in which relations with a cousin isn't totally unheard of. The idea of relations between a brother and sister is MUCH more rare.

Gilda · 02-12-2006, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kramus

What do you call "chicks with dicks", or trans-gendered post-op people?

Women, or if you're talking about FTM's, men.

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Folks who have been altered in some ways for sexual purposes.

Transsexuals don't alter their bodies for sexual purposes for the most part. A tiny minority do, but they're the exception. For the vast majority, It's about identity, changing her body to match who she feels herself to be inside. Many are asexual before transition or afterwards. It isn't about sex, it's about soul, about being true to who you are.

Gilda

Gilda · 02-12-2006, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SecretMethod70

As far as UsTwo's point about the eventual legalization of homosexual marriage eventually leading to the legalization of multiple partner marriages and so forth, that's the logical conclusion, but things don't always follow logic. I don't think legalized multiple partner marriages are all that close, but that's not to say they may not eventually happen.

Polygamy isn't a logical extension of same-sex marriage. That's a meme that's been promoted over and over again by opponents for so long that it's reached the point where people are beginning to accept it as true.

Removing sex as a required factor in determining who can marry whom doesn't logically extend to the removal of number or age or species or degree of familial relationship, all of which are seaparate issues deserving their own separate discussion and debate.

Gilda

SecretMethod70 · 02-15-2006, 05:18 PM

I'm not sure I agree with that. The way I see it, at least, the base argument for homosexual marriage (which I support, btw, for this very reason) is that it is not the place of society to place boundaries on the validity of different types of love between consenting adults. In this way, allowing multiple partner marriages is a necessary extension of allowing homosexual marriages. Any other explanation for the legalization of homosexual marriage, IMO, is simply a compromise to appease those who would fear a departure from their own traditional values.

02-08-2006, 11:09 AM	#41 (permalink)
onodrim Cosmically Curious Location: Chicago, IL	As others have said, I think it comes down to exposure in terms of removing the "ick" factor. A lot of things in the past were likely misunderstood and part of a more hidden/secretive community. So the simple lack of knowledge led people to believe it was odd, unusual, unhealthy, whatever. However with all the sexual information available today, so many more people are open to trying things because they're able to see it in a light other than "the unknown" or what have you. However, I think there's a big difference between an increase in anal sex for example and the issues you brought up such as beastiality, scat, etc. That difference being health, physical and emotional. There is nothing wrong with anal sex, BDSM, etc, it's a person's choice whether they want to engage in those activities, but in most cases they are not harmful. Whereas bestiality, scat, etc are definently harmful to a person's body and mind. __________________ "The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there’s little good evidence. Far better it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides" -Carl Sagan

02-10-2006, 02:09 PM	#43 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	Incest is a topic I hadn't thought of when I first posted. Freud would say (Civilization and its Discontents) - and this applies to some of these other topics as well - that the "ick factor" towards incest evolved over time for the stability of civilization. That said, I think immediate family is the only one that people are genetically predisposed to find repulsive. Socially, cousins have also filled into that category, but there are plenty of cultures in which relations with a cousin isn't totally unheard of. The idea of relations between a brother and sister is MUCH more rare. __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

02-15-2006, 05:18 PM	#46 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	I'm not sure I agree with that. The way I see it, at least, the base argument for homosexual marriage (which I support, btw, for this very reason) is that it is not the place of society to place boundaries on the validity of different types of love between consenting adults. In this way, allowing multiple partner marriages is a necessary extension of allowing homosexual marriages. Any other explanation for the legalization of homosexual marriage, IMO, is simply a compromise to appease those who would fear a departure from their own traditional values. __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling