ShaniFaye

(I wasnt sure if this was the right forum for this, since I dont hang out here much)

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/05/rob...ron/index.html


Ok, now this just pisses the hell out of me.....its people like this that keep me from believing organized religion is a good thing. I believe in god, thats no secret but this man just continues to say crap like this, and he honestly believes it!!!

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Rekna

I think pat robertson tries to offend as many people as possible. I'm a devote christian and every time he talks he offends me. One of these days he will have a stroke or a heart attack and then we can all say "God is punishing him for being a jackass and somehow thinking he spoke for God"....

ShaniFaye

People like roberston scare me.....he emboides everything I find wrong with the world of religion today....I know Im not supposed to judge but good grief he needs a chill pill IMO

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Grasshopper Green

I agree with both of you. This is the sort of thing that really turns off non-Christians (and other Christians, obviously) and gives Christianity a bad name. The thing that is really scary is how many people follow him and believe what he has to say.

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alpha phi

Robertson is pretty much a nutter
what get's me is that he says
"that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine retribution
for the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza"
I would belive god smote him because
he is a mass murdering war criminal.
On trial
List of crimes
But not for attempting peace in the region
Robertson is far beyond waiting for revelations to unfold....
He is actively pushing events to force end time prophecy.

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cyrnel

*Sigh*

Who will we have when Robertson finally goes off the air?

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alpha phi

The anti-christ......and he will have 43 more followers
seriously....there are hundreds just like him
waiting in the wings.
His son is rising in the ranks too
/scary

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Lebell

Oh.

Is he still around?

And does any idiotic thing that spews forth from his mouth still make news?

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Elphaba

Thank you, Labelle.

matthew330

"And does any idiotic thing that spews forth from his mouth still make news?"

Of course it will. Because it's perfect ammunition for the liberal media to demonize the republican party and christianity. I don't identify with those thoughts any more than the rest of you, but I read that article much differently then the rest of you.

It try's to equate an extreme religious view (albeit harmless), as having significant influence in the republican party. An influence that amount to "a political agenda for the entire world." I've seen Robertson many times, and he has more to say, much of which I have agreed with, than the quotes in this article, In fact, I can't say I've ever heard him say anything this far out any time i've watched him.

This crazy ass quotes are "nothing new to the Christian communty." Seriously, what are you people scared of. Do you really believe the implications of these quotes are as far reaching as the article would suggest. Let me put it another way, do you really believe the influence of these quotes are as far reaching in the christian community (or as devastating), as say a speach by a Muslim radical in that community - which the left spends time justifying - or at the very least doesn't "frighten" you.

You wonder why this makes the news, left by itself I bet this thread would go to 5 pages with the liberals on this board expressing their "moral disgust" at the quote, christianity, and conservatives. That should sort of answer your question.

flamingdog

He gets airtime and press coverage. He spews partisan bile and hatred then props it up by calling it God's word. And he's very possibly mentally ill.

Matthew330: I'm struggling to see what your point is. Do you agree with him? Are you saying nobody listens to what he has to say? Are you saying there ought to be no 'moral disgust' at what he says?

Say what you will about Sharon, Robertson's sense of occasion and timing sure do suck.

Elphaba

Matthew330: Perhaps you missed watching, but certainly must have heard of his call to assassinate Chavez? Or perhaps his condemnation of a PA town, who should no longer look for God in times of need.

He does this while raping other countries of their mineral and oil assets. Now, *there's* a righteous man.

docbungle

Um. What?

Until you, no one has mentioned republicans in this thread. Or the left or the right. Or liberals.

Are you saying the liberals created this story to make republicans look bad? Or are you saying that its liberals fault that Robertson says dumb shit like this?

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djtestudo

I believe he's saying that the story is written to make it appear as though Robertson's words have more weight then they really do in order to discredit Republicans/Christians/the right in general.

Now, that is only my impression from his post, since I didn't read the article as nothing Pat Robertson says has any relevence in my Republican, Christian life.

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pan6467

Robertson is a total nutcase. What's sad is he has a nice amount of followers, and other televangelists don't seem to refute him but rather embrace him. I think some of thise is because of fear that the last person who spoke against him (Jim Baker) ended up destroyed.

I had the displeasure of meeting the man once. My aunt worked for his animation department in the late 80's and early 90's, and when I was stationed in Norfolk I met up with her and she gave me a tour of the CBN facility in VA. Beach. That's how I met the old Pat.

He's very charismatic and his eyes and smile are almost hypnotic..... not warm or comforting but cold and seeing right through you, almost like looking for your weakness. And that was just my impression seeing him in passing, I can't imagine what the effect would be being around him on a regular basis.

I truly believe at one time he did mean well and probably had a great message to send, but the power and greed took over. I have a feeling there's a few skeletons in that man's closet and the hypocrasy in his life has made him totally crazy.

If this had been any other preacher saying this about Sharon, or Chavez or NO or all the other idiocies he has said, that preacher would be without a following or considered a freak with a cult following like Koresh. Unfortunately, he built up a following that as he grew bitter and evil grew bitter and evil with him.

Perhaps, someday before "God calls him home" (to quote another televangelist) old Pat will repent and try to make amends to society and those he has hurt.

For a follower of Jesus' teachings, the man doesn't turn the other cheek but rather finds his enemies' weaknesses and goes hellfire after them, kicking them when they are down. Some day hopefully his followers will wake up and see he teaches the opposite of what Jesus stood and stands for.

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Rekna

I don't think it is fair to associate Christians and Republicans. One does not imply the other in any way. I'm sure most people on this board will call me liberal and i'm a devout Christian.

pan6467

The only relevence he has to the GOP is that the leaders of the party use him to get elected and to promote their agendas.

Perhaps his insanity is related to the inner turmoil of trying to pass Jesus' teachings and being in politics. It has definately taken away from the true focus he states he has and that is on Jesus' teachings.

There are far more positive and better things to focus on in the Bible than the Book of Revelations.... Pat. Such as the Book of Matthew Chapter 7 and the story of the 2 houses and of false teachers.

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Paq

seriously...robertson, falwell and the like scare me more than any islamofascist terrorists...ever..ever..have.

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pan6467

There are a few that aren't politically driven (or try to keep politics out of their sermons) like Swaggert, Angely (right here in Akron), the Hour of Power guy, and Billy Graham.

Falwell pretty much really started it in the 70's with "the Moral Majority" and his boycotts of whatever HE (Falwell) deemed wrong. I remember this being the main reason my 2 favorite shows in the 70's (SOAP and WKRP) were cancelled. But, today Falwell isn't that much of a factor anymore, the battle with Flynt really did destroy Falwell.

Robertson just took it a notch higher and once he had eliminated his major competitor, who was more politically silent and taught acceptance of others and actually had a bigger audience, Jim Baker (IMHO a very good televangelist, in what he taught), Robertson was able to truly make waves and not have anyone stop him. And I truly believe Robertson's mission is to make Revelations a reality in his lifetime.

Yes, Robertson is a very scary individual in what he says and what he teaches. The scariest part is that the GOP sells out to the man for his votes. You have a President now that actually uses him as an advisor.

Politics makes strange bedfellows, who would have ever believed in the 70's that Rev. Moon and Robertson would not only support the same president but that president would use both as advisors? Or that both would be very powerful "news sources" to their followers?

If Baker hadn't fucked up and had he continues to keep swaying people away from Robertson, things may be totally different today in the realm of politics and religion.

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ShaniFaye

I would just like to say....I did not post this to start blasting parties, most of you know I dont hang out much in the politics thread and those of you who post here all the time scare the hell out of me (hehehe in a good way though)

My reason for the post was to, as a christian, talk about my disgust for the ideals that come out of this man and the gaul that he has to be God's PR man.

Isnt it possible to just take what he has said and not apply it to party lines?

oh wait...thats a dumb question isnt it

matthew330 said
well Im sorry matthew, Im not a liberal, Im a republican and Im here to express my moral disgust over Pat Robertson....NOT any particular party

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Charlatan

What are we scared of? The fact that this idiot *is* a mouth piece and is listened to by many, many people who take him seriously... including yourself it seems.

It is important to expose this charlatan for what he is... a ripe wind bag who *does not* represent the sentiments of the average Christian. Robertson has a big audience and the world is listening.

When the conservative media pundits and conservative politicians denounce him, I will be happy.

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Toaster126

Yep. I think Pat has done more to repel people from Christianity than he has to bring them closer.

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stevo

Whats the past tense of smote? has smitten? smoted? So robertson suggests God has smitten sharon? or robertson suggests God smitted sharon? maybe roberson suggests God has smoten sharon. this is very confusing.

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Cynthetiq

that was a good one!

I was just thinking, did Pat think that God smote the Muslims with the tsunami? or the earthquake in Pakistan? or the workers at WTC on 9/11?

Maybe God smote JFK for having too many affairs...

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Poppinjay

Pat on 9/11: "What we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact, God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve."


Keep in mind, this is the same man who in 1988 claimed that Bush Sr. was part of a cabal of witches determined to control the world. He then backed Bush Jr. in y2k.

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maleficent

smitten is the term used when one person has a sort of crush on another term - -so maybe god does have a crush on Sharon... Aren't Israeli's the chosen people, it'd seem appropriate that god did have a crush on one of them...

(goes back to work and waits for the fires of hell to come get her)

I think the term is Smited

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Gatorade Frost

It seems more to me that Matthew is saying that people will use this as a means to smear all Christians as Pat Roberston style Christians, and he seems to be annoyed with this.

I would count Instapundit as a media pundit:
PAT ROBERTSON OFFERS US ANOTHER REMINDER of why he was one of the original models for the term "idiotarian:"

Also, I've found The Corner to generally be a conservative group of pundits:
WHEN WILL PAT ROBERTSON FINALLY JUST SHUT HIS STUPID MOUTH?

Obviously these two posters don't hold near as much weight as say, a politician, but they tend to be on radio and t.v. news shows occasionally, so they have an audience.

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Bill O'Rights

I would agree with that statement. And if not "repel" people...certainly give them cause to take a step back and go...whoa.

I have seen Pat Robertson called a "nutter", a "nutcase", a "jackass", an "idiot", a "wind bag", and compared to islamofascist terrorists. And that's just in this thread. Ok...so, I'm inclined to agree. However...the man is also very charismatic. He has an agenda, and he has followers that he tends to manipulate, exploit and control. So also has every "cult" leader that has lead their flocks over the edge of the cliff. Jim Jones, David Koresch, Charles Manson, Marshall Applewhite, and even to some degree, L. Ron Hubbard and Fred Phelps. So, I think perhaps we shouldn't be so casual as to dismiss him as just another "nutcase". For a nutcase he may be...but I happen to believe that he's also a very dangerous nutcase.

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Charlatan

I get what he is on about and think, as usual, he is overreacting and missing the point that the only one smearing Christians in this case is Pat Robertson.

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Gatorade Frost

I agree with you, then, I just feel that his over reaction is a means to distancing himself from Robertson's statements.

But I'm with most people in the camp that Robertson should have tape firmly placed over his mouth and not take him out of the quiet time until he is old enough to make intelligent political commentary.

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roachboy

i dont think anyone in their right mind would confuse the raving of this tedious fundamentalist protestant tele-evangelist fuckwit with all of christianity.
you would have to have an understanding of christianity that is a crude and one-dimensional as, say, the american right's "understanding" of islam to reach such a ridiculous conclusion.
or you would have to actually believe the claim that floats from the right from time to time that it and it alone represents christianity by representing its extreme protestant reactionary fringe.
this in the face of all evidence and reason but it sometimes appears that contemporary conservative politics is not encumbered with a terribly tight relation to evidence and reason (they believe that hayek was describing something that acutally existed for example)

on the other hand, the extreme protestant right was and remains a significant element in the far right coalition fashioned by the republicans across the 1990s (all of which is a kind of colossal unintended consequence of the clinton/morris "triangulation" strategy)....so it seems to me that this kind of statement being associated with that coalition is not unreasonable...in fact, you would think that folk from the right woudl try to own up to iteven as it is embarrassing rather than whining about some fantasy left media conspiracy. robertson is your boy, conservatives---you use him and his influence when it is convenient and then try to distance yourselves when he says something embarrassing.

if this kind of statement is in fact an embarrassment and if it runs counter to the reality of the conservative coalition out there, then what one would expect to see is a distancing from the religious right on the part of the republican party.
have you seen any evidence of this?
i havent.

so it follows that embarrassment generated by people like pat robertson is a function of the way the right has constructed its social power.
so there seems to be no basis for distancing.
which explains bizare reactions like those posted earlier by matthew330---no other choice for the far right on this matter.

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alansmithee

The reason the Republicans won't distance themselves from Robertson is because he gets them votes. If they distance themselves, they risk losing votes. The same as how Democrats don't distance themselves from their nutcases (the dems nominate their nuts to head the DNC).

And it's humourous that you would say it's ridiculous to associate Robertson's views with all of Christianity, but have no problem associating those views with all Rebublicans/conservatives. It seems you must see conservatives everywhere, flying in black helicopters, shadowing people down dark alleys, sending thought-stealing rays at peoples' heads, etc. Not everything is some grand, conservative scheme for world-domination, nor are liberals somehow exempt from doing wrong.

And more on point, I used to think that Robertson had at least some redeeming values, but stuff like this makes it really hard to logically keep to that belief.

roachboy

perhaps you shoudl reread the post--i didn't say what you react to--i simply pointed out that the robertson squad is part of the right coalition.
this is not the same as associating him with all conservatives.
in fact, i would assume that many conservative are embarrassed by robertson (see above, your post included)--but this changes nothing about the fact that the right--which is now an extreme right coalition--courted the fundamentalist protestant fringe and relies on that fringe to get out votes---as you say.

you cant have it both ways--either robertson is of this grouping or he is not--you yourself concede that he is----so far as i am concerned, then, conservative attempts to distance themselves are laughable---the right has made its own bed and so should lie in it, whether individual conservatives like it or not. look at it as an exrcize in assuming responsibility. the right likes to talk about responsibility when it applies to other people. you rarely see them exercizing it themselves.

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highthief

But it is perfectly OK in some circles for people to characterize all Muslims based on the ravings or actions of bin Laden or the Ayatollah.

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Poppinjay

Yeah, but those circles are pretty much confined to Robertson and his devotees.

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Cynthetiq

really? I bed to differ and submit the bias crimes that anre and were committed against Muslims here in America aren't Robertson watchers or devotees. They are normal people who follow the impressions they get from the media.

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Willravel

Robertson is a bad man. I catagorize him similarly to those preachers who said Katrina hit LA because of hedonism. They would mislead the flock of God because of their own petty ignorances and bigotries. Even more sham on anyone who would allow themselves to agree with Robertson. He is wrong, and he is a bad Christian.

This isn't the old testment, Pat. And you're an idiot.

maximusveritas

I've said this in the other Robertson threads, but most people don't know that Robertson was a former Presidential candidate and that he did pretty well before self-destructing. He also has regular meetings with President Bush. If he's an extremist, than so are the Republicans.

Charlatan

Now that's just the kind of hyperbole we don't need.

Yes he ran for office and yes he's an extremist... but to then turn and paint *all* Republicans with the same brush serves no purpose other than to make you look bad and by the same sort of extension all others who would criticize the Republicans.

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pan6467

One could also look at it this way....

If you want to destroy religion's power in the political arena what better spokesperson to have?

Eventually, he keeps talking and the Right distances themselves realizing he costs them more votes than he gives them..... and religion would no longer truly have a voice in American politics for a long time.

But that wouldn't make sense to anyone but me and my conspiracy mind would it?

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