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Poppinjay · 01-06-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

really? I bed to differ and submit the bias crimes that anre and were committed against Muslims here in America aren't Robertson watchers or devotees. They are normal people who follow the impressions they get from the media.

We have a difference of opinion there. I don't believe anybody who has committed hate crime against Muslims are "normal". I think they are likely to be along the same intellectual ilk as Robertson.

Having come from a rural southern area where the population was openly encouraging of the local mosque and its members, I have to think it takes a special kind of ignorant person to attack Muslims based on bin Laden's activities.

ubertuber · 01-06-2006, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by stevo

Whats the past tense of smote? has smitten? smoted? So robertson suggests God has smitten sharon? or robertson suggests God smitted sharon? maybe roberson suggests God has smoten sharon. this is very confusing.

I'm pretty sure smote is the past tense of smite. Back to your discussion...

Paq · 01-06-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by maximusveritas

I've said this in the other Robertson threads, but most people don't know that Robertson was a former Presidential candidate and that he did pretty well before self-destructing. He also has regular meetings with President Bush. If he's an extremist, than so are the Republicans.

and?

j/k

The thing that bugs me most about robertson is that most sane people see him as a nutjob, but millions and millions hear him, AND believe him and what he says and not only that, but HE believes what he says. That scares me

maximusveritas · 01-06-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

Now that's just the kind of hyperbole we don't need.

Yes he ran for office and yes he's an extremist... but to then turn and paint *all* Republicans with the same brush serves no purpose other than to make you look bad and by the same sort of extension all others who would criticize the Republicans.

Say what?
He's an extremist and he has been embraced by a large segment of the Republican party and by the Republican President of the United States. So it seems to me that the Republicans are painting themselves with that same brush. I'm not doing anything but pointing it out.

pan6467 · 01-06-2006, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Paq

and?

j/k

The thing that bugs me most about robertson is that most sane people see him as a nutjob, but millions and millions hear him, AND believe him and what he says and not only that, but HE believes what he says. That scares me

Not only does he believe it he sells it as legitimate news.

Elphaba · 01-06-2006, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by maleficent

smitten is the term used when one person has a sort of crush on another term - -so maybe god does have a crush on Sharon...

Aren't Israeli's the chosen people, it'd seem appropriate that god did have a crush on one of them...

(goes back to work and waits for the fires of hell to come get her)

I think the term is Smited

Maybe Smitted on his bad self?

Guinevere · 01-06-2006, 12:39 PM

He's a dangerous man. He spews ancient poison and those of weaker minds and spirit are his target. Those with greater ambition use him for whatever acclaim. TV+Ancient Poison=Perpetual Chaos.

Locobot · 01-06-2006, 01:38 PM

This wouldn't be news if Republicans didn't get their marching orders from wackjobs like Robertson and Limbaugh. Here he is telling us Ariel Sharon (of all people) has fallen out of favor with god because of his peace agreements with Palestine. It will be a good day when Robertson falls ill, not a terrible thing at all.

Sharon is kind of interesting in that he was elected as an extremist, but became more moderate as time went on. Robertson is trying to make sure sure the next leader of Israel is a purebred ideologue without these tendancies toward peace.

It's sad that Robertson's able to represent himself as Christian.

Superbelt · 01-06-2006, 01:46 PM

I agree. His insane ramblings may seem humorous. But this guy is deadly dangerous.

Consider if we had a young Osama Bin Laden living in this country preaching to millions of Muslims about the same things he was preaching before 9/11.
He had not yet directly planned or caused any acts of terrorism, but was fanning the flames of fundamentalism much the way Robertson is now.
How harmless and kooky would he seem to everyone here?

I do see a difference between Osama and Robertson. But it is a matter of power.

Osama WANTS power. He doesn't have it, so he creates violence to fill that void as a way of spreading his word and influence.
Robertson has PLENTY of it. He has had private meetings with several Presidents, has multimillion dollar deals with foreign heads of state, started enough organizations that have net assets of well over 100 million dollars and is part of a culture that is the undisputed cultural ruler of the world.
Robertson doesn't need to create violence. He is much closer to his version of victory than Osama.

Switch their positions Osama is a highly influential cleric in a theocratic national government of the United States of Arabia. He can support his nations war to oust the dictator of the Nation of Texas (what some of the more liberal Arabians are calling an oil war

), but Osama doesn't have to actually lead any terrorists himself.

Cleric Robertson and Falwell, on the other hand, lead a small band of fundamentalist christians in the hills of Colombia. The culture of the US of Arabian permeates the world, Arabs control Israel, and have bases in many North American nation states.

One day, 12 Christians from Topeka fly planes into Mecca and Medina. Later the 700 Club takes responsibility.

I can DEFINETLEY see these men switching positions like this in a different world. One where Robertson doesn't have such access, prestige, freedom to push his poison.

This guy has MILLIONS of followers and financial backers. He started or helped start American Center for Law and Justice, Christian Broadcasting Network, the Christian Coalition, the Flying Hospital, International Family Entertainment, Operation Blessing International Relief and Development Corporation, and Regent University, and The 700 Club. The 700 club, by the way is shown twice a day on Disney owned ABC Family. The channel is contractually required to.

This 'christian' invested millions in a Liberian gold mine, and did his damn-ness to help the brutal dictator of that country from an ouster.

He's called for the wholesale assassination of the State Department

Quote:

"Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up" –Pat Robertson

Hugo Chavez

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"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with." –Pat Robertson

, Strongly 'prayed' that something would happen to each SC Justice that was on the more leftward side, Revels in Sharon's ailment.
Anyone who follows him is either deluded or insane. But it only takes one sick individual that takes his prayers, wishes, ideas to heart, to cause a disaster. He is feeding some dangerous flames.

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"Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history." –Pat Robertson

The trail of tears, slavery in america, the Holocaust, say Hi Pat!

This isn't the comedy goldmine of 'Pastor Gas'. This fucker is just evil.

Elphaba · 01-06-2006, 02:45 PM

Ironman posted this in the General Forum, so I promptly stole it. I find it odd that the White House would strike out on the Sharon comment, but merely gave a shrug to the call to assassinate Chavez. Must be the difference between friend and foe.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4589270.stm

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US attacks TV host on Sharon slur
By Justin Webb
BBC News, Washington

Pat Robertson
Mr Robertson is an influential figure in US politics
The White House has been unusually sharply critical of one of the president's most prominent supporters, religious broadcaster Pat Robertson.

Mr Robertson suggested Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine punishment for the withdrawal of Israeli settlers in Gaza.

A White House spokesman described the broadcaster's remarks as "wholly inappropriate and offensive".

The remarks were also immediately attacked by the Democrats and American Jewish groups.

Evangelical Christians are an important part of the president's core support and generally the White House avoids attacking them, even when Mr Bush does not agree with what they say.

But Mr Robertson is too big a figure in American politics to be ignored.

Mr Robertson, who once stood for the Republican presidential nomination, has many friends in high places.

President Bush's former attorney-general teaches at his university and Mr Robertson has an evening television programme with a million viewers.

He told them that he had met and prayed with Ariel Sharon and regarded him as a good friend, but God wanted Israel to be whole and undivided.

"You read the Bible: This is my land, and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he's going to carve it up and give it away, God says no, this is mine," he said.

The White House evidently felt that a formal mark of its displeasure was in order.

The president's spokesman, Trent Duffy, said Mr Robertson's views were "wholly inappropriate and offensive" and did not really have any place in this, or any other, debate.

Not for the first time in recent months, elements on the Republican Party's religious wing are causing it embarrassment.

stevo · 01-09-2006, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ubertuber

I'm pretty sure smote is the past tense of smite. Back to your discussion...

then whats the past participle?

ubertuber · 01-09-2006, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by stevo

then whats the past participle?

Wow - didn't realize that you were serious. Sorry 'bout that. Turns out your jest was partially correct... From the dictionary:

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Originally Posted by dictionary.com

smite - v. smote, (smt) smit·ten, (smtn) or smote smit·ing, smites
v. tr.

To inflict a heavy blow on, with or as if with the hand, a tool, or a weapon.
To drive or strike (a weapon, for example) forcefully onto or into something else.
To attack, damage, or destroy by or as if by blows.

To afflict: The population was smitten by the plague.
To afflict retributively; chasten or chastise.
To affect sharply with great feeling: He was smitten by deep remorse.

v. intr.
To deal a blow with or as if with the hand or a hand-held weapon.

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[Middle English smiten, from Old English smtan, to smear.]
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smiter n.

So, smitten is perfectly correct. Personally, I find smiter to be the most entertaining word there - it just sounds silly. That said, the alternate meaning of smitten:

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Originally Posted by dictionary.com

smitten

adj 1: (used in combination) affected by something overwhelming; "conscience-smitten"; "awe-struck" [syn: stricken, struck] 2: marked by foolish or unreasoning fondness; "she was crazy about him"; "gaga over the rock group's new album"; "he was infatuated with her" [syn: crazy, dotty, gaga, enamored, infatuated, in love, soft on(p), taken with(p)]

explains why you see smote more often than smitten - less chance for confusion (not that the two are easily confused). I think people just instinctively shy away from using smitten in the smiting way.
Now that we've cleared that up, we can go back to disussing Pat Robertson.

dksuddeth · 01-11-2006, 02:25 PM

I find this so ironically hilarious and extremely satisfying.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...980422,00.html

Robertson tries to save Jesusland after Sharon gibe

Pat Robertson, the American televangelist, today appeared to withdraw a diatribe against Ariel Sharon in an attempt to salvage his $50 million plan for a biblical theme park in Galilee.

Ministers in Jerusalem were furious after the millionaire preacher suggested that the Israeli Prime Minister suffered a stroke in divine retribution for carving up the Holy Land in withdrawing from Gaza.

The future of the project, nicknamed Jesusland and criticised by some for commercialism in an area of undeveloped rolling hills, is now hanging in the balance.

Mr Robertson released a statement saying that he was merely pointing out the Old Testament perspective on the division of Israel.

Avi Hartuv, a spokesman for Israel’s tourism minister, said: "We can’t accept this kind of statement. We will not do business with him."

Mr Robertson is leading a consortium of evangelicals who have pledged to raise $50 million (£28 million) to build the Christian Heritage Centre in northern Galilee.

The religious group was to put up the funding, while Israel would lease the land at no cost. The attraction was expected to draw one million pilgrims annually and bring in $1.5 million (£850 million).

The theme park was to be built in 35 acres around key Christian sites such as the Mount of the Beatitudes where Jesus delivered the Sermon on the Mount, and Capernaum which was described as the town of Jesus in the Bible.

There were plans for food outlets at Tabgha on the shore of the Sea of Galilee, the scene of the feeding of the 5,000.

However, the potentially lucrative agreement has been thrown into doubt following comments made by Mr Robertson on his 700 Club programme a day after Mr Sharon suffered a severe stroke.

"God considers this land to be his," Robertson said. "You read the Bible and he says ’This is my land,’ and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, ’No, this is mine."’

Mr Hartuv left the door open to continuing the project but only with evangelists who disown Mr Robertson’s statements.

"The contract is still open - just not with Mr Robertson. If there are other Christian leaders, they are most welcome to sign a contract to bring Christian tourists to the State of Israel.

"We want to see who in the group supports his (Robertson’s) statements. Those who support the statements cannot do business with us. Those that publicly support Ariel Sharon’s recovery are welcome to do business with us. We have to check this very, very carefully."

martinguerre · 01-11-2006, 03:14 PM

"The attraction was expected to draw one million pilgrims annually and bring in $1.5 million (£850 million)."

Well, it is known that a man cannot serve God and Mammon, for he will love one master and loathe the other.

This might be a clue to who's calling the shots for Pat.

Paq · 01-11-2006, 05:41 PM

I think that's a typo,
1 million pilgrims bringing in only abuot $1.50 each...

i think that's supposed to be 1.5 Billion dollars, esp since it's 850 pounds.

Elphaba · 01-11-2006, 05:50 PM

"Jesusland" to attract Christian tourists? I can't tell you how wrong that sounds to me.

Paq · 01-11-2006, 06:09 PM

it's the vacation destination of right wing zealots everywhere..

bc everyone wants to vacation in a conflicted area in the middle east..

Xazy · 01-11-2006, 06:35 PM

Well new news on this

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Israel Suspends Contact With Pat Robertson
JERUSALEM -Israel has suspended contact with evangelist Pat Robertson for suggesting Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine punishment for withdrawing from the Gaza Strip.

The decision, announced Wednesday by Israeli officials, does not affect other Christian groups that also consider it their spiritual duty to support Israel as fulfillment of biblical prophecy.

Israeli leaders see the Christian allies as tireless lobbyists in Washington and elsewhere. The evangelicals also funnel millions of dollars each year to Jewish settlers in the
West Bank and — before last year's pullout — the Gaza Strip.

Tourism Minister Abraham Hirchson said he gave instructions to "stop all contact" with groups associated with Robertson. Last week, Robertson implied Sharon's massive stroke was a blow for "dividing God's land" with the withdrawal from Gaza and four West Bank settlements.

But Hirchson said the order did not apply to "all the evangelical community, God forbid."

Robertson is leading a group of evangelicals who have pledged to raise $50 million to build the Christian Heritage Center in Israel's northern Galilee region, where tradition says Jesus lived and taught.

Under a tentative agreement, Robertson's group was to put up the funding, while Israel would provide land and infrastructure. Hirchson had predicted it would draw up to 1 million pilgrims a year, generate $1.5 billion in spending and support about 40,000 jobs.

But the fate of the project is now in question, said Ido Hartuv, spokesman for the tourism ministry.

"We will not do business with him, only with other evangelicals who don't back these comments," Hartuv said. "We will do business with other evangelical leaders, friends of Israel, but not with him."

A spokeswoman for Robertson's ministry declined to comment on Israel's decision.

"We have not talked to the Israelis on this topic," said spokeswoman Angell Watts. "We continue to maintain our long-standing commitment to the Jewish people and the state of Israel."

Robertson's comments on Sharon drew condemnation from other Christian leaders and
President Bush.

"God considers this land to be his," Robertson said on his TV program "The 700 Club." "You read the Bible and he says 'This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, 'No, this is mine.'"

The "Christian Zionist" movement began to take shape in the 19th century, but in recent decades it strengthened into a powerful force with deep pockets. Some estimates place the annual figure of evangelical aid to Israel at more than $25 million. The Gaza withdrawal has become a new and potent rallying point.

In October, a group of Gaza settlers received a standing ovation from more than 5,000 Christians at a conference in Jerusalem sponsored by the International Christian Embassy, a private agency that promotes Christian ties to Israel.

Robertson's Christian Heritage Center is planned for 35 acres of rolling Galilee hills near key Christian sites, including Capernaum, the Mount of the Beatitudes, where Jesus delivered the Sermon on the Mount, and Tabgha — on the shores of the Sea of Galilee — where Christians believe Jesus performed the miracle of the loaves and fish.

Israel was considering leasing the land to the Christians for free.

Hartuv left the door open for continuing the project, but only with people who don't back Robertson's statements.

"We want to see who in the group supports his (Robertson's) statements. Those who support the statements cannot do business with us. Those that publicly support Ariel Sharon's recovery ... are welcome to do business with us," Hartuv said.

Charlatan · 01-12-2006, 06:40 AM

Now they are hitting Robertson where he hurts.

How long before Robertson call's for an invasion of Israel or the assination of its leaders? He did the same to Venezuela, why not Israel?

roachboy · 01-12-2006, 07:14 AM

jesusland?
i like to think of this park as being designed so that, if seen from above, the rides and links between them trace a picture of jesus's head (you know, the white boy with long hair and a beard like mine)...that way i can think of the funhouse as a journey into the inner jesusear and the rollercoaster as a voyage through the jesus-sinuses and a tilt-a-whirl as being a jesus-eye and the hall of mirrors as a jesus retina-----the waterslide as a jesus-salivary gland.

it'd be great.

it'd become a kind of pilgramage site for the halluciongenic set---and what could be better than being midway through a trip, stopping for a second atop the center hill on the sinus-coaster and looking toward the enormous food court that, following the mapping of jesus's head onto the layout of the park, would have to be jesus's brain?

nothing.
nothing could be better than that.
i would go in a minute.

i was imagining the music that would be played there for a moment and now need to go do something else because....well.....try it yourself and you'll understand.....

Paq · 01-12-2006, 11:29 AM

instead of, "It's a small world after all", you could go on a ride with little children singing, "Jesus loves me yes he does"
seriously, though...could you imagine the big bulls eye that would be on this place to extremists...

Elphaba · 01-12-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by roachboy

jesusland?
i like to think of this park as being designed so that, if seen from above, the rides and links between them trace a picture of jesus's head (you know, the white boy with long hair and a beard like mine)...that way i can think of the funhouse as a journey into the inner jesusear and the rollercoaster as a voyage through the jesus-sinuses and a tilt-a-whirl as being a jesus-eye and the hall of mirrors as a jesus retina-----the waterslide as a jesus-salivary gland.

it'd be great.

it'd become a kind of pilgramage site for the halluciongenic set---and what could be better than being midway through a trip, stopping for a second atop the center hill on the sinus-coaster and looking toward the enormous food court that, following the mapping of jesus's head onto the layout of the park, would have to be jesus's brain?

nothing.
nothing could be better than that.
i would go in a minute.

i was imagining the music that would be played there for a moment and now need to go do something else because....well.....try it yourself and you'll understand.....

roachboy, I think that is the funniest thing I have ever seen on TFP.

How about "Onward Christian Soldiers" on a water ride through the colon?

Hardknock · 01-12-2006, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lebell

Oh.

Is he still around?

And does any idiotic thing that spews forth from his mouth still make news?

Yes, and apparently, at least half of the country still takes his word as the gospel.

That's scary.

Xazy · 01-13-2006, 04:41 AM

Wow, well you punish the guy and he does a 180. So much for his religeous belief.

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The article with the 180
Robertson Asks Forgiveness From Sharon's Family, Israel
Julie Stahl
Jerusalem Bureau Chief

Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - U.S. television evangelist Pat Robertson apologized to the family of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and to the people of Israel Thursday for remarks he made on television. Robertson linked Sharon's stroke to Biblical judgment for this summer's disengagement from the Gaza Strip and four West Bank settlements.

Sharon, who was stricken by a massive stroke and brain hemorrhage last week, is lying in a coma in a Jerusalem hospital. Doctors described his condition as "critical but stable" on Thursday, but they say they have seen some improvement in his condition during the last few days. Nevertheless, the extent of the damage to Sharon's brain is still unclear.

The day after Sharon fell ill, Robertson, who is the chairman of the board and Chief Executive Officer of the Christian Broadcasting Network said on his television show "The 700 Club" that God considered the Land of Israel to be his and no one had better "carve it up and give it away."

Making reference to the Biblical prophet Joel, Robertson added, "Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the EU, the United Nations or the United States of America. God says, 'this Land belongs to me. You better leave it alone.'"

Robertson's comments generated a whirlwind of reaction in the U.S. and in Israel, culminating in the cancellation of Robertson's participation in a huge joint Christian-Israeli project by the Israeli Tourism Minister Avraham Hirchson earlier this week.

But in a letter addressed to Sharon's son Omri and faxed to the Prime Minister's office on Thursday, Robertson extended his sympathy to the family, said he was praying for Sharon's full recovery and asked for forgiveness from the family and people of Israel.

"I expressed on television my sadness at his condition and my warm regard for him as a person. He was my host for a luncheon in Jerusalem some years ago. I had the privilege of meeting with him in his office and praying with him about a year ago," Robertson wrote in the two-page letter.

"More recently, I was a member of a delegation that met with him at the Israeli Embassy when he was last in the United States. To me, he is a kind, gracious, and gentle man. He was carrying an almost insurmountable burden of making decisions for his nation," Robertson added.

"Regrettably, few, if any, of these heartfelt sentiments were carried by the news media in America or by the news media in Israel. However, I ask your forgiveness and the forgiveness of the people of Israel for remarks I made at the time concerning the writing of the holy prophet Joel and his view of the inviolate nature of the land of Israel," Robertson said.

Robertson, like other Evangelical Christians worldwide believes that God gave the entire Land of Israel (including the Gaza Strip and Biblical Judea and Samaria, known as the West Bank) to the Jewish people as an eternal inheritance. As such, they also opposed Israel's unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.

Robertson said personally he felt "very passionate" about the safety of Israel and the "divine claim" of the Jewish people on the land.

Robertson's zeal and concern led him to make the comments, which in retrospect, he said, he now saw as "inappropriate and insensitive in light of a national grief" experienced because of Sharon's stroke. He again asked for forgiveness.

Robertson said that he had been one of Israel's strongest supporters worldwide for more than 30 years. "I have stood with the cause of Israel against all of the threats of the nation's enemies," he said.

"Right now, I see looming in the distance grave threats against the nation of Israel, not only from militants in Hamas and Hezbollah and the nuclear ambitions of the leaders of the nation of Iran, but also the virulent anti-Semitism which is so frequently expressed throughout the Muslim world, Europe, and the United Nations," said Robertson.

"I pray for the future security of your country and, when I speak, it is always as a friend," he said.

Robertson's remarks shocked Israelis, particularly because he is considered to be a strong supporter and close friend of Israel as well as a friend of Sharon himself.

Rami Levi, deputy director general of the Tourism Ministry, said that Hirchson had been "outraged" by Robertson's remarks especially because they came as Sharon was fighting for his life.

In response, Hirchson said that he had decided to cancel the signing of an agreement to work with Robertson on a $50-million plus joint Israeli-Christian project to build a huge Christian center in the Galilee in northern Israel.

Levi said the project would go ahead even without Robertson and that there were many other Christian leaders involved. Interviewed before the apology was delivered, Levi said he did not know if that would affect Hirchson's decision to exclude Robertson or not.

See Earlier Story:
Robertson's Remarks on Israeli Leader Leave ADL Livid (Jan. 5, 2006)

I am sure that there are other articles, but this was the first I found on it, and I got to leave for work. But either way, it just shows how a little smacking around works. But just because someone says I am sorry, that does not remove the initial reaction. So I hope they forgive him, and leave the punishment in. I guesss the forgiveness would be for his immortal soul!

pan6467 · 01-13-2006, 07:35 AM

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I expressed on television my sadness at his condition and my warm regard for him as a person. He was my host for a luncheon in Jerusalem some years ago. I had the privilege of meeting with him in his office and praying with him about a year ago," Robertson wrote in the two-page letter.

"More recently, I was a member of a delegation that met with him at the Israeli Embassy when he was last in the United States. To me, he is a kind, gracious, and gentle man. He was carrying an almost insurmountable burden of making decisions for his nation," Robertson added.

"Regrettably, few, if any, of these heartfelt sentiments were carried by the news media in America or by the news media in Israel. However, I ask your forgiveness and the forgiveness of the people of Israel for remarks I made at the time concerning the writing of the holy prophet Joel and his view of the inviolate nature of the land of Israel," Robertson said.

Got to love Robertson even his appology he goes and blames everyone else but himself.

Boohooo Pat you say something beyond contempt and the press picks it up, but you expected instead that they showed how much "love" you had for the man.

Boohooo Pat you say something very vile and foul, but then blame the Prophet Joel, because you would never believe that, but you felt this urge to say vile things and use Joel as an excuse instead of send heartfelt warmth and good wishes out.

Gee, Pat who put the words in your mouth? Who made you say those vile things Pat? Aren't you a grown man and supposedly this great wise sage, who is supposed to pass on Jesus' teachings of love, peace and salvation....... not spew hatred, self righteousness and pretend to know what God's motives are?

Fuckin hypocritical, spoiled little man, who is run by power and greed. You're a perfectly great example for what Christ taught against people being.

rlbond86 · 01-13-2006, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by matthew330

"And does any idiotic thing that spews forth from his mouth still make news?"

Of course it will. Because it's perfect ammunition for the liberal media to demonize the republican party and christianity.

I assume that's the same liberal media that kept Bush's spying program a secret from the public?

The New York Times knew about the domestic spying program in 2004. Why didn't they tell anyone for a year then? If they were truly liberal, they would have reported it.

I have never seen any reports on the news of how the thousands of "troops" we have trained in Iraq are all in militias, fighting for their own tribes and not for their country.

A story of how the Sunnis are calling for another election in Iraq appeared on the FIFTH page of my newspaper. Don't you think a CIVIL WAR in Iraq would be big ammo for the "liberal media"?

All the media does now is "he said, she said" reporting. They'll say on CNN that the president says there are 60,000 troops. They never say something like "we checked and saw that they were in the militia."

What about the secret Energy Task Force agreements? That stayed on long. I saw one story on it!

I see absolutely no liberal media. I see people like Rush Limbaugh saying that the media is liberal, and then spreading his own lies. The media is not liberal, but it tends to be against those in power. That is the nature of the business!

I see no reference to the Republican party in the article. It says the President supports Sharon! How can you possibly think this story is demonizing the Republican party!

01-11-2006, 02:25 PM	#53 (permalink)
dksuddeth Junkie Location: bedford, tx	I find this so ironically hilarious and extremely satisfying. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...980422,00.html Robertson tries to save Jesusland after Sharon gibe Pat Robertson, the American televangelist, today appeared to withdraw a diatribe against Ariel Sharon in an attempt to salvage his $50 million plan for a biblical theme park in Galilee. Ministers in Jerusalem were furious after the millionaire preacher suggested that the Israeli Prime Minister suffered a stroke in divine retribution for carving up the Holy Land in withdrawing from Gaza. The future of the project, nicknamed Jesusland and criticised by some for commercialism in an area of undeveloped rolling hills, is now hanging in the balance. Mr Robertson released a statement saying that he was merely pointing out the Old Testament perspective on the division of Israel. Avi Hartuv, a spokesman for Israel’s tourism minister, said: "We can’t accept this kind of statement. We will not do business with him." Mr Robertson is leading a consortium of evangelicals who have pledged to raise $50 million (£28 million) to build the Christian Heritage Centre in northern Galilee. The religious group was to put up the funding, while Israel would lease the land at no cost. The attraction was expected to draw one million pilgrims annually and bring in $1.5 million (£850 million). The theme park was to be built in 35 acres around key Christian sites such as the Mount of the Beatitudes where Jesus delivered the Sermon on the Mount, and Capernaum which was described as the town of Jesus in the Bible. There were plans for food outlets at Tabgha on the shore of the Sea of Galilee, the scene of the feeding of the 5,000. However, the potentially lucrative agreement has been thrown into doubt following comments made by Mr Robertson on his 700 Club programme a day after Mr Sharon suffered a severe stroke. "God considers this land to be his," Robertson said. "You read the Bible and he says ’This is my land,’ and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, ’No, this is mine."’ Mr Hartuv left the door open to continuing the project but only with evangelists who disown Mr Robertson’s statements. "The contract is still open - just not with Mr Robertson. If there are other Christian leaders, they are most welcome to sign a contract to bring Christian tourists to the State of Israel. "We want to see who in the group supports his (Robertson’s) statements. Those who support the statements cannot do business with us. Those that publicly support Ariel Sharon’s recovery are welcome to do business with us. We have to check this very, very carefully." __________________ "no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."

01-11-2006, 03:14 PM	#54 (permalink)
martinguerre whosoever Location: New England	"The attraction was expected to draw one million pilgrims annually and bring in $1.5 million (£850 million)." Well, it is known that a man cannot serve God and Mammon, for he will love one master and loathe the other. This might be a clue to who's calling the shots for Pat. __________________ For God so loved creation, that God sent God's only Son that whosoever believed should not perish, but have everlasting life. -John 3:16

01-11-2006, 05:41 PM	#55 (permalink)
Paq Junkie Location: South Carolina	I think that's a typo, 1 million pilgrims bringing in only abuot $1.50 each... i think that's supposed to be 1.5 Billion dollars, esp since it's 850 pounds. __________________ Live. Chris

01-11-2006, 06:09 PM	#57 (permalink)
Paq Junkie Location: South Carolina	it's the vacation destination of right wing zealots everywhere.. bc everyone wants to vacation in a conflicted area in the middle east.. __________________ Live. Chris

01-12-2006, 06:40 AM	#59 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Now they are hitting Robertson where he hurts. How long before Robertson call's for an invasion of Israel or the assination of its leaders? He did the same to Venezuela, why not Israel? __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

01-06-2006, 12:39 PM	#47 (permalink)
Guinevere Upright Location: in a lovely place	He's a dangerous man. He spews ancient poison and those of weaker minds and spirit are his target. Those with greater ambition use him for whatever acclaim. TV+Ancient Poison=Perpetual Chaos.

01-06-2006, 01:38 PM	#48 (permalink)
Locobot is awesome!	This wouldn't be news if Republicans didn't get their marching orders from wackjobs like Robertson and Limbaugh. Here he is telling us Ariel Sharon (of all people) has fallen out of favor with god because of his peace agreements with Palestine. It will be a good day when Robertson falls ill, not a terrible thing at all. Sharon is kind of interesting in that he was elected as an extremist, but became more moderate as time went on. Robertson is trying to make sure sure the next leader of Israel is a purebred ideologue without these tendancies toward peace. It's sad that Robertson's able to represent himself as Christian.

01-11-2006, 05:50 PM	#56 (permalink)
Elphaba Deja Moo Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA	"Jesusland" to attract Christian tourists? I can't tell you how wrong that sounds to me.

01-12-2006, 07:14 AM	#60 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	jesusland? i like to think of this park as being designed so that, if seen from above, the rides and links between them trace a picture of jesus's head (you know, the white boy with long hair and a beard like mine)...that way i can think of the funhouse as a journey into the inner jesusear and the rollercoaster as a voyage through the jesus-sinuses and a tilt-a-whirl as being a jesus-eye and the hall of mirrors as a jesus retina-----the waterslide as a jesus-salivary gland. it'd be great. it'd become a kind of pilgramage site for the halluciongenic set---and what could be better than being midway through a trip, stopping for a second atop the center hill on the sinus-coaster and looking toward the enormous food court that, following the mapping of jesus's head onto the layout of the park, would have to be jesus's brain? nothing. nothing could be better than that. i would go in a minute. i was imagining the music that would be played there for a moment and now need to go do something else because....well.....try it yourself and you'll understand..... __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 01-12-2006 at 07:17 AM..

01-12-2006, 11:29 AM	#61 (permalink)
Paq Junkie Location: South Carolina	instead of, "It's a small world after all", you could go on a ride with little children singing, "Jesus loves me yes he does" seriously, though...could you imagine the big bulls eye that would be on this place to extremists... __________________ Live. Chris