07-17-2005, 09:51 PM | #41 (permalink) | |
Lennonite Priest
Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA
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I find people riding my ass as I do the speed limit on the Interstate life threatening I have to slam my brakes they plow into me. And the cops we pass don't seem to share my beleif as they allow these drivers to do that. I find it offensive anyone would support the government dictating to and taxing us on, what we can put into our bodies. While they allow companies to pollute our air, water, and load our produce and meats with known carcinogens. While they allow pharmaceuticals to push through drugs that do far more harm than good. While they allow gun advocates to conceal and carry, to buy semi autmatics, to buy just about anything..... because if they didn't allow that would infringe on those people's Constitutional rights. WTF about my rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Where are my rights to enjoy my life the way I deem fit. I pay my taxes, I pay my insurance prememiums and I pay my bills. So why the fuck can I not consume any legal product I choose to? How can anyone who fights for rights believe this attitude of "protecting the people from themselves" is ok? I have news for all you....... FROM THE DAY WE ARE CONCIEVED WE HAVE AN INCURABLE DISEASE CALLED AGING AND DEATH. Some of us may die before we are born, others may live to 90 BUT we are all going to fucking DIE, people. We are all going to get sick and go to a doctor a few times in our lives. And yes, we are all going to die of something. Government dictating what we can or cannot consume, or taxing things so that we cannot afford them will not protect us from the end result...... DEATH. I am more scared of what government allows our food companies to put on our produce or in our meats or allows companies to dump in our ground water supplies or into our Earth than I am about what I knowingly put into my body, for enjoyment. I may get run over tomorrow, my apt. may catch on fire because of faulty wiring, a terrorist or nut job may come into work and decide that we addiction counselors destroyed their lives and kill us........ Government cannot feasibly not be expected to protect every scenario of my death. Yet by their incessent taxings, telling me where when and how much I may consume, making my consumption a pariah in society, is them trying to control certain scenarios.
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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" |
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07-18-2005, 03:57 PM | #43 (permalink) | |
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A general comment on second hand smoke: People bitch and moan about how smokers are killing them. Cigarette smoke is not significantly different from vehicle exhaust, campfire smoke, and emissions from your grill. Why aren't we suing the makers of parking garages also? How about suing car manufacturers? |
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07-18-2005, 04:48 PM | #44 (permalink) | ||||||||||||
Lennonite Priest
Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA
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I start by saying some of your arguments I just find silly and you wanting to make a point just to argue. (I admit I am guilty of this also.)
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Good luck prosecuting the suicide..... but it is still very much illegal. I think the contrary, I think where there were never even lawsuits considered this opens the door to massive lawsuits against the soda companies. People can now say the soda manufacturers knew the health problems and refused to give warning. One problem with the US is that people don't take personal responsibility for their actions. I am a heavy soda drinker, I know the risks and I know what it has done to me, however, I am in relative good health and what issues I have are not those of the soda but my choices. Labels = automatic liability and therefore lawsuits. Quote:
So let's tax soda fast food and whatever to where the people can barely afford it, then watch as more industries in the US go bankrupt because we have to regulate and tax the Hell out of things that the government deems unhealthy. Quote:
Huge difference between me talking to them and trying to stop them than there is government dictating. Quote:
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And it is more about making tax revenue than for any other reason. And if you don't think soda companies have special interest groups already looking out for them..... then I guess you miss all those soda machines in school lunch rooms (which no, I do not agree with, but the parents of those students should make the call and get the school boards to remove them, not have government step in), in government buildings and so on. The government didn't just put those there freely and say let's serve the people. It's all about how much government control YOU want in your life. I don't want that much. I want a federal government that does their best to make sure: the air, water and food I eat is clean: that education is at a level unsurpassed: that I feel reasonably safe that noone will invade: that the roads are driveable: that I can enjoy spending my paycheck how I wish: that helps those who need it, and makes sure that retirees can afford to live and enjoy life: that punishes those that rip off or do other people harm in situations like Enron, Tyco, Adelphia, organized crime: a healthcare system on a sliding scale (based on income) that will not bankrupt the nation and provide every person without prejudice the best healthcare possible: that ensures and protects those rights guaranteed me in the Constitution: and that does their best to make sure the people have more say over government than the companies. Everything else is regulated to the states and localities.
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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" Last edited by pan6467; 07-18-2005 at 04:57 PM.. |
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07-18-2005, 11:34 PM | #45 (permalink) |
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Wow the level of hyperbole and sarcasm in this thread has long ago passed the point allowing for any kind of meaningful dialogue.
Sporting goods along with almost everything else are taxed in my state upon purchase. The difference between sporting goods and cigarettes, it's kind of sad I actually need to tell you this, is that sporting goods are not produced with known flaws which the companies have tried to hide from consumers for the past 100 years. If a company did produce faulty sporting goods that resulted directly in the injury of those who use them then there would be a recall and or resulting lawsuit. Until the 1990s Tobacco companies denied that their products caused harm and were successful in being impervious to lawsuits. For your sporting good analogy to work there would have to be a company hypothetically that produced boxing gloves that came with a warning stating: "there is no known relation between repeated blunt head trauma and brain damage." If you actually look at the warnings, that come with almost every piece of sporting gear, I think you'll find them to be a little more honest. |
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