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Seaver · 01-26-2005, 02:53 PM

US Military bases are welcomed at the time of the treaty signing. It would be "colonialism" if we just showed up and said "I claim this land for Spain". Look if I sign a rent contract and decide later on that I dont want it, they can still hold me to it. It works the same internationally. As long as the contract states, and as long as both sides stay within the bounds the treaty is valid.

Hardknock · 01-26-2005, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei

You really have a grasp on what's going on over there, eh?

This glorious resistance you speak of, you realize it is merely focused in 3, count them 3, of 18, Iraqi provinces. The 3 provinces just happen to be the sunni triangle, where the ex-baathists and Saddam loyalists are all from. The triangle where the majority of the insurrection and problems regarding this transitional election, compromises the smallest minority of Iraqis at 15% (+/-) of the total population. Then you have the fact that the number of the "insurgents" is 200,000, not even 1% of the total Iraqi population, and they aren't even all Iraqi!

You have fucks like Zarqawi carrying out the majority of the attacks against American troops and Iraqi citizens because guess what, Al Qaeda doesn't want a democratic Iraq, it's a tool of the harlot zionists and crusaders.

And tell me again why we can't we get control of the insurgents if they only occupy a measly 3 out of 18 provinces?

Mojo_PeiPei · 01-26-2005, 03:23 PM

It's kinda tough when they blend into the populace, you know guerilla warfare? Or when tactics such as terrorism are employed.

smicer · 01-26-2005, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardknock

And tell me again why we can't we get control of the insurgents if they only occupy a measly 3 out of 18 provinces?

Did you know that there are places in America that police are afraid to go because gangsters rule the streets.

Something for you to think about.

Hardknock · 01-27-2005, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by smicer

Did you know that there are places in America that police are afraid to go because gangsters rule the streets.

Something for you to think about.

And? I don't see the relevance. The cops here in America don't have a foreign military force trying to show them how to take down the gangsters. Also most of the time, the local cops have just said fuck it and let the neighborhood go to total shit anyway. The residents don't want to police themselves.

Sound familiar?

drakers · 01-27-2005, 08:46 AM

I don't think the Sunnis will be accurately presented in the elections because they don't believe in these elections because of us or U.S. Anyways the voter turn-out may be so low that it might not be even considered a legitimate election. But I guess we'll see how it turns out.

Zeld2.0 · 01-27-2005, 10:55 PM

Its more likely if one side gets too much power then bigger conflict will occur

You all do realize that Shia and Sunni differences have occured since oh about 700AD? Think of it as the old conflict between Protestants and Roman Catholics or even Roman Catholics and the Orthodox... just that it happens these two sides live next to each other. One could say Iraq vs. Iran happened in the 80's between the two sides largely because of ideology, one being Sunni the other being Shia.

Mojo_PeiPei · 01-28-2005, 12:29 PM

Saddam feared a Shiite revolt like what had just happened in Iran. He took the head Shiite cleric of Iraq prisoner, tortured him by setting his beard on fire, pounding nails into his head, and then executing him. He then invaded, it wasn't an ethnic conflict in any major sense, Saddam has always been a paranoid nut job, this is a prime example.

Cimarron29414 · 01-28-2005, 12:43 PM

I popped in here and after 3 minutes of reading, I realize why I never come in here. It is a polite version of Fark. Carry on, guys! I am clearly in the wrong place. Back to Tilted Sexuality!

charlesesl · 01-30-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Seaver

US Military bases are welcomed at the time of the treaty signing. It would be "colonialism" if we just showed up and said "I claim this land for Spain". Look if I sign a rent contract and decide later on that I dont want it, they can still hold me to it. It works the same internationally. As long as the contract states, and as long as both sides stay within the bounds the treaty is valid.

Signed with whom? The puppet governer?

Paradise Lost · 01-30-2005, 05:11 PM

While the turnout is somewhat low, the consensus seems to be that the elections went
as well as anyone could hope for, and for the Sunni voters, it seems things went fairly
well for them, too. Nothing much can really be said until some kind of analysis can be
done on the actual votes and voters -- sometime after this whole thing is over, to see if
was as eventful as everyone could have hoped for. Also, the most important thing, is
that most of the Iraqis who voted today, were sincerely enthusiastic about the thought
of a free election. Also, the fact that was little violence, justs adds more support to
their want of the election.

Lebell · 01-30-2005, 06:07 PM

Turn out low??

It looks like 60% plus voted.

That's a landslide success!

It certainly was low if you were a Sunni and you decided to stay home or if you just want the election to fail because of your own political interest (not your as in you, but in general).

DDDDave · 01-30-2005, 06:23 PM

I was watching C-SPAN today and they had great coverage. Lots of Iraqi guests and callers. They were all so excited. They were crying to have been able to decide their countries future.

Truly a great day for Iraq.

An interesting quote from one of the moderators was that 'Now the insurgents are not fighting the occupiers, they are fighting against democracy.'

I was moved to tears. It was amazing to watch people experience democracy for the first time. However it turns out, today was an amazing first step.

Yakk · 01-31-2005, 07:34 AM

Congradulations, Iraq.

drakers · 01-31-2005, 07:47 AM

Well I guess it turn out better than I thought except for the more than 30 killed in senseless attacks from the insurgents. I hope they realize they are killing their own people.

Locke7 · 01-31-2005, 01:08 PM

Not only that but the insurgents actually used a child with downs syndrome as one of the suicide bombers. I just wonder what makes someone think that strapping a bomb to a handicapped child to go blow up a bunch of innocent people of your own country is OK... It seems absolutely psychotic to me.

powerclown · 01-31-2005, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DDDDave

...Truly a great day for Iraq.

An interesting quote from one of the moderators was that 'Now the insurgents are not fighting the occupiers, they are fighting against democracy.'

I was moved to tears. It was amazing to watch people experience democracy for the first time. However it turns out, today was an amazing first step.

My sentiments exactly. An unforgettable moment.

Then I was brought back to earth after I read what Kerry, Kennedy, et al., had to say about it. They just had to say something negative, in the face of something so overwhelmingly positive. Zero tact, zero class.

Fourtyrulz · 02-01-2005, 10:50 AM

I was surprised too at the elections outcome. Death toll of 44 on election day http://www.freep.com/news/nw/iraq-bar131e_20050131.htm which really surprised me and totally blew away my predictions of tragedy I'm sure some of you had read on other threads. It is a historical day for the Iraqi people...but it would have been regardless of casualities. I'm sure the Bush administration finally let out collective sigh they've been holding in since March 2003, "Even though my war rhetoric was completely fabricated and my own countrie's economy is in shambles...I forced democracy on the same people me and my daddy have been blowing up for a decade."

'Grats Dubya, you got your PR shoot, now if you would listen to history you'd realize that people forced into democracy over night often revert to a dictatorship in the same amount of time.

01-26-2005, 03:23 PM	#43 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	It's kinda tough when they blend into the populace, you know guerilla warfare? Or when tactics such as terrorism are employed. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

01-28-2005, 12:29 PM	#48 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Saddam feared a Shiite revolt like what had just happened in Iran. He took the head Shiite cleric of Iraq prisoner, tortured him by setting his beard on fire, pounding nails into his head, and then executing him. He then invaded, it wasn't an ethnic conflict in any major sense, Saddam has always been a paranoid nut job, this is a prime example. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

01-28-2005, 12:43 PM	#49 (permalink)
Cimarron29414 Still Free Location: comfortably perched at the top of the bell curve!	I popped in here and after 3 minutes of reading, I realize why I never come in here. It is a polite version of Fark. Carry on, guys! I am clearly in the wrong place. Back to Tilted Sexuality! __________________ Gives a man a halo, does mead. "Here lies The_Jazz: Killed by an ambitious, sparkly, pink butterfly."

01-30-2005, 05:11 PM	#51 (permalink)
Paradise Lost "Afternoon everybody." "NORM!" Location: Poland, Ohio // Clarion University of PA.	While the turnout is somewhat low, the consensus seems to be that the elections went as well as anyone could hope for, and for the Sunni voters, it seems things went fairly well for them, too. Nothing much can really be said until some kind of analysis can be done on the actual votes and voters -- sometime after this whole thing is over, to see if was as eventful as everyone could have hoped for. Also, the most important thing, is that most of the Iraqis who voted today, were sincerely enthusiastic about the thought of a free election. Also, the fact that was little violence, justs adds more support to their want of the election. __________________ "Marino could do it."

01-30-2005, 06:07 PM	#52 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	Turn out low?? It looks like 60% plus voted. That's a landslide success! It certainly was low if you were a Sunni and you decided to stay home or if you just want the election to fail because of your own political interest (not your as in you, but in general). __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

01-26-2005, 02:53 PM	#41 (permalink)
Seaver Junkie Location: Fort Worth, TX	US Military bases are welcomed at the time of the treaty signing. It would be "colonialism" if we just showed up and said "I claim this land for Spain". Look if I sign a rent contract and decide later on that I dont want it, they can still hold me to it. It works the same internationally. As long as the contract states, and as long as both sides stay within the bounds the treaty is valid.

01-27-2005, 08:46 AM	#46 (permalink)
drakers Psycho Location: IOWA	I don't think the Sunnis will be accurately presented in the elections because they don't believe in these elections because of us or U.S. Anyways the voter turn-out may be so low that it might not be even considered a legitimate election. But I guess we'll see how it turns out.

01-27-2005, 10:55 PM	#47 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	Its more likely if one side gets too much power then bigger conflict will occur You all do realize that Shia and Sunni differences have occured since oh about 700AD? Think of it as the old conflict between Protestants and Roman Catholics or even Roman Catholics and the Orthodox... just that it happens these two sides live next to each other. One could say Iraq vs. Iran happened in the 80's between the two sides largely because of ideology, one being Sunni the other being Shia.

01-30-2005, 06:23 PM	#53 (permalink)
DDDDave Addict Location: Sarasota	I was watching C-SPAN today and they had great coverage. Lots of Iraqi guests and callers. They were all so excited. They were crying to have been able to decide their countries future. Truly a great day for Iraq. An interesting quote from one of the moderators was that 'Now the insurgents are not fighting the occupiers, they are fighting against democracy.' I was moved to tears. It was amazing to watch people experience democracy for the first time. However it turns out, today was an amazing first step. __________________ I am just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe... "Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you have imagined." - Thoreau "Nothing great was ever accomplished without enthusiasm" - Emerson

01-31-2005, 07:34 AM	#54 (permalink)
Yakk Wehret Den Anfängen! Location: Ontario, Canada	Congradulations, Iraq. __________________ Last edited by JHVH : 10-29-4004 BC at 09:00 PM. Reason: Time for a rest.

01-31-2005, 07:47 AM	#55 (permalink)
drakers Psycho Location: IOWA	Well I guess it turn out better than I thought except for the more than 30 killed in senseless attacks from the insurgents. I hope they realize they are killing their own people.

01-31-2005, 01:08 PM	#56 (permalink)
Locke7 Insane	Not only that but the insurgents actually used a child with downs syndrome as one of the suicide bombers. I just wonder what makes someone think that strapping a bomb to a handicapped child to go blow up a bunch of innocent people of your own country is OK... It seems absolutely psychotic to me.

02-01-2005, 10:50 AM	#58 (permalink)
Fourtyrulz Psycho Location: io-where?	I was surprised too at the elections outcome. Death toll of 44 on election day http://www.freep.com/news/nw/iraq-bar131e_20050131.htm which really surprised me and totally blew away my predictions of tragedy I'm sure some of you had read on other threads. It is a historical day for the Iraqi people...but it would have been regardless of casualities. I'm sure the Bush administration finally let out collective sigh they've been holding in since March 2003, "Even though my war rhetoric was completely fabricated and my own countrie's economy is in shambles...I forced democracy on the same people me and my daddy have been blowing up for a decade." 'Grats Dubya, you got your PR shoot, now if you would listen to history you'd realize that people forced into democracy over night often revert to a dictatorship in the same amount of time. __________________ the·o·ry - a working hypothesis that is considered probable based on experimental evidence or factual or conceptual analysis and is accepted as a basis for experimentation. faith - Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. - Merriam-Webster's dictionary