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Mephisto2 · 01-16-2005, 07:20 PM

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Bush 'targeted with bomb-packed limousines'

US officials working on security for President George W Bush's second presidential inauguration fear terrorists could use limousines packed with propane gas canisters for an attack, Time magazine reported.

Fears of an attack by VBIEDs - vehicle-borne improvised explosive devices - come from a 39-page al-Qaeda document seized in Britain in 2003, according to the magazine.

The document, titled "Rough Presentation for Gas Limo Project," discusses using limousines to deliver bombs equipped with propane gas cylinders.

The document recommends hiding bombs in limos because the long classy vehicles "blend in" and "can transport larger payloads than sedans ... and do not require special driving skills," according to Time, in its editions set to hit newsstands Monday.

Hundreds of limos are expected to jam the Washington streets throughout the week carrying inauguration guests from around the country.

The limos can also "access underground parking structures that do not accommodate trucks" and "have tinted windows that can hide an improvised explosive device from outside".

Even though the Bush inauguration is not mentioned in the document, segments are being passed around among US intelligence officials, according to Time.

The al-Qaeda document calls for the use of three limos, each carrying 12 or more compressed-gas cylinders to create a "full fuel-air explosion by venting flammable gas into a confined space and then igniting it," according to Time.

The cylinders could even be painted yellow to falsely "signify toxic gases to spread terror and chaos when emergency and haz-mat teams arrive," the magazine reported.

AFP

Well, I have three comments on this. The first one is that this is indeed a worrying development. The second is that I believe the title is a bit misleading. Surely it should say "could be targeted"; it currently implies this has already happened.

The third comment is "What the hell? Why do American agencies love stupid acronyms?!!" VBIEDs?!! Everywhere else in the world these are known as car-bombs. Just ask any Israeli, British or Spanish soldier or policeman.

Mr Mephisto

Mojo_PeiPei · 01-16-2005, 07:45 PM

We are lazy, it is easier to abv. words in our paper work.

daswig · 01-16-2005, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto

Everywhere else in the world these are known as car-bombs.

But it's not a car bomb. Limo-bomb, maybe, but not a car bomb.

Let's hope the Secret Service is on top of this. The inauguration is a HUGE target.

Mephisto2 · 01-16-2005, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by daswig

But it's not a car bomb. Limo-bomb, maybe, but not a car bomb.

And limousines are not cars?

Really Daswig, you'd argue with your own shadow! LOL

Mr Mephisto

cyrnel · 01-16-2005, 08:33 PM

These would be differerent. Don't believe I've heard of car bombs using fuel-air before. I don't know the science but if they manage an effective dispersal in the right setting it could be more dangerous than hard explosives, and low cost. No?

Powderedmaggot · 01-16-2005, 08:37 PM

I have a few thoughts on this.

1. Why waste such huge expense on such a little man. A .223 would do the job nicely.
2. Why hasn't someone done anything like this to him yet?
3. Good luck.

Mephisto2 · 01-16-2005, 08:39 PM

A car-bomb is a bomb in a car.

Sheesh... don't get hung up on it. You can call it what you want.

Why not CDALLTMVBECOGPSAFOABIADERETDLGWTWFCCIEDs?

Cars Designed As Large Limousine Type Motor Vehicles But Excluding Common Or General Purpose Sedan And Family Oriented Automobile Bourne Improvised Air Dispersal (Excluding Regular Explosive Type Devices) Liquid Gas (With Tinted Windows For Concealing Contents) Improvised Explosive Devices.

Mr Mephisto

Mojo_PeiPei · 01-16-2005, 08:40 PM

I like it!

Mephisto2 · 01-16-2005, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Powderedmaggot

I have a few thoughts on this.

1. Why waste such huge expense on such a little man. A .223 would do the job nicely.

Yeah, but car-bombs... sorry CDALLTMVBECOGPSAFOABIADERETDLGWTWFCCIEDs, are much more destructive. A "successful" attack at the inauguration would probably do a lot of harm.

I'm not entirely familiar with the specifics, but does the inauguration still take place outside? Surely you could simply restrict vehicle access within 1km of the ceremony? Even better, why not hold it indoors?

Mr Mephisto

Rdr4evr · 01-16-2005, 08:45 PM

lol powderedmaggot, only in our dreams. The Columbians unfortunately had their plans to assassinate Bush foiled several months ago. Too bad really, maybe next time, but then again, Cheney would be in charge, so really, it would be a lose-lose situation.

Mephisto2 · 01-16-2005, 08:50 PM

The Columbians wanted to assassinate Bush?

Add them to the list after Syria, Iran and North Korea.

Actually forget about North Korea. They can fight back...

Mr Mephisto

Willravel · 01-16-2005, 09:14 PM

First thought upon reading title: "What a classy way to go!"

Welcome to the irrational fear competition. We come up with EVERY way someone can kill you, the more exotic the better. My entry?

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"Terrorists Turn to Poke'mon to Kill"

US officials working closely with counter-terrorist specialists made an announcement today about how terrorists can use small cartoon animals with amazing powers to attack Americans.

"We've known that the terrorists have been experimenting with Poke'mon for 4 months now. We are looking into the possibility of an attack", said FBI Special Agent Ash Hole. He has warned people to avoid heavely populated areas, and to contact the authorities if you spot any espically animated children with litte red balls.

The Poke'mon attack last year in Yemen was linked to Morrocans working with the al Qaeda and some ex-Taliban members, in conjunction with North Koreans, Iranians, anti-war hippies, and anyone who isn't Republican. The attack claimed the lives of over a dozen cartoon animals, and caused several thousand dollars worth of damage to trading cards. Several arrests were made, but no evidence was found.

"We've gotta catch 'em all", says agent Hole.

Mojo_PeiPei · 01-16-2005, 09:17 PM

I'm sure people never expected planes to get flown in to buildings as a means of terrorism...

Rdr4evr · 01-16-2005, 09:17 PM

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The Columbians wanted to assassinate Bush?

Add them to the list after Syria, Iran and North Korea.

Actually forget about North Korea. They can fight back...

how true.....yeah, I remember reading it on yahoo news several months ago. I did a quick search and found this link explaining it.

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/tex...2004-62256.asp

Willravel · 01-16-2005, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei

I'm sure people never expected planes to get flown in to buildings as a means of terrorism...

Someone sure did. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...e-drill-_x.htm

cyrnel · 01-16-2005, 09:27 PM

Whoa, wandered into the politics forum. I knew something didn't feel right.

daswig · 01-16-2005, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto

And limousines are not cars?

Really Daswig, you'd argue with your own shadow! LOL

Mr Mephisto

No, limosines are not cars, any more than SUVs, pickup trucks and vans are cars.

Charlatan · 01-17-2005, 07:09 AM

They should just let it happen... It is inevitable that he will be assasinated. He will fall vicitm to the Indian curse of those elected in a 00 year...

His days are numbered.

pan6467 · 01-17-2005, 08:55 AM

ANYONE wanting to assassinate Bush would be out of their minds........ Cheney would be in charge and that alone should change their minds..... if that doesn't then the fact ANY FREEDOMS we have will be gone because Cheney will have Martial Law on us so fast it'll be pathetic.

But with this known I still don't understand why Bush is spending all this money on a party. I think it's foolish. 1 we are at war and 2 it does open up a greater chance for something to happen.

Powderedmaggot · 01-17-2005, 08:55 AM

The problem with a CDALLTMVBECOGPSAFOABIADERETDLGWTWFCCIED as opposed to a .223 is that some innocent people could get killed or damaged. I guess a CDALLTMVBECOGPSAFOABIADERETDLGWTWFCCIEDs would be good if it took out Cheney and many others as well.

Note to self - don't stand close to the pres.

pan6467 · 01-17-2005, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

They should just let it happen... It is inevitable that he will be assasinated. He will fall vicitm to the Indian curse of those elected in a 00 year...

His days are numbered.

The '00 curse? LOL.... you listen to too many wanna be historians.

Lebell · 01-17-2005, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto

And limousines are not cars?

Really Daswig, you'd argue with your own shadow! LOL

Mr Mephisto

I've noted with amusement that that is true with most of us in "Politics", myself included.

Perhaps that is why we are drawn to this forum like moths to the flame...]

Rekna · 01-17-2005, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Lebell

I've noted with amusement that that is true with most of us in "Politics", myself included.

Perhaps that is why we are drawn to this forum like moths to the flame...]

What are you talking about we don't ever argue about anything that doesn't matter!

host · 01-17-2005, 11:48 AM

As usual, the "threat" seems designed more to reinforce this administration's
controlling message of fear, than it is to alert responsible security agencies.

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<a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1018032,00.html">http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1018032,00.html</a>
Sunday, Jan. 16, 2005
As Washington gears up for the first Inaugural of the post-9/11 era, one potential security threat has emerged as a particular focus of concern: vehicle-borne improvised explosive devices, or VBIEDS, possibly disguised as limousines. The fears were prompted in part, say U.S. intelligence sources, by a 39-page document seized from al-Qaeda last year, titled "Rough Presentation for Gas Limo Project." It lays out a scenario for using limousines to deliver bombs equipped with cylinders of a flammable gas. <h4>Though the Inauguration is not specifically mentioned, parts of the document began circulating among senior U.S. intelligence authorities on Jan. 5. In response, barriers have been set up to block any vehicle bent on destruction.</h4>

The document is believed to have been written by Issa al-Hindi, an al-Qaeda operative captured in Britain last year. It recommends concealing bombs in limos because the vehicles "blend in" and "can transport larger payloads than sedans ... and do not require special driving skills." The limos can "access underground parking structures that do not accommodate trucks" and "have tinted windows that can hide an improvised explosive device from outside." The document calls for the deployment of three limos, each carrying 12 or more compressed-gas cylinders to create a "full fuel-air explosion by venting flammable gas into a confined space and then igniting it." It suggests painting the cylinders yellow to falsely "signify toxic gases to spread terror and chaos when emergency and haz-mat teams arrive."

Al-Qaeda used similar devices in the truck bomb that blew up the U.S. embassy in Dar es Salaam in 1998 and in a 2002 attack on a Tunisian synagogue.<h4> Shortly after the document surfaced last summer, the Department of Homeland Security began contacting limousine firms to warn of the danger. With hundreds of limos expected to jam the capital this week, authorities are on the alert. </h4>

IMO, nothing new here. If this was a new, credible threat. Jan. 5 would not
be the date when info was circulated. Just more hype to frighten the sheeple.

host · 01-17-2005, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

They should just let it happen... It is inevitable that he will be assasinated. He will fall vicitm to the Indian curse of those elected in a 00 year...

His days are numbered.

Since 1840, every U.S. president who was declared the winner of a presidential election that took place in a year that ended in a zero has either died in office
of natural causes, or has been shot. Lincoln was shot to death in 1865,
Garfield in 1881, McKinley in 1901, and Kennedy in 1963. Reagan was shot
and seriouisly wounded in 1981.

Harrison died a month after taking office in 1841, of pneumonia, Harding died
of an embolism in 1923, Franklin Roosevelt died of cerebral hemorrhage in
1945.

Reagan came closest to breaking the zero year curse. I disagree vehemently
with Bush and his policies and statements, but, like Nixon did, I hope that Bush leaves office alive and in disgrace.

Mephisto2 · 01-17-2005, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rekna

What are you talking about we don't ever argue about anything that doesn't matter!

Yes we do!

You're wrong!!!!

Mr Mephisto

filtherton · 01-17-2005, 02:26 PM

Speaking of arguing for the sake of arguing...

How many times has the terror alert level changed since the election?

sob · 01-17-2005, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto

The third comment is "What the hell? Why do American agencies love stupid acronyms?!!" VBIEDs?!! Everywhere else in the world these are known as car-bombs. Just ask any Israeli, British or Spanish soldier or policeman.

Mr Mephisto

Personally, I've always gotten a bigger laugh out of the military talking about an "entrenching tool," when they mean "shovel," and the following description:

"Writing implement, wooden, graphite-tipped."

Alternatively called a "pencil."

cyrnel · 01-17-2005, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by filtherton

Speaking of arguing for the sake of arguing...

How many times has the terror alert level changed since the election?

Meanings or colors?

sob · 01-17-2005, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Powderedmaggot

I have a few thoughts on this.

1. Why waste such huge expense on such a little man. A .223 would do the job nicely.
2. Why hasn't someone done anything like this to him yet?
3. Good luck.

Click here:

daswig · 01-17-2005, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sob

Click here:

Don't worry, I'm sure certain 2 letter agencies already know about it...

irseg · 01-17-2005, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by daswig

No, limosines are not cars, any more than SUVs, pickup trucks and vans are cars.

With the exception of the stretch Hummers and Excursions that have came out recently, yes limos are just extended-wheelbase cars. In most smaller countries (and often in the US before the 80's or so) a limo is nothing more than a large car, perhaps with a slightly longer wheelbase.

On that topic, most pathetic limo ever: http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1981/...scription.html .. I actually saw one of these in person a couple years ago.

Mephisto2 · 01-18-2005, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by sob

Click here:

Does the above constitute a constructive post?

Mr Mephisto

PS - Probably as much as this one!

01-16-2005, 07:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	We are lazy, it is easier to abv. words in our paper work. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

01-16-2005, 08:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	I like it! __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

01-16-2005, 09:17 PM	#13 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	I'm sure people never expected planes to get flown in to buildings as a means of terrorism... __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

01-17-2005, 07:09 AM	#18 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	They should just let it happen... It is inevitable that he will be assasinated. He will fall vicitm to the Indian curse of those elected in a 00 year... His days are numbered. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

01-17-2005, 08:55 AM	#19 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	ANYONE wanting to assassinate Bush would be out of their minds........ Cheney would be in charge and that alone should change their minds..... if that doesn't then the fact ANY FREEDOMS we have will be gone because Cheney will have Martial Law on us so fast it'll be pathetic. But with this known I still don't understand why Bush is spending all this money on a party. I think it's foolish. 1 we are at war and 2 it does open up a greater chance for something to happen. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

01-16-2005, 08:33 PM	#5 (permalink)
cyrnel Adequate Location: In my angry-dome.	These would be differerent. Don't believe I've heard of car bombs using fuel-air before. I don't know the science but if they manage an effective dispersal in the right setting it could be more dangerous than hard explosives, and low cost. No?

01-16-2005, 08:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
Powderedmaggot Banned	I have a few thoughts on this. 1. Why waste such huge expense on such a little man. A .223 would do the job nicely. 2. Why hasn't someone done anything like this to him yet? 3. Good luck.

01-16-2005, 08:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	A car-bomb is a bomb in a car. Sheesh... don't get hung up on it. You can call it what you want. Why not CDALLTMVBECOGPSAFOABIADERETDLGWTWFCCIEDs? Cars Designed As Large Limousine Type Motor Vehicles But Excluding Common Or General Purpose Sedan And Family Oriented Automobile Bourne Improvised Air Dispersal (Excluding Regular Explosive Type Devices) Liquid Gas (With Tinted Windows For Concealing Contents) Improvised Explosive Devices. Mr Mephisto

01-16-2005, 08:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
Rdr4evr Banned	lol powderedmaggot, only in our dreams. The Columbians unfortunately had their plans to assassinate Bush foiled several months ago. Too bad really, maybe next time, but then again, Cheney would be in charge, so really, it would be a lose-lose situation.

01-16-2005, 08:50 PM	#11 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	The Columbians wanted to assassinate Bush? Add them to the list after Syria, Iran and North Korea. Actually forget about North Korea. They can fight back... Mr Mephisto

01-16-2005, 09:27 PM	#16 (permalink)
cyrnel Adequate Location: In my angry-dome.	Whoa, wandered into the politics forum. I knew something didn't feel right.

01-17-2005, 08:55 AM	#20 (permalink)
Powderedmaggot Banned	The problem with a CDALLTMVBECOGPSAFOABIADERETDLGWTWFCCIED as opposed to a .223 is that some innocent people could get killed or damaged. I guess a CDALLTMVBECOGPSAFOABIADERETDLGWTWFCCIEDs would be good if it took out Cheney and many others as well. Note to self - don't stand close to the pres.

01-17-2005, 02:26 PM	#27 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	Speaking of arguing for the sake of arguing... How many times has the terror alert level changed since the election?